Oceans Yet to Burn

mutant-aesthetic

I’m actually really curious what environmentally-minded lefties plan on doing about the fact that people in Africa are having way too many goddamn babies

Like Macron just recently pointed out that this was a huge problem and a lot of lefties went bonkers and got really mad but the African population boom and all the resulting effects are going to be more or less catastrophic for the planet

mitigatedchaos

The plan is to migrate them all here, because developed nations have infinite money and structural reinforcement. Or there is no plan. Just cross your fingers and hope it all works out.

Hitler is the Satan figure of modern progressivism/liberalism. Anything that even has the slightest whiff of something he might maybe have once possibly considered doing for a few seconds is tainted by association. On top of that, there have been previous racist actions in the developed nations. On top of that, it has been decided that the majority whites of the developed nations bear the original sin for racism.

Telling people to have fewer kids is worth celebrating by progressivism, but only if you’re telling white people. Telling anyone else is vile racism. (Even, of course, if it would lead to terrible conditions in majority-PoC countries.)

For the progressives that actually notice that you can only consume what is produced, and that while the wealthy have a pretty good-sized amount of money it isn’t anywhere near unlimited, embracing any discouragement of population growth is considered too dangerous, a slippery slope to eugenics and baby licenses.

…even to the ones that “jokingly” suggested swapping everyone’s babies to end “genetic chauvinism”, I would imagine.

Of course the Conservatives keep trying to kill abortion in those areas with their controls on American government aid funding, so mostly they don’t really care, either. Catholics I’ve encountered seem to believe that God Will Provide or something, one of them talking about the Earth supporting a potential population of 100 billion.

Only a few villains see this as an issue, like you, me, and Emmanuel Macron.

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quasi-normalcy

The thing is that political correctness, in the sense of an orthodoxy that exists in terms of what opinions you can express without ostracism in a community (particularly a progressive community), is a very real phenomenon, and can be quite pernicious. But in the sense that it is generally used by conservatives at present, it is basically a catch-all snarlword for anything that they disagree with, but especially for oppressed groups standing up for their rights. And it is used so much more frequently in the latter context that I question its usefulness in the former.

mitigatedchaos

Pretty much every potentially weaponizable political term gets turned into a snarl. Not sure if it’s because it gets into the hands of dumb yellers, or if it’s just always that tempting.

mitigatedchaos

kissingerandpals

I know we want the same things so why does it have to be so hard

mitigatedchaos

Humanity evolved in an environment of total war. We aren’t yet over the sort of species-wide trauma that induces.

mitigatedchaos

and like that probably sounds trite or whatever, but there are many layers to this. if we ever find a perfectly peaceful species, with no sense of tribalism, it means that species was engineered. almost any species capable of space flight will have to be social and omnivorous.

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kissingerandpals

I know we want the same things so why does it have to be so hard

mitigatedchaos

Humanity evolved in an environment of total war. We aren’t yet over the sort of species-wide trauma that induces.

collapsedsquid

I see economcis stuff about birthrates in western countries every once in a while from economists (In addition to the white genocide types of course), and I do wonder what a state would do that took seriously issued of birthrate. For right now it’s not a critical problem, but I wonder what policies you would need. Universal childcare? Paid Surrogacy?

I do wonder about that last one sometimes actually, would it be possible to raise entire generations as basically wards of the state? Is that going to be the future? At some point hopefully, the world will be industrialized, so the current solution won’t last forever.

mitigatedchaos

It depends on how serious they really are, and what the dominant ideology is.

Liberalism’s answer is to import immigrants, but if that weren’t feasible they’d begin running out of options before they’d have to switch to another ideology.

Someone like me would be willing to take more drastic measures as total collapse loomed, including having the state raise children on its own if necessary.

I don’t think really any state is serious about this. Not Japan, not even Singapore.

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I will say, rattumb migrationists have the virtue to believe that gentrification, too, is a necessary tradeoff in favor of freedom of movement/commerce, and thus are more ideologically consistent than a number of left politicals.

And therefore we don’t get the double-bind where the ethnic majority either leaving or entering the city is considered problematic in both directions at once, acting as a cover for what are actually class concerns. (And also rattumb has greater awareness of what might actually sort out housing prices.)

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argumate

the-bookish-dark

one of the funniest things about the “kids are exposed to too much violence nowadays” arguments

is that people literally used to be executed in the town square and entire families would go out to watch these people be killed and it was a huge event and people thought it was great fun

dietmountainmadewka

joke: kids are exposed to too much violence

woke: kids arent exposed to enough violence

argumate

toke: the violence that kids used to be exposed to was aimed at building social cohesion and community spirit, whereas the violence of today’s mass media is premised on nihilistic individualism

mitigatedchaos

I feel a bit uneasy about that hot take there Argumate, but I think you just passed the Ideological Turing Test for WrathOfGnon.

Source: racetrackconlon

argumate

A good example of political correctness is the party line on Joss Whedon shifting over time.

argumate

One can try and stay ahead of the curve, hence the stern admonitions about the new Doctor Who being problematic because the lady is white.

argumate

But one can be politically incorrect by being too far ahead of the curve; much like trading the market one must be careful not to be too early or too late.

quasi-normalcy

The trick is to never show enthusiasm for anything until you know whether it is problematic or not.

argumate

And be prepared to instantly disavow or recontextualise past opinions every time the winds shift; for this is in fact what political correctness means.

mitigatedchaos

Political Correctness Limit Hypothesis: For any given item X, the odds of being declared problematic approach 1 as the time t goes to infinity.

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