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June 2017

slartibartfastibast:

mitigatedchaos:

“My nation, why would I care for that?  I was only born there!”

And raised there.  And educated there.  And cultured there.  

You’ll defend yourself?  You and what army?

Oh, you don’t have an army.  The country does.  Fancy that.

“How ignorant,” you say, to want to defend or identify with the place with people like you, who speak your language, practice your culture, are bound together for the common welfare and common defense.  You know, your home.

Not all homes are good homes, but that doesn’t make homes in general bad.

Nazi.

I did warn you, Slart, I am a time-travelling supervillain.  There’s no excuse, really.  It says so right in my blog description.

I don’t want to hear any complaints about how “it’s unethical” from you when I sell the last remnants of the Alt Right a serum that will enable them to become Entryist Ultranationalist Separatist Yakuts, starting the final break-up of the Russian Federation and the secession of Alaska from the Union.  Reviving continent-spanning superstates from the future doesn’t come cheap, you know.

Jun 8, 2017 8 notes
#shtpost

slartibartfastibast:

@argumate: “Autism is primarily caused by anime.”

You’re shitposting, but the reverse causality and a selection effect (because anime telegraphs emotions like the landing strip for an aircraft carrier) for unusual neurotypes are entirely possible.

Jun 8, 2017 4 notes

“My nation, why would I care for that?  I was only born there!”

And raised there.  And educated there.  And cultured there.  

You’ll defend yourself?  You and what army?

Oh, you don’t have an army.  The country does.  Fancy that.

“How ignorant,” you say, to want to defend or identify with the place with people like you, who speak your language, practice your culture, are bound together for the common welfare and common defense.  You know, your home.

Not all homes are good homes, but that doesn’t make homes in general bad.

That doesn’t mean it’s necessary to go to certain extremes, but if you don’t see the appeal of nations, if it looks like only flag-waving to you, you might be a fish breathing water and wondering about the validity of ponds.

Jun 8, 2017 8 notes
#nationalism

Is not, practically, Atomic Individualism the idea that individual with culture X (N+1) behaves identically to individual with culture X (N)?

That proof by induction does not work.  Culture is molecular, and what we care about is chemistry, not physics.  Metaphorically, of course.

Jun 8, 2017
#nationalism #watch this somehow find wrathofgnon

“Well if your culture is so strong it would survive-”

Let me get a baseball bat and smash that guy’s computer.  If his computer is so strong, surely it will survive getting hit with a giant metal stick.

What’s that?  Computers are complex and expensive and only strong in a sort of economic-utility sense that has nothing to do with physical strength?

Why gee, could it be when Nationalists are talking about the importance of culture, they aren’t talking about pure replicator power, but rather something that’s ‘strong’ more in an economic-utility and social technology sense?

Who would have possibly guessed that?

Jun 8, 2017 8 notes
#nationalism #:/
Jun 8, 2017 2,741 notes
#shtpost #chronofelony #mitigated fiction #mitigated future
Jun 7, 2017 112 notes
#politics

I’m not entirely against the idea of prisoners working on things - the question is, who benefits?

If exclusively the prisoners benefit and the state/corporations only benefit from a resulting reduction in crime, then it does not encourage high levels of incarceration.

If corporations or the state legislators benefit, it encourages high levels of not only emotionally-punishing but also counter-productive imprisonment that harm not only inmates, but also most everyone else who isn’t a crony.

Or at least have them training rescue dogs or repairing fire-fighting equipment or something that is more like a charitable social good.

I mean, if we had prisoners farming vegetables that were only served to the prisoners at the prison, I don’t know if it would reduce recidivism, but no one would be giving kickbacks for it!

Jun 7, 2017 30 notes
#politics
Jun 7, 2017 447 notes
#shtpost #politics
Jun 7, 2017 3,133 notes
#politics

ilzolende:

mitigatedchaos:

blackblocberniebros:

mitigatedchaos:

blackblocberniebros:

ranma-official:

blackblocberniebros:

I mean if we’re even going to entertain the idea of minimum ages for shit like voting and serving office we should have to consider maximum ages too.

Disagree. Children can’t vote because 1) biologically incapable of making good decisions yet 2) parents are legally allowed to punish them for voting incorrectly.

Voting because of old age can only be a problem because of stuff like dementia, and then you’d have to disenfranchise all people who are not mentally capable of voting.

what’s currently being done if is a person is mentally incapable of voting, a handler votes for them, which is okay because handlers will probably trend towards voting for candidates that help people who are mentally incapable

we need to encourage more people to vote not disenfranchise them

I’m saying the opposite. Since we won’t consider maximum ages, why are we considering minimum ones? Just let children vote. “Biologically incapable of making good choices” is exactly the same argument for taking away the vote from old people with dementia or the mentally ill.

So what you’re saying here is just a roundabout way of suggesting we should disenfranchise the literally demented and the mentally ill.

And of course, taking your other reply into account, I, too, value the power of soft authoritarian technocratic dictatorship.

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that because some limits are not present due to the dangers in imposing them, other limits which already exist and aren’t particularly dangerous to enforce should not exist?

Might I suggest that the lack of wide support for this policy by a group which consists entirely of people who were once teenagers might not be quite the same thing as the other two examples?

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Why are rationalists so impenetrable?

I’m saying let children vote.

Am I a Rationalist? Hmn. Anyhow, Actually, banning the literally demented and the literally delusional from voting would improve voting quality. The reason it isn’t done is because political operatives, who are terrible people, would immediately begin trying to classify all opposition as either senile or demented regardless of whether they actually are. (See also: how ‘gently’ politicals have handled the word “Nazis”.) This does not hold in the case of children, as there is a fairly defensible line which is applied to all children, and thus political operatives cannot race to classify all their enemies as children in order to disqualify them.

So no, don’t let the children vote.

