Ancaps and neonationalists in the same thread, lel. The fact that these people are bedfellows just betrays their utter lack of principles.
To be fair, most immigrants coming in are for more government interference, and AnCapism/Libertarianism can only be instantiated with sufficient public support. (For my part I want *better* government interference, but then, I’m not an AnCap.)
Gingers are a race
I’m willing to accept this argument, but only if it unlocks new and exciting discourse not yet available in my country.
One day has passed. Manifestbro was named, shamed and fired.
Instead of the version that gizmodo published, with the links and graphs stripped out, we have the full version of the memo now.
I think it’s important to understand that this memo was not written *for* the public to read, but for Google management. I don’t think the guy realised this would get more than a hundred views, or he might have posted it anonymously on wordpress. The sucker thought this would stay inside Google. What a douchebro!
There have been bits of insightful commentary, and most of the rest boiled down to “It’s true, but he should not say it“. @slatestarscratchpad had written a piece in reply to a reply to the memo, both of which focused of the science of gender differences, which were only tangentially related to the actionable recommendations from the memo about anti-diversity training.
Google executives have hand-wrung about valuing free expression and this should be discussed, but …
People have lost their shit over words like “agreeableness“, “openness“, “conscientiousness“ and “neuroticism“. Basically social psychology terminology is sexist now, which brings be to my …
I’m being 100% serious here. I believe that the SJWs who hated this memo should do this one weird thing to maximise their culture war impact:
Otherwise manifestbro will find work at another place, and another Googler will find the same hatefacts on arXiv or PLoS. This is a pipeline problem. As long as there are “scientific“ studies on gender differences, people will use them. Especially genius Harvard biologists.
So you have to make it clear, drill it into people’s heads: If you continue researching this shit, there will be consequences! (Be vague about consequences here. Ostensibly you mean to imply that certain research output will turn genius Harvard biologists alt-right, but you also want to darkly hint at ~~consequences~~)
Once you establishes contact with a scientist, any of the coauthors of the linked papers, ask them if they think that their research directly supports the conclusions of the memo. Don’t let them weasel out. If they tell you that there is no direct link between the quality of sensitivity training (which they probably did not measure) at Google and OCEAN traits in undergrads, tell them to condemn the memo then, to be on the safe side.
If they tell you that they want to stay out of it, get inventive: Contact the student union at their institution or leak the names of their grad students on your twitter!
Ask them to
Make them publicly commit to these pledges!
If they refuse, tweet! This is your one chance to destroy the root of the evil and to leave nothing but scorched earth. Things are in motion. Reactionaries don’t know if their increased visibility from the memo will help them coordinate, or if it will lead to a coordinated expulsion of known reactionaries. Don’t let counterrevolutionary elements take root! Now is your chance!
Ever forward! Fire and motion!
Ah, but how did we get the new reactionaries? The disadvantage of this method is that subsequent conversions to the right wing are permanent. Once someone finds out that “forced envelopment” got classified as something other than rape in study after the CDC contacted some institutional feminist, for instance, they aren’t going to believe Feminist studies anymore. At that point, getting them to come back to feminism becomes impossible. The number of hatefacts may be reduced, but every hatefact becomes more potent.
anaisnein said: the concept of natural, non-socialization-driven self-sorting by gender assumes that, in the absence of all socialization, gender would still be a thing (and one that generally aligns with what we’ll postulate are the two major reproductive apparatus types or clusters thereof). and I don’t find that intuitively obvious. and studies about babies gravitating to faces vs mobiles or whatever don’t seem to make a dent in how not at all intuitive it is.
I’m not sure how we could test this, given that human babies aren’t capable of independent development, so we can’t just dump a bunch of them in the wilderness somewhere and see what happens, nor do we have any truly blank slate adults to look after them.
My intuition is the opposite - it seems pretty absurd that sexual dimorphism would apply so clearly and visibly to the rest of our bodies yet have no impact whatsoever on personality distribution or what people are attracted to, especially given how complicated heterosexuality is.
And like, to rub this in, noticing that as many as 1 in 5 women may have PCOS (and thus elevated androgens) depending on the cutoff level just makes this seem more sensible to me, not less, because you can have a sterile XY female with sufficient androgen insensitivity, so obviously the process is complicated and not just a binary switch, leaving room for lots of variation while still clustering.
do rates of PCOS differ by field?
I would love to know this and rates of bisexualism/etc by field. I suspect they do, but I have a sample size of like, two.
Of course none of this is a reason not to believe individuals that say they like certain fields/interests!
anaisnein said: the concept of natural, non-socialization-driven self-sorting by gender assumes that, in the absence of all socialization, gender would still be a thing (and one that generally aligns with what we’ll postulate are the two major reproductive apparatus types or clusters thereof). and I don’t find that intuitively obvious. and studies about babies gravitating to faces vs mobiles or whatever don’t seem to make a dent in how not at all intuitive it is.
I’m not sure how we could test this, given that human babies aren’t capable of independent development, so we can’t just dump a bunch of them in the wilderness somewhere and see what happens, nor do we have any truly blank slate adults to look after them.
My intuition is the opposite - it seems pretty absurd that sexual dimorphism would apply so clearly and visibly to the rest of our bodies yet have no impact whatsoever on personality distribution or what people are attracted to, especially given how complicated heterosexuality is.
