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mitigatedchaos replied to your postmitigatedchaos replied to your post: …

(also admittedly I am really tired right now)

thinking in equilibrium is hard and I’m not that great at it, either, but the additional insight I want to deliver is that technological innovation and capital accumulation responds to prices

Google invested in the driverless cars because it can create profits in the captured markets. That’s a Schumpeterian process: capital and labor for technological innovation is scarce, so rational firms allocate capital and labor where the captured market can deliver the greatest profits.

By necessity, that doesn’t happen “all at once”, as you suggested earlier. There are only so many software and intelligence engineers to go around. Google had to pay them dearly:

For the past year, Google’s car project has been a talent sieve, thanks to leadership changes, strategy doubts, new startup dreams and rivals luring self-driving technology experts. Another force pushing people out? Money. A lot of it.

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A large multiplier was applied to the compensation packages in late 2015, resulting in multi-million dollar payments in some cases, according to the people familiar with the situation. One member of the team had a multiplier of 16 applied to bonuses and equity amassed over four years, one of the people said. They asked not to be identified talking about private matters. 

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It’s unclear how much the payouts cost Alphabet, however, Chief Financial Officer Ruth Porat talked about it during an earnings conference call with analysts in early 2016.

Operating expenses in the fourth quarter of 2015 rose 14 percent to $6.6 billion, “primarily driven by R&D expense, particularly affected by expenses resulting from project milestones in Other Bets established several years ago,” Porat said, according to a transcript. The CFO wasn’t specific, but one of the people familiar with the situation said the comments referred to the car project compensation.

Google is the most powerful firm in the world, but Google does not have limitless resources, and those resources are prudent enough to command their marginal product. Google already had an endowment here: detailed, comprehensive, machine-readable routes for every navigable roadway in the world; alongside efficient photograph recognition software.

Google, and competing firms, can make a coordinated push where the technology is right, but there are real resource constraints that limit the ‘revolutionary’ impacts of their technology.  Technology doesn’t just develop itself, especially capital- and labor-intensive technologies like this one. Not yet, anyways. And not anytime soon.

Google isn’t making surgeonless-surgeries or builderless-buildings or teacherless-teaching, because there aren’t the profits in those markets to justify the costs of the technology and capital investments needed to undercut market incumbents – Google doesn’t have detailed, comprehensive, machine-readable databases of surgeries, building plans, or problem sets which it can process at nominal cost – which suggests that dramatic innovations in those markets aren’t just around the corner, either. 

It takes work to do these things. It’s not going to happen all at once unless these are perfect general purpose technologies, with trivial adaptation and marketization costs. I don’t think that’s what they are. 

The other constraint is that Schumpeterian innovation profits depend on market prices and incomes. Acemoglu makes them straightforwardly reflect factor prices: falling relative wages induce labor-augmenting demand, falling relative rents induce capital-augmenting demand. 

But if you’re working from a model where capital elastically substitutes for labor, I think the equilibrium conditions look different. If your technology is so impressive that it materially reduces labor incomes by substituting for labor, then it will reduce the profits from the goods and services your technology produces. 

Less demand for driverless cars means less people can effectively demand drives, right? That really cuts into your bottom line, doesn’t it? Why would you invest in capital-augmenting technology if the relative returns to that capital-augmenting technology are so low? Why would you develop a driverless car if no one could afford to drive it?

Even if you have dramatically different understandings of what the constraints are, I think you have to work out the equilibrium conditions, the individual, marginal choices they emerge from. Why would individuals and firms keep doing the things that get you to that outcome?

mitigatedchaos

I’m not actually entirely averse to thinking of all production as a product of labor.  It’s in search of the equilibrium in a closed system with labor that I devised a heuristical model I am adapting for the OTV game concept, because I wanted to figure out prices for a setting in the transhuman space future.

Of course, not all goods respond nice and linearly to labor (especially WRT time), e.g. land vs waitressing, so it doesn’t necessarily hold that, if differences in productivity between workers are sufficient, the price for someone’s labor cannot fall below the minimum in terms of absolute resources that they need to survive.  Indeed, this already happens for sufficiently low-productivity workers, workers during famines, etc.

Anyhow,

  • If my technology is so impressive that it reduces labor incomes, that doesn’t matter unless I’m the majority employer within the system.  I can pull the money from someone else hiring these people, at least for a while.
  • If I’m the CEO of most companies, I don’t get paid based on the conditions in ten years, I get paid on a much shorter horizon.
  • And unless I did, it’s a problem for the Commons, not me.
  • And it doesn’t matter if it’s incredibly profitable - it matters whether my competitors will pursue it.  If my competitors make less profit per transaction but undercut my prices by 10%, soon I will be making no profit per transaction.  (Although it’s true that at some point the correct decision becomes to exit the industry.)

But maybe I’m missing something here, since my own econ education didn’t go all that far.

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mitigatedchaos reblogged your post: @poipoipoi-2016: So what just happened with Trump?…

Conservatives and others on the right have down-prioritized it because they thought the whole Trump-Russia thing was bullsht.

Which is why the reporting should change their minds, but won’t. It’s difficult to get someone to understand something when their politics depends on them not understanding it.

Probably doesn’t help that Hillary seemed hyped for war in Syria, which could have lead to war with Russia, both of which are pretty terrible.

I have nothing but contempt for this canard. It imagines a fantastical risk of conflict over a small, irrelevant Middle Eastern country, while ignoring the grave risks of nuclear war over treaty allies in Europe, which Trump’s election has substantially heightened.

But even if you did believe that, Clinton’s foreign policy is irrelevant now. Trump’s foreign policy is not.

mitigatedchaos

Well, that is the difficulty with oppositional politics.

