1.5M ratings
277k ratings

See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna
argumate
argumate

Philosophy is not engineering, but neither is computer science, at least not the good bits. But that’s a bit of a sidetrack.

By making new universes I meant defining possible worlds, either on paper, or better yet in executable form. These can be humdrum, such as the world of Minecraft, made up of discrete cubes of material with certain laws of interaction, or much more abstract, like a distributed database system where there is no global clock to give a single unambiguous ordering of events, and it is a struggle to achieve a consistent interpretation of the current state for every observer. Or you can go even higher and try and define a dependent type theory that can unify mathematical proof and executable code, which is what we really need.

The interesting thing about these worlds is that we have direct access to the underlying laws and can address questions of object properties and identity directly. Most of them are not reductionist in the way that the real world is, so you can have a chair that literally exists as an independent object that is not made up of smaller parts, and lots of traditional reasoning about object identity then applies.

If we look at a reductionist universe like Conway’s Life, then I think there is not much to say about objects. The only fundamental entities in this universe are grid cells, and the absolute time step that updates them. Influences can propagate through the grid, and particular patterns of cells might be labelled as “objects” while analysing their behaviour, eg. gliders. But this is for notational convenience, we can’t actually learn anything at the object level that we couldn’t learn by studying the underlying cells.

You can create Turing machines in Life, and then you can analyse them as if they were abstract computing devices, ignoring the grid cells. But if a stray glider crashes into the machine, it will break, and the analysis will fail, just as if a chair in the real world caught fire: at some point your mental model would shift from chair, to burning chair, to smouldering remains of what once was a chair, or just pile of unidentified ash.

So there is clearly not much point for philosophers to debate the fundamental nature of Conway’s Life (right? I am assuming this).

The real world is still less well-defined, and there is behaviour we have not yet explained, and laws we have not fully worked out. But I have to draw the line somewhere, and if someone thinks that a chair has existence independently of the particles that make it up, well I don’t really know what to say to them. I mean, the question of what objects are was answered 2500 years ago by Democritus: arrangements of atoms in the void. Even I know that :)

Since there are no intrinsic properties of objects that can’t be dissolved into statements about their component parts, the only reason to have a theory of objects at all is for convenience in modelling and communication. But both of those have specific requirements, there is no single model of objects that will be ideal for every use case. You are going to need a very different model of chairs depending on whether you are talking to a furniture designer, a cafe owner, a Roomba, or a hunter gatherer.

mitigatedchaos

I was speaking in a very compressed way about causal bundling just now, but I wasn’t joking.

A chair has qualities that its subcomponent parts do not, in terms of how it deflects the development of the world towards different directions/timelines vs a non-chair.

In this case, a chair is not an absolute definition, but rather a causal bundle - a cluster within the matter configuration space which has a high probability of producing certain related outcomes.  

You can, then, learn something at the object level that you couldn’t by studying the atoms of the chair.

philo
argumate
argumate

so when are they going to throw the asexuals out of the military

mitigatedchaos

“Never distracted by the baser instincts of lust or love, asexual aromantics are the perfect potential soldiers,” the man said to the gathered audience, activating his next presentation slide.  “My company has developed a new generation three training program based on the analysis of double-A characteristics, and so far our test subjects have had great success.”

“But where will we get these asexual aromantics?”  Asked a suited man in the audience.

“My company has arranged to purchase an old web 2.0 company, called Tumblr…”

shtpost mitigated future augmented reality break mitigated fiction

I think this dust-up on transgender soldiers will actually burn some of Trump’s political capital.

I’ll let you in on something about his power - previously, a lot of these things where he got the media all fired up over something, he had at or near majority support from the actual citizens or it was something most people outside of politics just don’t care about.

This one’s gonna be a lot narrower.  The opposition will be able to get some actual traction out of it.

politics trump
argumate
sigmaleph

I would favour the transition towards “henchmen” if it weren’t gendered. “Henchpeople” just doesn’t sound right.

asocratesgonemad

Agreed. I think I’m going to go with “henchmen” for the time being, because my interest in language-neutering has frankly been long worn away.

My brief search for a gender-neutral version that was still #the aesthetic returned “cronies” and “toadies”, but I think those would make me sound more liks Richard Nixon than Doctor Doom.

