if i hear another pseudo-intellectual white boy say “overpopulation” i s2g
like alright malthus if the population reaches a billion we’ll all starve we heard you in 1798
If I recall correctly, as the number of children per household declines, the amount of parental investment in each child increases along with educational attainment and development.
In other words, aside from other matters (which are not trivial), not having so many children might contribute to the economic development of underdeveloped areas, and thus their ability to have nice things like modern hospitals. Are you against this?
As I told the fool mutant-aesthetic, his talk of a domestic insurrection is the empty rhetoric of a subnormal piss-streaked goon. How many divisions does "No" Dick Spencer have? Do you believe the US Army would join a Slaver's Rebellion Dignity Rebellion? This "insurrection" of a few dozen pasty fat white men could be stopped by four bored black cops but would be crushed mercilessly by a hundred times its number in feds.
You don’t need to be big enough to launch an actual civil war in order to cause significant economic damage and psychic panic, particularly in a developed nation where people aren’t used to infrastructure disruptions.
Maybe you lot should quit trying to reawaken white racial consciousness and just put all those statues into museums and rename the parks after other suitable historical figures (pre civil war ones might be a good choice), not that the statues are really the chief cause, they’re just a point of friction for it to surface.
Either give up on collective intergenerational ethnic justice, or give up on shifting the demographics. You can’t have both and not get a rise in ethnonationalism, seeing as it involves yelling “you are [ethnicity]! You are not allowed to identify as anything other than [ethnicity]!”
Supposedly you guys were all-powerful before, but you got an orange internet meme elected President as backlash which you lot said wouldn’t happen, and at this rate he may well be re-elected.
As I told the fool mutant-aesthetic, his talk of a domestic insurrection is the empty rhetoric of a subnormal piss-streaked goon. How many divisions does "No" Dick Spencer have? Do you believe the US Army would join a Slaver's Rebellion Dignity Rebellion? This "insurrection" of a few dozen pasty fat white men could be stopped by four bored black cops but would be crushed mercilessly by a hundred times its number in feds.
You don’t need to be big enough to launch an actual civil war in order to cause significant economic damage and psychic panic, particularly in a developed nation where people aren’t used to infrastructure disruptions.
Maybe you lot should quit trying to reawaken white racial consciousness and just put all those statues into museums and rename the parks after other suitable historical figures (pre civil war ones might be a good choice), not that the statues are really the chief cause, they’re just a point of friction for it to surface.
Either give up on collective intergenerational ethnic justice, or give up on shifting the demographics. You can’t have both and not get a rise in ethnonationalism, seeing as it involves yelling “you are [ethnicity]! You are not allowed to identify as anything other than [ethnicity]!”
Supposedly you guys were all-powerful before, but you got an orange internet meme elected President as backlash which you lot said wouldn’t happen, and at this rate he may well be re-elected.
I actually wonder how much of the uptick in political extremism (between the alt-right and the antifa types) is the internet tough guy ethos and troll culture leaking into the real world.
People wanting to LARP WW2 (and the U.S civil war) to look badass, while seeming to forget the part where millions died.
There’s some of that but I think it’s more about European politics leaking into the US through the Internet
Democratic socialist politics and antifa specifically is from Europe
Ethno-nationalist politics and Nazi street fighting specifically is from Europe
It’s shocking because it doesn’t belong here and it doesn’t make sense in America where there’s no chance of either movement gaining enough political traction to achieve their goals and just about everybody involved in serious street violence gets arrested and has their life ruined, or gets shot
And I’ve seen a lot of Europeans get bizarrely invested in extremely America-centric issues as well, it’s not just one-sided
It’s worth noting that Richard Spencer almost exclusively gets his ideas from European thinkers like Benoist and Dugin. He more or less shuns Moldbug, the only major contemporary American unorthodox right-wing intellectual around. So I think that theory of europeanization may hold some merit.
This absolutely matches what I’ve observed in Facebook groups irt the far Right. I actually flat out told a friend the other day, “You know that [group] is an Alt-right group, right? The use of the word “Europa” is a tell.“
However, I haven’t seen anywhere close to the same amount of European influence in far Left circles. If anything, they’re getting cues from South America, not Europe, although they of course enjoy accounts of street brawls in Greece.
You have far Right Europeans getting far Right Americans fired up about issues the Americans don’t really have, and vise versa, so they’re both thinking they’re facing ALL of the issues faced by both the EU states AND the United States.
Maybe we need to get all of the Europeans to quit using English. This Internet thing is getting out of hand.