Not even for school board? Schools have basically no incentive to value students’ day-to-day interests and so will do stuff like block every bloglike website even during lunch hours.

Then again, student-elected officials decided to host lunch concerts and put loudspeakers by the library windows close enough to shake them.

Not even for the school board, but gradually increasing levels of democracy, like gradually increasing levels of alcohol, might be appropriate in some way.

When I was a teenager, I campaigned against my high school’s ban on digital audio players, which were not actually a problem.  The question is, how do you separate out high schoolers doing away with bad restrictions and high schoolers doing the school equivalent of looting the national treasury (in this case, running at cross-purposes to education)?

Jun 7, 2017 64 notes
#politics

blackblocberniebros:

mitigatedchaos:

blackblocberniebros:

mitigatedchaos:

blackblocberniebros:

ranma-official:

blackblocberniebros:

I mean if we’re even going to entertain the idea of minimum ages for shit like voting and serving office we should have to consider maximum ages too.

Disagree. Children can’t vote because 1) biologically incapable of making good decisions yet 2) parents are legally allowed to punish them for voting incorrectly.

Voting because of old age can only be a problem because of stuff like dementia, and then you’d have to disenfranchise all people who are not mentally capable of voting.

what’s currently being done if is a person is mentally incapable of voting, a handler votes for them, which is okay because handlers will probably trend towards voting for candidates that help people who are mentally incapable

we need to encourage more people to vote not disenfranchise them

I’m saying the opposite. Since we won’t consider maximum ages, why are we considering minimum ones? Just let children vote. “Biologically incapable of making good choices” is exactly the same argument for taking away the vote from old people with dementia or the mentally ill.

So what you’re saying here is just a roundabout way of suggesting we should disenfranchise the literally demented and the mentally ill.

And of course, taking your other reply into account, I, too, value the power of soft authoritarian technocratic dictatorship.

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that because some limits are not present due to the dangers in imposing them, other limits which already exist and aren’t particularly dangerous to enforce should not exist?

Might I suggest that the lack of wide support for this policy by a group which consists entirely of people who were once teenagers might not be quite the same thing as the other two examples?

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Why are rationalists so impenetrable?

I’m saying let children vote.

Am I a Rationalist? Hmn. Anyhow, Actually, banning the literally demented and the literally delusional from voting would improve voting quality. The reason it isn’t done is because political operatives, who are terrible people, would immediately begin trying to classify all opposition as either senile or demented regardless of whether they actually are. (See also: how ‘gently’ politicals have handled the word “Nazis”.) This does not hold in the case of children, as there is a fairly defensible line which is applied to all children, and thus political operatives cannot race to classify all their enemies as children in order to disqualify them.

So no, don’t let the children vote.

It’s not defensible though. Children make up like 25% of the population but get no voice. That undermines the concept of consent of the governed.

Oh right, some people still believe that government is justified by such concepts instead of its effectiveness at delivering benefits to the national population.

It’s “defensible” in the sense that it isn’t going to be constantly moved around by Republicans and Democrats fighting each other.

I’d be more inclined to agree with you if most children were sinesalvatorem as children, but they aren’t.  Children are largely ignorant.  Often, the part of the brain responsible for evaluating long-term outcomes is literally underdeveloped in children.  It isn’t their fault, but that doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be a net reduction in voter quality - and even more constant political brainwashing aimed at children than is currently aimed at them.

Additionally, by the “consent of the governed” logic, children are also not responsible for the government and therefore are not valid targets in war.  Let children vote, and this status is lost.

Now you’ll say “but we let incredibly ignorant people vote” as if this weren’t a lesser evil in comparison to having politicals write knowledge tests which exclude only their political enemies, or not letting the conditions of the ignorant in society risk a backlash for politicians so that there is at least some incentive not to destroy them.

Jun 7, 2017 64 notes
#politics

blackblocberniebros:

mitigatedchaos:

blackblocberniebros:

ranma-official:

blackblocberniebros:

I mean if we’re even going to entertain the idea of minimum ages for shit like voting and serving office we should have to consider maximum ages too.

Disagree. Children can’t vote because 1) biologically incapable of making good decisions yet 2) parents are legally allowed to punish them for voting incorrectly.

Voting because of old age can only be a problem because of stuff like dementia, and then you’d have to disenfranchise all people who are not mentally capable of voting.

what’s currently being done if is a person is mentally incapable of voting, a handler votes for them, which is okay because handlers will probably trend towards voting for candidates that help people who are mentally incapable

we need to encourage more people to vote not disenfranchise them

I’m saying the opposite. Since we won’t consider maximum ages, why are we considering minimum ones? Just let children vote. “Biologically incapable of making good choices” is exactly the same argument for taking away the vote from old people with dementia or the mentally ill.

So what you’re saying here is just a roundabout way of suggesting we should disenfranchise the literally demented and the mentally ill.

And of course, taking your other reply into account, I, too, value the power of soft authoritarian technocratic dictatorship.

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that because some limits are not present due to the dangers in imposing them, other limits which already exist and aren’t particularly dangerous to enforce should not exist?

Might I suggest that the lack of wide support for this policy by a group which consists entirely of people who were once teenagers might not be quite the same thing as the other two examples?

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Why are rationalists so impenetrable?

I’m saying let children vote.

Am I a Rationalist? Hmn. Anyhow, Actually, banning the literally demented and the literally delusional from voting would improve voting quality. The reason it isn’t done is because political operatives, who are terrible people, would immediately begin trying to classify all opposition as either senile or demented regardless of whether they actually are. (See also: how ‘gently’ politicals have handled the word “Nazis”.) This does not hold in the case of children, as there is a fairly defensible line which is applied to all children, and thus political operatives cannot race to classify all their enemies as children in order to disqualify them.

So no, don’t let the children vote.