“Underlings” also occured to me, but that puts one in mind of a Dilbert-esque CEO. Hmph.

thededekindadafunction

I reiterate the excellent option of just going with “hench”

Although I am also currently considering henchgirl positions

argumate

Henchlings! Because underlings sounds like some kind of exotic lingerie.

mitigatedchaos

In my old organization they were just referred to as “personnel”, because true evil is a faceless and impersonal, like a force of nature.

I’m on my own now, though, and there just isn’t a good word in English for a crew of repurposed salvaged mass-production gynoids held together by duct-tape and deep elastomer patches.  I know a few good words for it in Channish, but it just doesn’t have the same ring when you know the audience doesn’t understand it and never will.

supervillain mitigated future shtpost chronofelony
argumate
argumate

I’m not trying to sneak in positivism or anything, it seems entirely natural that if someone says “what is an object” that the reply would be do you mean in the actual world, or what people mean when they say object? I mean it is a strictly more ambiguous question than “what is a boat?”

- is it a watercraft as defined by various legal codes
- is it what people intuitively think of when you say the word
- is there some perfect logical definition of boatness

The first thing you would say is “why are you asking?” because the reason you ask determines what kind of answer is appropriate, and the question by itself is incomplete.

mitigatedchaos

Boat actually causal probability cluster defined by worldpaths through the set of configurations of matter.

bpd-anon
mitigatedchaos

There are only two genders: human and transhuman.

argumate

assigned human at birth, but determined to change that.

gurtgetter

mitigatedchaos

“I will die immortal.”
- Eliezer T. Yudkowsky, possibly, maybe (Rotterdam Timeline)

bpd-anon

His middle initial is S

mitigatedchaos

The joke is that he never actually said that, but people would think he did.  (As far as I know, he didn’t say that, anyway.)  Notice the weird hedging (“possibly, maybe”) which makes no sense for a real quote.  (Nor the Rotterdam Timeline.  But Rotterdam is a weird timeline tbh.)

Therefore it’s entirely appropriate that the middle initial is wrong.

This was said by the Eliezer Yudkowsky of the Rotterdam timeline, whose middle initial is T, not the Eliezer Yudkowsky of our timeline.  Rotterdam can be a pretty brutal timeline, but its civilization has not been lost to nuclear war.

When he died, he wasn’t immortal, but he was a hero.  

Source: mitigatedchaos post-yudkowsky subterranean dreamline chronofelony augmented reality break
lordpatiii

Anonymous asked:

I can understand the concern, but were there every that many trans people in the military to begin with?

mutant-aesthetic answered:

that’s the other question, yeah, like how many trans people were really looking forward to military service?

mitigatedchaos

More than you might think, apparently.

Word is they try extra-hard at masculinity, hoping it will fill the hole.  But of course, it doesn’t, because it’s likely caused by hormone levels at key points in brain development or something like that.

How many is that?  I dunno.

lordpatiii

Brain development like in the womb?

mitigatedchaos

Probably.  Possibly also in puberty.  I don’t think we know for sure what causes it, but my estimate is it’s something a little bit like phantom limb syndrome.

i.e., the body has an internal map of where all the parts are supposed to go and how they’re supposed to work and what the chemical balance should be, and this map is sexed, and if the parts don’t fit the map it periodically throws an error in one’s subconscious.  But of course, because we can’t directly read errors like on a computer, this is experienced as anxiety, feelings of dysmorphia, etc.

Or something along those lines.  I’m a programmer, not a medical researcher.  It’s entirely possible that someone will swing by this post momentarily and start writing “Well, Actually…”

Also, hormone levels vary by person even within a sex/gender.

Source: mutant-aesthetic gendpol
thathopeyetlives
mitigatedchaos

@thathopeyetlives-theuntaggable

Abortion actually *could be* pretty fatal. Nobody actually knows what happens to the unbaptized infants, though few people believe that they go to the Bad Place.

I’ve always wondered about much more complicated questions of soul mechanics which, as far as I’m aware, are both unanswered and unintuitive:

  • New clones from existing tissue.
  • Forks that somehow make one person into two people.
  • Uplifted animals.
  • Heavily genetically-modified humans.
  • Reverted gametes later recombined.
Source: apprenticebard mitigated future scifi ethics