And like, to rub this in, noticing that as many as 1 in 5 women may have PCOS (and thus elevated androgens) depending on the cutoff level just makes this seem more sensible to me, not less, because you can have a sterile XY female with sufficient androgen insensitivity, so obviously the process is complicated and not just a binary switch, leaving room for lots of variation while still clustering.
do rates of PCOS differ by field?
I would love to know this and rates of bisexualism/etc by field. I suspect they do, but I have a sample size of like, two.
Like, don’t take for granted how we have not only all this complicated hardware for facial recognition, but also for determining atractiveness that tracks with e.g. specific kinds of body fat used to build the extremely expensive baby brains of our species.
In terms of how much trouble it is to implement, heterosexuality is actually really complicated and it only seems normal to so many people because it’s already implemented for them at the subconscious level.
anaisnein said: the concept of natural, non-socialization-driven self-sorting by gender assumes that, in the absence of all socialization, gender would still be a thing (and one that generally aligns with what we’ll postulate are the two major reproductive apparatus types or clusters thereof). and I don’t find that intuitively obvious. and studies about babies gravitating to faces vs mobiles or whatever don’t seem to make a dent in how not at all intuitive it is.
I’m not sure how we could test this, given that human babies aren’t capable of independent development, so we can’t just dump a bunch of them in the wilderness somewhere and see what happens, nor do we have any truly blank slate adults to look after them.
My intuition is the opposite - it seems pretty absurd that sexual dimorphism would apply so clearly and visibly to the rest of our bodies yet have no impact whatsoever on personality distribution or what people are attracted to, especially given how complicated heterosexuality is.
And like, to rub this in, noticing that as many as 1 in 5 women may have PCOS (and thus elevated androgens) depending on the cutoff level just makes this seem more sensible to me, not less, because you can have a sterile XY female with sufficient androgen insensitivity, so obviously the process is complicated and not just a binary switch, leaving room for lots of variation while still clustering.
let monster women look monstrous u fucking cowards
You think that sht pays for itself? You think fucking superconducting magnets for building these enormous full prosthetic bodies are free or something?
Alright, when my company makes some licensed, snake-themed anime bullsht, we can reliably sell 400,000 units. Yeah, that’s not a typo. Not forty units. Not four hundred units. Four hundred thousand units.
That’s what people want. That’s what they buy. That’s what they’re willing to pay for. We are in the business of making what people are willing to pay for. Microtanium alloy does not come cheap.
You think we haven’t tried more ‘exotic’ body designs? We’ve done that. Small batches. Little unique touches for all of them. Totally novel arm and shoulder designs.
You know who buys that? Collectors. Every time we try it it’s a struggle to sell the whole batch for more than it cost us to make it.
That “dumb” pretty design you’re railing against, that is so popular, is compatible with every door handle, every stove, most typical tops, most typical hats, and so on. You can go out tomorrow and buy everything you need for it. All the catalogs already exist, and where they don’t, “human equipment will do.”
Not to mention that, even leaving aside that most of our customers still have to interface with business environments, most humans aren’t gossisexual, they aren’t going to adapt to something too far outside the human bodyplan, and most of our customers don’t want to look hideous, even in the N- and L-band neurotypes. Even shifting most of the muscle control on e.g. the spider special mode to software is straining the neuroplasticity limits of the human brain, and neuroplasticity amplifiers are not free of side-effects.
This is just so woefully naive and idealistic. Really, I’ve had it up to here with outsiders trying to force their aesthetic preferences on my industry.
If you want such a monstrous body, go buy it yourself. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of custom shops that will put one together for you. But don’t go btching about how “your monsterwoman synth bodies don’t look monstrous enough”.
so what are we all getting mad about next
The ethics of cloning woolly mammoths?
how else are we gonna get juicy mammoth burgers??
Does someone not want woolly mammoths cloned? I cannot begin to imagine a halfway decent argument against that
It won’t be feasible to synthesize the necessary gut bacteria and socialization, and it isn’t clear what habitat they’d survive in currently, if anywhere. It may be difficult to get enough of a population going to ensure a stable breeding population, and the cost to get the 1,000 or maybe 10,000 mammoths that may take would be prohibitive for most entities that might consider doing it.
There, halfway decent.
so what are we all getting mad about next
I’m really upset that my favorite ship in Strawberry Rationalist Girl RenegadeAngles-san isn’t official in the new season and I’m planning to hold the government of Sapporo hostage in the name of queer spider-cyborg representation and morphological freedom until the studio agrees to make it canon.
I’ve got three airsoft rifles, a crew of fifteen dedicated hardcore brotakus, and a tank. I really think we can pull this off. You in?
please god tell me brotaku isn’t a real thing
“There are only two things in life that are valuable. Anime, and sick gainz.”
- some Japanese guy, probably
The Brotaku School of anime-style martial arts goes back to the year of 1994, in a small town on the outskirts of San Francisco, California. I’m not surprised you haven’t heard of it, since it’s pretty obscure. Few even know it exists, much less the power of its techniques. It’s quite brutal, but it has to be - the Brotaku School exists to break the will of the neckbeard so that they can be transformed and elevated to a new level of Man, seeking both perfection of mind and of body.
Not all of them survive. Those that do make a vow of voluntary celibacy in order to prove their loyalty to the 2D Ideal.
Of course, I don’t really hold to the 2D Ideal myself, different school of martial arts and beliefs and all that, but they embody a kind of aspect of the national will and we kind of deeply connected over sharing tips to unlock all the endings of Discourse Beach and then we decided to overthrow the government.
But eventually we realized that was too much work and settled for getting RenegadeAngles fixed.
So are you coming or what?