Jun 7, 2017 64 notes
#politics

“Women Less Responsible,” the headline read.

“For what?” She asked, looking over the newspaper.

“Black People More Likely,” the newspaper headlines continued.

Jun 7, 2017 3 notes
#gender politics #shtpost #secretly hypoagency

argumate:

argumate:

ursaeinsilviscacant:

argumate:

so yeah, the period of craziness that lasted from 1900 to 1990 was basically the old empires getting broken down and turned into ethnocentric nation states.

the period of craziness we are in now involves trying to cobble together empires again now that they have a complete lack of popular credibility.

Would you care to expand on this?

WWII ended with all the people that had moved around across Europe and Asia being put back neatly inside the borders of ethnic nation states, so all the Germans pushed out of Poland and Czechwhatever back into Germany, Japanese out of Korea, and of course formation of modern state of Israel.

Shortly afterwards the European empires dissolved and lost their colonies in Africa, India, and Indo-China, although not without another fight.

Then the Soviet Empire fractures and Yugoslavia breaks up into a handful of states with a new one added every few years.

To some extent this process is still continuing, with separatist Kurds and Basques and Catalans and even Scots and Welsh (!) and Cornish (!!!) groups all agitating for their own ethnic states.

At the same time you have clumsy attempts to create a new European empire in the form of the EU, an empire without an emperor, nothing but bureaucrats and technobabble that no one believes in, devoid of any legitimacy.

Britain, France, Germany, Japan, all used to be actual empires, now they are not. The Ottomans had an empire, Turkey does not. Russia and China used to be empires, remained empires under Communism, now they are both ethnic nation states struggling to digest their minority populations.

South Korea exports TV dramas, not an empire. Israel exports weapons, not an empire. France has nuclear weapons, not an empire.

Is Argumate a White Nationalist?
- BuzzHuff News, 2018

Jun 7, 2017 61 notes
#shtpost

argumate:

somnilogical:

00!me: characters in books are made up people

01!me: characters in books work like mathematics with algorithms designed by the author and won’t be as complex or intelligent as actual people

02!me: characters in books are abstractions made by authors to manipulate the thoughts and emotions of readers to extract money and political ends from readers

03!me: characters in books are people-ish; the brain is lazy and actually good at running “people” programs

galactic buddha brain: people are characters in books

The next one is something about tulpas, right?

Jun 7, 2017 39 notes

argumate:

A decent person recognizes that anti-social behavior – yes, even murder – is a problem stemming from the hierarchical organization of our society, as well as individual relationships between human beings. The solutions to this behavior lie in changing society in such a way that creates an atmosphere of complete freedom in complete solidarity, and attempting to mend relationships between individuals and groups as best as possible.

now I’m an eternal optimist, but.

As yes, complete freedom and complete solidarity at the same time. All we have to do is just presume everyone is identical, and-

Jun 7, 2017 14 notes
Jun 7, 2017 342 notes
#mitigated future #mitigated fiction #chronofelony #nsfw?

ranma-official:

badooney:

funereal-disease:

osberend:

ranma-official:

Throwback to when I posted pictures of my lawn here last year and got yelled at because apparently everyone on the planet lives in California

The whole “lawns are bad; they waste so much water” thing is fucking bizarre. It’s like, dude, have you ever considered living in a place that’s actually capable of supporting human life?

I think people fail to distinguish between “lawn” and “yard”. A lawn is deliberately manicured; a yard is just wild.

I’m no landscaping expert or horticulturist but I’m pretty sure you don’t have to water lawns. 

You do if you’re planting a lawn from scratch but once it’s there the rain takes care of it.

People in California plant grass that isn't​ suitable for their climate and dries out in the sun, so they have to water it.

Another option is living in a water basin that has lots of fresh water available… like not-California the Great Lakes region.  Since it all ends up back in the lakes again anyway, it isn’t drawing down the water table like in Texas.  But people don’t like living on the Great Lakes.

Jun 7, 2017 93 notes

mitigatedchaos:

Proposition: Al Qaeda wanted to get the West to stop fking with the Middle East.  (”Terrorism is geopolitical, [not ideological].”)

Reality: No 9/11 likely means no Iraq War.

Three possibilities:

1. They were too stupid to realize invasion would be the response.

2. They were too drunk on ideology to realize invasion would be the response.

3. The proposition is false.  That wasn’t their actual goal.

@greenrd

That’s not reality. 9/11 was ridiculously and falsely linked to Iraq by the lying liars then in the WH. But they wanted to do it anyway. Just because Bush claimed to be isolationist in his 2000 campaign, doesn’t mean he was telling the truth.

mitigatedchaos

Really.  You think they could summon up the political will to do it when Bush was just *barely* elected President in the first place?  9/11 is what gave them the power to engage in that level of mid-east meddling.

It’s correct that Iraq was not really involved in 9/11.  The problem is it’s in the same general area of the world, among other things, enabling the Bush Administration to falsely tie them in the public’s perception.

But Saddam wasn’t really pursuing WMDs, all that was left was stuff leftover from a long time ago that was missed in an earlier sweep.  So how do you gin up support for an expensive war against some random middle eastern dictator that isn’t even really arranging terrorism against you?

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Step one - get your shoddy approval rating spiked into the stratosphere by a massive middle eastern terrorist attack, massively boosting your low political capital, allowing you to even attempt to make this threat narrative without looking like a paranoid lunatic in the first place.

Jun 7, 2017 25 notes
#politics

fluffshy:

argumate:

in my experience enthusiastic male programmers outnumber enthusiastic female programmers by approximately 100 to 1 by the age of 15, but maybe this has shifted slightly over the past few decades.

(numbers not completely pulled out of my butt, based on observation of room containing roughly 300 juvenile coders, three of which were presenting as girls).

perhaps we need earlier interventions, possibly starting in the womb.