Yeah, that’s definitely not what I said. I’m just really wondering how to defend yourself from piss balloons. My area is full of particularly nasty antifas and it may be useful to know what to do about it if I find myself organizing an IRL political event at some point.
If there really is no way to counter it then they could shut down all public political opposition just by drowning it in enough bodily fluids. I really don’t want that to be how the last vestiges of free expression in America are destroyed.
raincoats, or just act like you enjoy it a little bit too much.
or just schedule your event for the same day as the Nazis but in a different city, let them take the piss balloons on your behalf.
Bring your own fire hoses.
Sure, the cost of a truck with a water tank will put a dent in the rally’s expenses, but sadoeconomist is an ancap so he surely must understand the idea of the people being responsible for their own sanitation.
There is no right to complain about your biohazardous materials getting washed away. If water gets on the antifas in the process of washing the piss bottles into the gutters, well it’s far more sanitary than the liquids they were throwing.
Yes, turning all protests into super soaker festivals isn’t the greatest, but it’s better than the alternative, as long as the water pressure isn’t too high. And it better be, because you’re going to have to hose down your own guys to keep them clean.
No injuries. I’m specifically talking about just washing people.
Of course, if I were in charge of the city, I’d install high-resolution cameras before the rally, get flying camera drones too, ban face-covering masks for the rally, and then fine every last one of those people $2,500 for malicious biohazardous littering (per piss-bottle) and all the mask-wearers, too.
Me: Has actually been in skype calls and IRC chats with prominent alt-right figures, attended alt-right meetups, coordinated alt-right digital action and written for alt-right sites before leaving the movement in early 2016
Hellsite users: Think they understand the alt-right better than me because they read a HuffPo explainer on the topic or whatever
Ah, but see, demobilization is impossible, as the left says again and again.
As such, you must either still secretly be an altrightie and thus untrustworthy, or not exist - even more untrustworthy! Glitches in reality can’t be relied on for accurate information, Mutie-san.
I actually wonder how much of the uptick in political extremism (between the alt-right and the antifa types) is the internet tough guy ethos and troll culture leaking into the real world.
People wanting to LARP WW2 (and the U.S civil war) to look badass, while seeming to forget the part where millions died.
There’s some of that but I think it’s more about European politics leaking into the US through the Internet
Democratic socialist politics and antifa specifically is from Europe
Ethno-nationalist politics and Nazi street fighting specifically is from Europe
It’s shocking because it doesn’t belong here and it doesn’t make sense in America where there’s no chance of either movement gaining enough political traction to achieve their goals and just about everybody involved in serious street violence gets arrested and has their life ruined, or gets shot
And I’ve seen a lot of Europeans get bizarrely invested in extremely America-centric issues as well, it’s not just one-sided
It’s worth noting that Richard Spencer almost exclusively gets his ideas from European thinkers like Benoist and Dugin. He more or less shuns Moldbug, the only major contemporary American unorthodox right-wing intellectual around. So I think that theory of europeanization may hold some merit.
“To defeat the Jew in your fatherland, you must first defeat the Jew in your heart,” I say, as I lead the unsuspecting Nazis towards my cleverly-disguised Buddhist monastery deep in the remote mountains of Nepal.
So with the Antifa ripping down a confederate statue, perhaps Social Justice Capture the Flag is back from a few years ago.
And with that, perhaps they will all switch over to doing property crimes instead of wailing on each other with bats and bike locks and what-have-you, and tensions will de-escalate.
Hopefully. I mean if that does happen it’s probably worth the price of a few statues.
in the past I kind of dissed Greg Egan for overlooking the possibility of Islamic terrorism, but his (fictional) predictions of resurgent Aryan Nationalist groups in the near future seem increasingly reasonable, even if he didn’t quite get the memetic background entirely right, focusing more on a kind of New Age woo than the clusterfuck of retreads from the 1930s mixed with Pepe memes that we actually ended up with.
one of the things that does feel very real is the concept of “science” treated as a political football getting kicked around by nominally leftist and rightist groups whose connection to reality grows ever more tenuous
Well, when you combine people getting excited about demographic replacement with people who still pretty unapologetically believe in Collective Ethnic Intergenerational Justice, then of course ethnic majority ethnic nationalism is going to rise.
If you got dudes talking like they’re going to take ‘revenge’ for stuff that happened decades or even centuries ago, well, that’s the basis of a lot of “ethnic tension” and ethnic violence.
another prediction was that widespread genetic testing would end up getting picked up by ethnoracial nationalists as an ironclad way of determining group membership, particularly focused on Y chromosome inheritance, thus you’re either a descendant of the historical Father of the People or the interloping usurper descendant of some barbarian rapist; thankfully that idea hasn’t got off the ground yet
We’ll have genetic engineering by the time it would have taken off, I think, which is going to weird effects on the whole race politics thing.