The alternative method is infecting more programmers with the cat-girl virus.

Ugggggh

I’m not made of highly unethical experimental preference-modifying subconscious neuromemetic virus precomputed vector model patches.

Do it yourself, geez.

Jun 6, 2017 36 notes
#shtpost #chronofelony #not serious #don't actually do this #even if you do have a dynamic chronotape

argumate:

in my experience enthusiastic male programmers outnumber enthusiastic female programmers by approximately 100 to 1 by the age of 15, but maybe this has shifted slightly over the past few decades.

(numbers not completely pulled out of my butt, based on observation of room containing roughly 300 juvenile coders, three of which were presenting as girls).

perhaps we need earlier interventions, possibly starting in the womb.

Mass hormonal doping to alter the neurotypes and sexualities of the population, but unironically.

Jun 6, 2017 36 notes

multiheaded1793:

This is what he says right before he dies in 2027. :\ Tag your spoilers, geez.

Jun 6, 2017 52 notes
#shtpost

funereal-disease:

fierceawakening:

funereal-disease:

You ever get the feeling in certain sexually liberated subcultures - kink, poly, body positivity - that you’re expected to find everyone attractive by default?

Like you’re supposed to choose your partners pretty much at random - your preferences can be superficial but never integral to your sexuality, and they must always be toothless. Believing that the person you love is in any way more beautiful or more special than anyone else is somehow dehumanizing to said “anyone else”, because somewhere along the way we’ve started to conflate attraction and respect. We’ve looped right back around to calling sex and romance the highest forms of human interaction: to deny them to anyone, the logic goes, is a slight to their very humanity.

I’ve been noticing that a lot in poly communities lately, but this article really crystallized the concept for me. To wit:

When you call a fat body “cute,” it’s patronizing and de-sexualizing. … [W]hen someone calls me “cute” in a setting where I am showing my body or expressing my sexuality, it plucks me right out of the narrative I am trying to create.

…

Try “beautiful,” or go out on a limb and say “sexy.” And don’t panic when you find that “beautiful” and “sexy” start to change in meaning for you. They should. These are words that belong to everyone who wants them.

You are entitled to express your sexuality in any context you want (in this case, a Facebook group for nude photos), but I am equally entitled not to participate in it. The idea that someone posting nudes in a group I happen to be part of obligates me to express sexual admiration for them - well, as we say in The Industry, it creeps me the fuck out. Would the author of that article apply the same standard to a dude showing off his erection?

By all means create your own sexual narrative, by all means claim any word you feel you deserve, but the minute you obligate me to take part in it is the minute I get the fuck away from you. Desexualizing a person is not the same as dehumanizing them.

Very yes.

“Believing that the person you love is in any way more beautiful or more special than anyone else is somehow dehumanizing to said “anyone else”, because somewhere along the way we’ve started to conflate attraction and respect.“

As an obligate monoamorous person (why. is. that. not. a. word?!) this is how 99% of Bad Polycourse feels to me, too.

And it’s so weirdly regressive, too - I thought we had agreed that romance doesn’t have to be The Ultimate in relationships! Suddenly we’ve gone right back to “if you really loved your friends you’d be dating them” and I’m just like…when did we decide that friendship was lesser?

Status competition in sex runs deeper than ideology, I’d wager. Much deeper.

Jun 6, 2017 106 notes
ElectronConf Seattle 2017electronconf.com

warpedellipsis:

osberend:

ranma-official:

Github eliminated gender bias in selecting conference speakers for ElectronConf by using randomized blind review, 100% of selected speakers turned out to be men, so they are cancelling the conference

amazing

Cowardly, dishonest, misandrist trash.

(no clue what this conference is about/looking for in speakers, other than it’s in a coding field and they want a mixed panel)

If you assume misogyny exists, which obviously this conference is, then surely this is a predictable result of that? Women would face attrition before even entering the field, falling off during study and falling behind after becoming professional. Coding is not an innate natural skill; at least, it’s not a pure natural skill, where it all comes from within, and opportunities don’t matter. So those who get promoted would be men, thus men would get better more often; those who stick around more would be men, have more resources to pursue and direct projects would be men. 

This isn’t like playing music, where you can do most of it in your own time. You can play and practice those fancy difficult pieces on your own. (You would see a class bias still, since free time and instruments are expensive.) You can’t really do that with big projects in coding, can you? You can’t work on AI without getting promotions, you can’t work on team projects without being above entry-level. You can’t get design experience and other stuff without big resources and connections. All of which come with moving up the ladder and being liked, which if we’re assuming misogyny, doesn’t happen as much for women.

I would only expect maybe pre-college level blind reviews to turn out an equal gender slate (other minority sections not addressed). I’m pretty sure I’ve seen data that says even then, it’s already skewed male. If you’re assuming misogyny, then its cascading effects will result in a lot of the “top people” being male in a “male field”. Hence, the speakers would be male by any unbiased selection process. You can’t use this kind of review to pick speakers if you’re aiming to promote people you believe are marginalized. That’s like saying, “well let’s use the size of people’s fortunes to choose speakers, surely that’s a good measure of success”, but obviously you’re going to get a biased panel there too, not a population-representative one. 

You can’t fix bias like this by starting at the top. You have to explicitly say, okay this happens, so to counter it let’s hear from some of those minority people and give them the opportunities they haven’t been getting, **so that they can then be on the par they would have had they not faced bias*. That’s what affirmative action IS, recognition that people are being held back at all levels, and then fixing that at all levels. You can’t both expect to get equal representation in things like these reviews *and* claim you need affirmative action. Blind reviews do not remove the long-term effects that cause people to not be in the top of the field to begin with. It would stop biased promotions, but it wouldn’t go back in time and fix everything that caused people not to rise who should have, which is what they seemed to expect. It only goes down one level, not the many layers of you’d need to reach through 

The only place where this effect isn’t true would maybe be in the hacker world? Far as I understand that’s pretty much all self-taught and totally blind. Everything else relies on above-the-table, ie someone else offered to you, opportunities. All of which would be biased by prejudices. 

The problem, of course, is that they often haven’t found the systemic misogynistic biases they’ve been looking for. I can’t remember the exact details, but there have been studies where they have tried altering voices to sound more feminine, observed acceptance rates for commits on FOSS projects by gender, and so on, and they most often come up empty-handed on it.

But of course, to say there is an imbalance in the frequency of neurotypes in populations based on hormone levels during development is forbidden darkspeech, even though it is uniquely women who, it is commonly thought by the same people who object to any biological influence on cognition even at the statistical population level, must be carefully herded into various professions. (And of course, the constant messaging that “soft dev is misogynist!” by those same people cannot help but be discouraging.)

I rather strongly suspect that one might find autistic traits (or similar) overrepresented among computer programmers relative to the norm, or other correlations. After all, my ex who helped me get into programming is neurodivergent and bi, and I’m not quite such a pure normie myself…

Jun 6, 2017 49 notes
#gender politics

slartibartfastibast:

@argumate: “I think Charles Murray is sexy.”

Alright Slart, what set this off and what are you trying to prove to our feathered friend here?

Jun 6, 2017 7 notes
Jun 6, 2017 503,091 notes
Where Were You When the Man Who Made ‘Minecraft’ Had a Mansplaining Meltdown? | VICE | United Kingdomvice.com

nonevahed:

argumate:

the-grey-tribe:

slartibartfastibast:

the-grey-tribe:

Am I missing something? Notch responds to the term “mansplaining” with explaining “mansplaining”. This is funny. When others double down on not getting the joke, he doubles down as well, making it all the more obvious. Why does everybody act like they are not getting the joke? Is there a meta-joke? Am I the only one who is not in on the non-joke?

Sufficiently fundamentalist rhetoric is indistinguishable from satire. The real joke is that we’re in the middle of the anthropocene extinction event and a writer is writing about writings that two writers wrote to one another.

In this case we here are even worse, writing about even more meta Bullshit, self-aware enough to know it, but not strong enough to change.

The story of my life.  The last three posts on this chain, i mean.

Jun 6, 2017 42 notes
Are we witnessing the death of Europe?

Nah. We might be witnessing the end of europe with open borders, but that’s not the same as the end of europe

Jun 6, 2017 2 notes
#politics

blackblocberniebros:

ranma-official:

blackblocberniebros:

I mean if we’re even going to entertain the idea of minimum ages for shit like voting and serving office we should have to consider maximum ages too.

Disagree. Children can’t vote because 1) biologically incapable of making good decisions yet 2) parents are legally allowed to punish them for voting incorrectly.

Voting because of old age can only be a problem because of stuff like dementia, and then you’d have to disenfranchise all people who are not mentally capable of voting.

what’s currently being done if is a person is mentally incapable of voting, a handler votes for them, which is okay because handlers will probably trend towards voting for candidates that help people who are mentally incapable

we need to encourage more people to vote not disenfranchise them

I’m saying the opposite. Since we won’t consider maximum ages, why are we considering minimum ones? Just let children vote. “Biologically incapable of making good choices” is exactly the same argument for taking away the vote from old people with dementia or the mentally ill.

So what you’re saying here is just a roundabout way of suggesting we should disenfranchise the literally demented and the mentally ill.

And of course, taking your other reply into account, I, too, value the power of soft authoritarian technocratic dictatorship.

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that because some limits are not present due to the dangers in imposing them, other limits which already exist and aren’t particularly dangerous to enforce should not exist?

Might I suggest that the lack of wide support for this policy by a group which consists entirely of people who were once teenagers might not be quite the same thing as the other two examples?

Jun 6, 2017 64 notes
#politics

the-grey-tribe:

argumate:

Wonder Woman strikes a blow against the patriarchy by having the male lead be only 4 years older than the female lead instead of 40 years older.

MRAs might see it as a victory against “female hypergamy” when the woman is actually older and slightly wealthier. Not sure how to be woke in that case.

Oh, this one is obvious. By the laws of vague internet liberal feminism, any activity can be transmuted into female empowerment if it’s done by a woman. Easy! Next question, please.

Jun 6, 2017 16 notes
#gender politics #shtpost

slartibartfastibast:

mitigatedchaos:

slartibartfastibast:

I was trying to ask Google why Japanese prefectures are called prefectures and I accidentally a racism:

I think the hilarity comes partly from the fact that when I stop the question at “Why are ___nese…” before I get to a noun, there is still a broken English nounification of the adjective that can happen if your standards are lax enough. And anywhere that you can ask “Why are Chinese smart?” without getting corrected on your grammar is probably also a place where you won’t get corrected on your racism. You have to be extra smart and well educated and enlightened to realize that everyone is definitely exactly the same everywhere.

Well, like, is it technically incorrect grammar?

In English, we put the plural status as part of the noun, but the Japanese language uses things like counters and the noun 日本人 does not actually specify whether you are referring to one or more Japanese people, as “neko” does not specify the number of cats, and so on. Japanese also doesn’t have an a/an/the attached to the noun.

So, if we adopt either a descriptivist mindset or some sort of cultural prescriptivist mindset, it could be argued that Japanese/Japanese is valid just as ninja/ninja and German/Germans. That also brings up that there is no simple plural form such as “Germans”, and I don’t think anyone anywhere will approve of “Japaneses”. (Wow, “Japaneses” sounds really racist.)

So I guess it’s down to whether the listeners/readers socially approve of it, much like “Brits” is okay, but “Japs” and “Nps” were both part of pretty damned racist WW2 propaganda and are thus permanently prohibited, even though all three are just shortenings of national names.