Hopefully good ones. If we’re lucky (and we might actually be in this one particular case), we may be able to patch the genes of adults, too.
in the past I kind of dissed Greg Egan for overlooking the possibility of Islamic terrorism, but his (fictional) predictions of resurgent Aryan Nationalist groups in the near future seem increasingly reasonable, even if he didn’t quite get the memetic background entirely right, focusing more on a kind of New Age woo than the clusterfuck of retreads from the 1930s mixed with Pepe memes that we actually ended up with.
one of the things that does feel very real is the concept of “science” treated as a political football getting kicked around by nominally leftist and rightist groups whose connection to reality grows ever more tenuous
Well, when you combine people getting excited about demographic replacement with people who still pretty unapologetically believe in Collective Ethnic Intergenerational Justice, then of course ethnic majority ethnic nationalism is going to rise.
If you got dudes talking like they’re going to take ‘revenge’ for stuff that happened decades or even centuries ago, well, that’s the basis of a lot of “ethnic tension” and ethnic violence.
What degenerate branch of my ancestry managed to survive - and thrive - with the instinctual response to warm weather “Yeah I should slip out of this vitally protective covering (: (: (:”
gonna guess it’s the branch that hadn’t fucked up their melanin, probably
“fucked up”
Ok but what if the evolution of lighter skin was in fact Scandinavian minimalism
Is "dudebro" even about masculinity though? It's making fun of frat boys, which is a more specific thing, with connotations of immaturity. I don't think an equally masculine term like "sirgentleman" would catch on as much without those associations.
It may have begun with frat boys, but it’s clearly metastasised; if you replace all occurrences of dudebro with frat boy the results are incoherent.
I’m glad I don’t have a brainless racist narcist demented idiot for president. Oh and, when he got elected I already predicted this would lead to a new civil war.
Aren’t you in Europe?
Come now, you Europeans love America! That’s why you’re trying to turn Europe into America after all, with internal open borders, a federal government, a unified currency, and the emergence of a monoculture founded on those three traits, which has only minor regional differences in culture.
Soon you’ll have your own New New York, with your very own Orange Man. It’ll be great.
@mitigatedchaos What do you know about Europeans? We have some sort of hate-love for you guys.
Look, mate.
Trump complaints from Euros just convince Trump’s base that Trump is on the right path, especially in the form of “brainless narcissist” etc.
It often goes hand-in-hand with an idea of Europeans as the more Cultured and Refined civilization - but the kinds of people that expressed those ideas in America are also the ones put their cultural and economic interests ahead of the Rust Belt voters that gave Trump the Presidency, and frequently insulted them (and celebrated their demographic replacement).
Trump’s base has a negative amount of trust for them.
So that makes the post a good opportunity to dunk on the European Union as a project by pointing out the irony involved.
The reason the US dollar functions well despite spanning a continent, while the Euro has contributed to the collapse in Greece, is a combination of US Federal government spending and higher labor mobility, which evens out the spread of dollars. The spending and issuing of currency are unified at the same level of government, allowing them to work together. (This can also kinda work with some separation if the economies are similar enough.)
That is not the case in the EU, where the currency issuing and government spending are separated, and the government performance levels are quite dissimilar.
To unify them, it would be necessary to shift even more power to the EU government (which is apparently happening). To make a true European Federation, not a mere European Union. That would make Europe much more similar to America in structure.
Secondly, it requires the increased labor mobility. Cultural uniqueness grows in environments with friction that allow drift from other cultures and cuts the rate of memetic transmission, and the increased overhead of communication, up to a certain level, makes business harder rather than easier. (Think language barriers as an example.)
So all those people moving around to where the money is will start to converge on a more unified culture as a means of doing business more easily (like having only one or two languages that they all share!), just like in the United States of America. Cultural traditions will spread more quickly and widely, meaning there will be fewer of them. Cultural preferences, too, will be more evenly distributed throughout the Continent.
Plus this whole thing about “increasing diversity” by importing large numbers of foreigners like America will also erode the local traditions as they do not share them. Instead, they’ll buy into the new broader Euroculture.
So Europeans are complaining about the American President while taking the steps required to make Europe much more like America - eventually France and Germany will be no more different from each other than New York state and Illinois.
Anyhow, only going halfway at it is actually even worse, as it causes things like the situation in Greece. Either be a true Federation or be independent nations.