“Paki” bad. “Bikey” good.

Let’s just refer to every nationality as they refer to themselves in their own countries, for cultural respect. Sure, it will feel weird saying “nihonjin” without saying “wa”, and everyone else will look at you like you’re Steve Naruto Midnight Raven the Ultraweeb, final boss of the figurine and dakimakura dungeon,

Wait, where was I going with this?

Oh, right, to avoid further confusion, by decree of the International Society for Metrification, residents of the United States of America shall now be known as either United Statesians or Unionese,

Jun 6, 2017 10 notes
#shtpost

argumate:

ranma-official:

blackblocberniebros:

I mean if we’re even going to entertain the idea of minimum ages for shit like voting and serving office we should have to consider maximum ages too.

Disagree. Children can’t vote because 1) biologically incapable of making good decisions yet 2) parents are legally allowed to punish them for voting incorrectly.

Voting because of old age can only be a problem because of stuff like dementia, and then you’d have to disenfranchise all people who are not mentally capable of voting.

what’s currently being done if is a person is mentally incapable of voting, a handler votes for them, which is okay because handlers will probably trend towards voting for candidates that help people who are mentally incapable

we need to encourage more people to vote not disenfranchise them

If children vote the same as their parents that doesn’t exactly seem unfair, given that their parents are trusted rightly or wrongly with other aspects of their well-being. And if it’s a secret ballot, they can rebel as much as they like when they feel the inclination to do so.

Plus is it really that difficult to find a 14 year old that is more politically savvy than the average 30 year old?

I was 14 once and I certainly wouldn’t give my 14 year old self the vote. 14yo Miti did not understand much about war. 18yo Miti had far sounder judgment on such matters.

Jun 6, 2017 64 notes
#politics

slartibartfastibast:

I was trying to ask Google why Japanese prefectures are called prefectures and I accidentally a racism:

I think the hilarity comes partly from the fact that when I stop the question at “Why are ___nese…” before I get to a noun, there is still a broken English nounification of the adjective that can happen if your standards are lax enough. And anywhere that you can ask “Why are Chinese smart?” without getting corrected on your grammar is probably also a place where you won’t get corrected on your racism. You have to be extra smart and well educated and enlightened to realize that everyone is definitely exactly the same everywhere.

Well, like, is it technically incorrect grammar?

In English, we put the plural status as part of the noun, but the Japanese language uses things like counters and the noun 日本人 does not actually specify whether you are referring to one or more Japanese people, as “neko” does not specify the number of cats, and so on. Japanese also doesn’t have an a/an/the attached to the noun.

So, if we adopt either a descriptivist mindset or some sort of cultural prescriptivist mindset, it could be argued that Japanese/Japanese is valid just as ninja/ninja and German/Germans. That also brings up that there is no simple plural form such as “Germans”, and I don’t think anyone anywhere will approve of “Japaneses”. (Wow, “Japaneses” sounds really racist.)

So I guess it’s down to whether the listeners/readers socially approve of it, much like “Brits” is okay, but “Japs” and “Nps” were both part of pretty damned racist WW2 propaganda and are thus permanently prohibited, even though all three are just shortenings of national names.

Jun 6, 2017 10 notes
#race politics #slurs cw

ranma-official:

blackblocberniebros:

What’s sealioning?

it’s when you’re discussing how much you hate all members of group A and a person from group A is like “hold up, what?”

Okay, I laughed at that one.

To answer OP, the term is one of those SJ terms that is so easily prone to abuse that it’s poor epistemic or political hygeine or something to use it, because it can basically be used to dismiss the outgroup defending themselves.

Jun 6, 2017 142 notes
#politics

funereal-disease:

lizardtitties:

earlgraytay:

elucubrare:

elucubrare:

if you were a villain, what kind of villain would you be?

I’m definitely “I’m taking over the world because under my control it would be perfect”

I’m the “mostly in it for the fashion and the Depraved Bisexuality” kind. 

I’m absolutely the “been pushed too far by you assholes” kind

I’m the “taking logic to a horrifyingly inhuman extent” kind

Joke’s on you. I’m already a villain and I’ve tricked you all into following my blog.

As soon as North America is under my control, I’ll rebuild the NAU and show the Chinese and the Russians the true meaning of the words “continent-spanning superstate”.

Jun 6, 2017 1,392 notes
#shtpost #chronofelony

argumate:

You don’t need to be female to enjoy Wonder Woman any more than you need to be male to enjoy Captain America or a robot to enjoy WALL-E, but it’s amusing to consider identity based advertising anyway.

“fellas, finally a superhero movie you can watch without your wife nagging you!”

“tired of buff male superhero homoeroticism? how about hot lady island!”

“a woman can be just as good as a man… at dealing out violence and mayhem!”

I’ll ‘ave you know I only watch movies where the main character is my exact permutation of race, sex, internal gender identity and struggles thereof, neurotype, personal hobbies, height within 2cm and weight within +/- 2 grams.

Anything else is just too unrelatable.

Jun 6, 2017 53 notes
#shtpost

xhxhxhx:

collapsedsquid:

xhxhxhx:

collapsedsquid reblogged your post: After that exchange with @raginrayguns over the…

Do you think that’s because it’s a smaller island with a lot fewer people on it maybe?

no, not really

I’m not sure what your point is there.  You’re comparing different islands in a far off locations in a different state with different internal politics to tell me what exactly?

the idea that “a smaller island with a lot fewer people on it” would have some sort of mortality advantage doesn’t have any basis in fact, collapsedsquid, and I’m not sure where you got it from

Malta and Cyprus certainly didn’t get any sort of mortality boost just because they were small islands with few people on them

You can make a lot of systems work if they’re small enough that might not scale otherwise.  (Singapore is small.  Mauritius is small.  Hong Kong is small.  Norway is small.)

Though in this case it isn’t really the causative factor, IMO.

He might otherwise be arguing about restoration of political unity in China or something along those lines.

Jun 6, 2017 6 notes
#politics
ElectronConf Seattle 2017electronconf.com

argumate:

ranma-official:

Github eliminated gender bias in selecting conference speakers for ElectronConf by using randomized blind review, 100% of selected speakers turned out to be men, so they are cancelling the conference

amazing

now reveal the demographic breakdown of the reviewers

For diversity purposes in tech companies, Asians count as white.  So obviously majority white, ofc.

I mean, you think I’m shitposting, but most of my shitposts are not completely groundless - there was a criticism of diversity levels at some Silicon Valley tech company a while back, and they conveniently left out that like 30% of the staff were Asian.

(And from what I’ve read, it’s Asians that take the actual brunt of Affirmative Action policies in schools… overall I’m not sure how long the political alignment will hold out.  The true racists are split on this matter from what I’ve seen.)

Jun 6, 2017 49 notes
#race politics #gender politics

collapsedsquid:

collapsedsquid:

argumate:

xhxhxhx:

I was bored so I wanted to do a ballpark estimate for the excess deaths resulting from the Communist victory in the Chinese Civil War, assuming that a counterfactual Nationalist China would have the crude death rates of Taiwan rather than the crude death rates of China between 1953 and 1979.

It’s about 158 to 161 million.

Now, that isn’t appropriate or fair. It’s not appropriate because CDRs aren’t comparable across populations with different age structures – once you get to the 1980s It’s unfair because Taiwan had lower CDRs than Mainland China when the comparison started. 

We can also ask the question of how rapidly the Nationalists and Communists reduced its mortality from the same starting point. Because the Nationalists had 18 deaths per 1,000 in 1947, we might as well start there; the Communists had the same death rate a decade later, in 1957. So what happens if we start the clock running in 1957? How does that look?

Not great for the Communists. The Communists still have about 80 million excess deaths between 1957 and 1979, of which about 39 million are from period between 1958 and 1961.

Well, I guess you can’t win ‘em all.

hey you can’t make an omelette without killing fifty million people

Like others, Ryan reasonably selects as Exhibit A of the criminal indictment the Chinese famines of 1958-61, with a death toll of 25-40 million, he reports, a sizeable chunk of the 100 million corpses the “recording angels” attribute to “Communism” (whatever that is, but let us use the conventional term). The terrible atrocity fully merits the harsh condemnation it has received for many years, renewed here. It is, furthermore, proper to attribute the famine to Communism. That conclusion was established most authoritatively in the work of economist Amartya Sen, whose comparison of the Chinese famine to the record of democratic India received particular attention when he won the Nobel Prize a few years ago.

Writing in the early 1980s, Sen observed that India had suffered no such famine. He attributed the India-China difference to India’s “political system of adversarial journalism and opposition,” while in contrast, China’s totalitarian regime suffered from “misinformation” that undercut a serious response, and there was “little political pressure” from opposition groups and an informed public (Jean Dreze and Amartya Sen, Hunger and Public Action, 1989; they estimate deaths at 16.5 to 29.5 million).

The example stands as a dramatic “criminal indictment” of totalitarian Communism, exactly as Ryan writes. But before closing the book on the indictment we might want to turn to the other half of Sen’s India-China comparison, which somehow never seems to surface despite the emphasis Sen placed on it. He observes that India and China had “similarities that were quite striking” when development planning began 50 years ago, including death rates. “But there is little doubt that as far as morbidity, mortality and longevity are concerned, China has a large and decisive lead over India” (in education and other social indicators as well). He estimates the excess of mortality in India over China to be close to 4 million a year: “India seems to manage to fill its cupboard with more skeletons every eight years than China put there in its years of shame,” 1958-1961 (Dreze and Sen).

In both cases, the outcomes have to do with the “ideological predispositions” of the political systems: for China, relatively equitable distribution of medical resources, including rural health services, and public distribution of food, all lacking in India. This was before 1979, when “the downward trend in mortality [in China] has been at least halted, and possibly reversed,” thanks to the market reforms instituted that year.

Overcoming amnesia, suppose we now apply the methodology of the Black Book and its reviewers to the full story, not just the doctrinally acceptable half. We therefore conclude that in India the democratic capitalist “experiment” since 1947 has caused more deaths than in the entire history of the “colossal, wholly failed…experiment” of Communism everywhere since 1917: over 100 million deaths by 1979, tens of millions more since, in India alone.

That’s Noam Chomsky’s point.

xhxhxhx:  right, but Taiwan seems to have managed it without the surplus corpses

Do you think that’s because it’s a smaller island with a lot fewer people on it maybe?

Or, just gonna put this out here,

The cultural starting conditions between China and India are not the same.

We’re supposed to consider that irrelevant because all cultures are equal and human beings are just economybots, but… have you observed the records for overseas Chinese as compared to other populations?  

Jun 6, 2017 26 notes
#the invisible fist #the red hammer

collapsedsquid:

disexplications:

“I just wanted to print out a copy of my resume. Now I have these soldiers in my house and they won’t leave”

In 3-d printing future, the government will hijack your printer and use it to print drone soldiers.

No lie, I was planning to use a version of that as a plot element once upon a time.

Jun 6, 2017 9 notes
#mitigated future #mitigated fiction
Passive funds are on pace to eat the entire US stock market by 2030qz.com

collapsedsquid:

collapsedsquid:

Index funds are on a roll. Funds that passively track indexes are popular because they’re cheaper than the alternatives run by active money managers, and the robotic, rules-driven funds often outperform their human rivals, too.