And yes, I know not all European countries are in the EU, or have the same level of integration into the EU. After all, Britain kept the Pound (a decision I agree with).
I’m glad I don’t have a brainless racist narcist demented idiot for president. Oh and, when he got elected I already predicted this would lead to a new civil war.
Aren’t you in Europe?
Come now, you Europeans love America! That’s why you’re trying to turn Europe into America after all, with internal open borders, a federal government, a unified currency, and the emergence of a monoculture founded on those three traits, which has only minor regional differences in culture.
Soon you’ll have your own New New York, with your very own Orange Man. It’ll be great.
More work towards achieving Total Artist Unemployment.
Aloha Argumate-Senpai!: Discourse Beach inches closer to defictionalization.
But anyhow, note the limitations. I don’t think we’ll actually get Total Artist Unemployment, because these artificial NNs don’t do general reasoning, which limits their capabilities (apparently also true for self-driving cars).
However, I can imagine a future in which 10x as much manga-style stuff is created, and the media ecosystem is even more fragmented as micro-genres emerge. Attention resources are limited, though, so we’ll see.
Anyhow, someone needs to use this as the avatar generator for a comment system like SSC has. That would be hilarious.
More work towards achieving Total Artist Unemployment.
Aloha Argumate-Senpai!: Discourse Beach inches closer to defictionalization.
But anyhow, note the limitations. I don’t think we’ll actually get Total Artist Unemployment, because these artificial NNs don’t do general reasoning, which limits their capabilities (apparently also true for self-driving cars).
However, I can imagine a future in which 10x as much manga-style stuff is created, and the media ecosystem is even more fragmented as micro-genres emerge. Attention resources are limited, though, so we’ll see.
in this case Lee seems to be less of an asshole than many of the people who idolise him, sadly, but the dude did fight for treason in defense of slavery etc.
doxxing someone based on clearly identifying information: good
doxxing someone based on “this profile picture looks like the guy in this blurry, poorly-lit photo”: bad
in practice people have wildly differing standards for “clearly identifying”, and there have been dozens of false doxxing attempts on Reddit based on pictures taken in perfectly good light.
7.5 billion people on Earth! unless they’re wearing name tags it’s surprisingly easy to mix ‘em up.
the doxxing guy on twitter already got doxxed by /pol/ cuz he saved $10/year on whois protection
“Doxx not, lest ye be doxxed.” - some religion guy, probably
Though we are seeing what appears to be the emergence of a pan-national white identity in Europe, probably in response to all the migration, and all the things that go along with that migration that we’re not supposed to talk about.
I’ve outlined strategies to manage those things we’re not supposed to talk about, including banning cousin marriage and executing honor killers.
If that got under control, the emergence of this new identity might be stopped or slowed.
Of course, I don’t think that will happen, and instead we’ll get American race politics in Europe.
if you’ve really got a brainboner for “white” culture there’s nothing stopping you from participating in any number of activities related to language, music, dance, religion, stories, martial arts, food, historical reenactment; these are all perfectly valid and in fact often celebrated, not something that gets you sent to the gulag.
not white qua white–since that’s one thing the CRT people get right, whiteness itself is basically just defined by white supremacy, there’s no there there (it is, as TUOC says, a category error)
it’s the members of the whiteness coalition who have the language, music, etc. Celebrating whiteness qua whiteness actually is not gonna be celebrated, because that pretty much will take the form of pure distilled racism. And the people who say they’re not allowed to do that–well, they’re not wrong, but there’s a reason they’re not allowed to do it. They basically want to just be racist for the sake of being racist and it’s like, no
Well, it’s similar to “Asian” and “black” in that respect - they are American categories created by a nation where the variety of migrations reduced each group to their barest, most obvious similarities.
(And of course, going by migrations, the various whites are different groups, thus tumblr resident elementarynationalism trying to get the Poles counted as white by the other racial nationalists bumps into the legacy the legacy of the Third Reich and other stuff. Which is kind of amusing to watch, since the infighting prevents them from actually
getting
any kind of coherent power to make Britain white.)
And one could do a “White Festival” in the same sense one did an “Asian Festival”, and have a Polish booth, an Italian booth, a booth with terrible British food, etc. But in America, people aren’t quite “from” those cultures anymore, and after enough generations they aren’t really “from” Japanese culture either, which is how a unified “Asian” identity is even possible given historical attitudes in the region.
(And for a friend or two of mine, it isn’t clear just what booth they’d be at at the “Asian Festival”.)
There are still some rates of difference and ethnicity, but it’d be a bit strange. Birdwatching, apparently, is a thing we’d need for our Not-Numbingly-Racist Post-European Cultural Whiteness Festival. And even then, it isn’t purely a white activity, just one which is apparently lopsidedly white.
But on the other hand, I don’t think the “end whiteness” people are actually… I don’t think they actually want to dissolve whiteness back into its constituent parts or into nothing, and they don’t want to dissolve blackness or Asianess, either.
From what I can see, they still believe in intergenerational ethnic collective justice. Trying to end a unified American white identity necessarily requires discarding the idea of intergenerational ethnic collective justice, and if you believe that individuals now owe payment for ancestors past as a group, then you still very much believe in whiteness, just in a negative form.
what is the alt-right position on the fact that if not for the valiant efforts of the cultural marxists at Harvard, America’s ruling class would now be 50% Asian
So what you’re saying is that Asians should besiege Harvard with trebuchets for depriving them of the enormous amount of social status they could have gained.
in this case Lee seems to be less of an asshole than many of the people who idolise him, sadly, but the dude did fight for treason in defense of slavery etc.
And the alt-right draws first blood! Are you excited for the coming civil war?
What would Lee Kwan Yew think of what that’s going to do to the GDP and national infrastructure? Not something nice, I think. It’s hard to have nice things like hospitals and power when physical security cannot be maintained.
(Antifa Bike Lock Guy came close to getting the first murder in, but it seems he was beat by that Car of Peace.)
Civil war is unlikely, but the media sure seems hyped for one.
"God is sending you messages, but you aren’t checking your phone." Dude, you should've written the Bible.
Perhaps one day a time will come when I will be bored enough to release my own version.
“And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I being detained?”
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life, and know the gate, and am the gate: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me, for I am the key and the guardian of the gate.”
“But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With central planning, this is impossible; but with the market all things are possible.”
at least now that the swastikas are out in force we can end those asinine debates about whether to call people Nazis or not
Not really, since they’re likely to still call Charles “let’s give the demographic group you think I hate money” Murray a Nazi, not just Joe McSwastikaArmbands.
But I wanna see the eternal urbanites starve to death or get shot by rednecks bubbas rifle when he goes looking for food innawoods in the coming civil war. Like its not a "oh that would be cool thing" I actively want that
Proud Boys is a far-right men’s organization founded in 2016 by former VICE media co-founder and commentator Gavin McInnes. McInnes describes the organization as a “pro-Western fraternal organization” for men who “refuse to apologize for creating the modern world.”
why must every dude who claims to represent Western Civilization be like this
Well the self-described “representatives of the oppressed working class” are Communists bitching about Revolution so quite frankly I don’t know what you were expecting.
as Minister for Buzzkill I’m fine with arresting everyone at a Nazi torch rally and chucking ‘em in the drunk tank overnight for disturbing the peace, which seems eminently justifiable.
There may be a position for you in my new government after all, Argumate.
thirteen-jades said: If you don’t mind my asking, what exactly is “fundamentally awful” about engineering/physics, or even the other, less STEM-y ones?
this is me being somewhat sarcastic, given that “tech” is accused of being awful specifically because of its gender balance, which is actually less bad than all of the other fields listed.
(some of the fields are actually awful for other reasons, and gender balance can make the field significantly worse for the minority gender, although not always)
but the primary issue was that an imbalance in one place must be compensated for with an opposite imbalance elsewhere, and that fixing an imbalance can’t be done in isolation as it ultimately requires balancing the whole system.
“I’m sorry ma'am but we already have the required number of female nurses.”
“I hope to be able to meet you in regard to segregation by substituting for invidious segregation on race lines, a very strict system of sanitary, social and building regulations which will in fact ensure that the only Indians who will live in the white quarters will be those who are really suited by their mode of living for residence amid a European community.”—
Winston Churchill explains the purpose of zoning laws in Kenya, May 1921 (via xhxhxhx)
It’s important to realize urban planning and so on aren’t inherently neutral.
If American soldiers didn't give Nazis a fight in World War II do you think they would have stopped? Or what about the Civil War or the Civil Rights Movement? You say what they're doing is bad behavior like their little children throwing a temper tantrum. They're not. They're grown men who even if we didn't give a fight would still escalate violence until everyone they disliked was eradicated. Sometimes the only way to end a fight is to fight back.
Stop comparing major military conflicts between nation-states and armies with street fights between civilians.
Also, WRT the civil rights movement, there’s a reason no normie knows who George Lincoln Rockwell was, and that’s because his antagonistic antics were essentially ignored during that period.