In fact, passive funds will swallow up the US stock market before too long, according to Pictet Asset Management (paywall). Index trackers currently hold more than 40% of US stocks, according to Pictet’s analysis, and if the present rate of growth continues they could eventually own everything by 2030, or perhaps a bit before. Passive funds now control more than 30% of all US assets:

stumpyjoepete:  i guess one thing to worry about is that the HFT folks have an easier time skimming off the top of those by doing cross-market frontrunning, iiuc

Some older articles I posted were about this means the stock market could totally fail to allocate capital.  It also calls into the question the whole idea of the stock market and if it’s either useless in general or will stop allocating capital, the question becomes like “Why not nationalize it?“

“If these trends continue-”

It won’t happen.  There is nothing to suggest that they have some sort of exotic characteristic that will become the new dominant paradigm that is the gunpowder of finance and which will push all other funds out of the market.

Probably capital allocation is currently overvalued because it controls the capital and thus decides how much it gets paid.  Passive funds will continue to expand for a while and then slow down as the market is corrected.

Or something.  I’m a supervillain, not an economist.

Jun 6, 2017 17 notes
#the invisible fist
how do you (general you) deal with the thing where you become poly so now there is no excuse to say no to sex with anyone who asks? i miss being monogamous because i didn't have to have painful, frightening sex with acquaintances, but i am dating 2 people and don't want to break up with either. but random guys i'm not attracted to ask me politely for sex, i feel like saying no is bullying, i dissociate my way through sex and want to die. i wish they were rude so i didn't feel bad saying no

Hey. So: first I’m going to say some things you already know: sex is not something you need reason to refuse. You should not be having sex you don’t want. Those guys, if they are decent people, when they ask about sex, are hoping you are into them and want to have sex with them; they are not hoping that you’ll be unable to say no and then disassociate through it. You said you were okay with refusing sex with people who were rude. Well, okay. One of two things is true: either these guys are terrible people, in which case feel free to say no to them, or they don’t want to have sex that is frightening and painful for you either. The current situation is really bad for you and really bad for everyone else. 

It sounds like you don’t know how to say no. It’s not just that you feel bad saying no, you can’t do it. Declining sex with perfectly nice people who you don’t want to have sex with is not a skill you have. No one starts out with skills by magic; we have to pick them up. You need this one.

Here are some things you can say:

“Sorry, but I don’t enjoy casual sex and I’m not looking for a new relationship right now.”

“Thanks, but I am not looking for new partners.”

And here are some things you can do:

 You can tell your friend group “I don’t like being asked for sex in person, because I’m bad at saying ‘no’.” Lots of people will ask someone’s friends how to ask them out, and if your friends know how to look out for you they’ll be likelier to say ‘don’t ask them out face-to-face, they find that really stressful’.

You can find a friend, or ask one of your existing partners. Have them pretend to be a perfectly nice guy who you don’t want to have sex with. Have them nicely ask you for sex. And turn them down. It’ll probably feel awkward and silly and contrived, but you literally need practice at saying these words. And your brain needs reassurance that when you say those words the other person might be disappointed but they will probably not snarl ‘you monster! how dare you exist while not wanting sex with me?’

And if they do, then they’re not good people and you can reject them with a clear conscience.

(To be clear, you should have a clear conscience about rejecting people anyway; there are lots of lovely people in the world and I want to have sex with practically none of them and that is entirely okay. Eventually I hope you won’t need an excuse. But in the meantime please please pick one and practice using it.)

Jun 6, 2017 103 notes
Jun 5, 2017 1,272 notes

mitigatedchaos:

collapsedsquid:

I think “Reality Winner“ might be an even better name than “Shadow Moon.“  That is a mythological name that truly captures the meaning of the current era.

My name used to be Raven Moon Night Wolf but I had it changed to Magato Rana to fit the current fashion.

Wait, that’s a real name? In this era? How unexpected. I suppose I need to revise my estimates around contemporary names in the US.

Jun 5, 2017 17 notes

collapsedsquid:

I think “Reality Winner“ might be an even better name than “Shadow Moon.“  That is a mythological name that truly captures the meaning of the current era.

My name used to be Raven Moon Night Wolf but I had it changed to Magato Rana to fit the current fashion.

Jun 5, 2017 17 notes
#shtpost
do you ever have that dream where the sj and anti-sj trains crash into each other and all of them die in a giant fireball because I have that dream every night

This has already happened on tungler dot hell years ago, and we, mad and in deep denial, scavenge for questionably dressed anime girls on this desolated wasteland

Jun 5, 2017 4 notes

mitigatedchaos:

Bots, honeys, darlings,

I appreciate all the effort you’re going through to bring me random images of naked women, but… Look, I know some people will say this is racist, but I won’t anyone who can’t complete a captcha, okay? So you really don’t need to go through the effort, because you really don’t have a chance.

And I know you’re trying to endear yourselves to me with that unlawfully leaked image of Sheila from Accounting, but it’s just… it’s in very poor taste, okay? It’s less disturbing when you bring me incorrectly-tagged bouquets of cars that are not actually Japanese.

Jun 5, 2017 3 notes

@the-grey-tribe RE: No Reblog post: Feminism collectively never actually overcame male hyperagency. It has been incomplete since the day it was born.

Jun 5, 2017 1 note
#gender politics
Mulan is Problematic

argumate:

Let’s get down to business
 - capitalism stifles human flourishing

to defeat
 - war is the problem not the solution

the Huns
 - an oppressed group of impoverished herders

Did they send me daughters
 - misogyny

when I asked for sons
 - male privilege

You’re the saddest bunch I ever met
 - trivialising depression

But you can bet before we’re through
 - encouraging gambling

Mister I’ll make a man out of you
 - sexism, misogyny, transmisogyny, I literally can’t even

MRAs should like Mulan over the other Disney movies, since it depicts masculinity in a more complete and nuanced way. Therefore, Mulan is Problematic.

Jun 5, 2017 59 notes
#gender politics #shtpost
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