I wonder if in multi-party systems, the standard for “better than the other guys” is higher.  Probably not.

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@poipoipoi-2016:

So what just happened with Trump?

I seem to have missed the good bits.

The news of the night is Jeff Sessions lied about the nature of his conversations with Sergei Kislyak, but this post is about the whole elephant.

As I said to @deusvulture, I think most people don’t know why they should care about the issue and why they should care if the facts are sufficient to support the pleaded claims.

Everyone on Tumblr, from reactionaries to conservatives to libertarians to liberals to the left seems to have the same indifference to the issue, and it mystifies me.  I don’t know enough to write an airtight account of the controversy, but no one else seems to know the stakes at play.

I know that the stakes are pretty high, but everyone else seems to think that there are no stakes at all.

mitigatedchaos

Conservatives and others on the right have down-prioritized it because they thought the whole Trump-Russia thing was bullsht.

Probably doesn’t help that Hillary seemed hyped for war in Syria, which could have lead to war with Russia, both of which are pretty terrible.

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@mitigatedchaos it isn’t dodging anything. I’m looking at actions and deeds regardless of who they come from.

Plus I’m not sure what your overall point is. Nobody is tolerant of everything. We wouldn’t have opposition to tyrrany if that was the case. Having a bit of intolerance doesn’t negate being pro-diversity.

mitigatedchaos

My point was laid out in the original post: it is entirely normal for people not to want their culture replaced, this is not a unique evil of vile Trump voters which crawled up out of a cave somewhere, and people on the left are the same way.

What I’m trying to explain is that when you lose cultural dominance, you don’t just lose cultural dominance over the little things like what music plays in the local bar.  You lose them over the big things as well.  It isn’t your culture’s decision anymore.  And that can hurt.

Liberal/Progressivism itself has a sort of meta-culture which the Robert E. Lee statue violates.  But if our hypothetical confedernecks establish themselves as a majority, then the progressives don’t get to make that decision anymore.  Laws follow culture, not just alter it.

Some hostile cultural aspects can be neutralized without really trying to, but they aren’t all so vulnerable to liberal social atomization.  My concern, in part, is that since you don’t understand just what it is you’re trying to do, you won’t be able to summon the political will to do what is necessary for your plans.

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imagine if StackOverflow answers were written like recipe blogs

TeamCity build fails because of TypeScript - TS2304 and TS7006

I love the fall, don’t you? Nothing lifts my spirits like the crisp crunch of dry leaves underfoot as I walk through the local park with Casper, my corgi dachshund cross. The faint tang of wood smoke from the nearby cottages takes me back to my childhood camping trips in the Yukon. We used to grill sausages on sticks over the campfire and heat up our hot chocolate in tin mugs as the evening chill settled in around us.

The other day I was chatting to Susan about TypeScript. We go way back Susan and I, ever since we dated the same guy in college without knowing it, at the same time, oops! But although Chad was a jerk I ended up with a friend for life, so who’s laughing now!?

Anyway Susan was telling me about the TypeScript project she was working on in TeamCity, when the build failed-

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blackjackgabbiani asked:

Why did you leave that last reply to me within the comments? I want to be able to reblog it to add a reply! (though if more blogging sites took a cue from LiveJournal and implemented comment trees we wouldn't have this problem)

mitigatedchaos answered:

Wasn’t big enough to justify a full post since my followers have already seen the post on my feed.

You can just block quote it and tag me, like

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oh look a quote here lol

Supposedly there’s some official way to do it, but eh.  

Regarding that topic, while I don’t believe all Robert E. Lee statues were erected in the name of white supremacy, one in the news for being removed recently was.

So if rednecks putting up a Robert E Lee statue bothers you even if they’re not actually racist per se but because it’s symbolically racist and offensive, then it’s just part of their culture you don’t approve of, which makes you uncomfortable, which was the entire point of using rednecks as the example in the first place.  Respecting such things is itself part of culture.

And if you’re assuming it means they’re actually racist, then that delves into more harmful/threatening territory.

(Yes, I know not all rednecks are like that, but I saw how libs/lefties responded to the election, including btching about rednecks, and that post is intended to have libs/lefties that say “HOW COULD ANYONE EVER BE OPPOSED TO DIVERSITY?!” stop and notice that they, too, don’t actually terminally value diversity.  

And thus while it may be worth the tradeoff, the opposition are not actually a bunch of weird evil people being evil to be evil.)

blackjackgabbiani

But when someone puts up a symbol of hate that isn’t the same thing as “wanting diversity”. That’s not wanting a symbol of hate. Same as I would want from anyone living here already. I’m applying the same standards to newcomers that I am to established locals.

mitigatedchaos

The rednecks don’t believe that it’s a symbol of hate.  Cultural difference.  Why aren’t you respecting that?

blackjackgabbiani

So why do they want a statue of him? There are tons of Southern leaders and heroes who don’t stand for racism.

mitigatedchaos

They would argue that Robert E. Lee in particular does not stand for racism, but both loyalty to one’s duties as a soldier, freedom from federal tyranny, and so on.

It doesn’t actually matter.  They don’t see it as racist.  Either you can respect that culture, or you see your own culture as superior.  

blackjackgabbiani

How would that be seeing my own culture as superior?

There are some things in cultures–all cultures–that are objectively bad. Fighting them in people of other cultures the same as you do when you fight it in your own doesn’t show that you think either culture is superior. It shows that there are problems facing society as a whole, the combination of cultures and them as individuals.

mitigatedchaos

Child marriage is cultural.  FGM is cultural.  To pick an example closer to American shores, circumcision is cultural.

You can argue whether human rights are cultural or not, but clearly believing in human rights is cultural, and people argue regularly over what is and is not a “right”.  (Medical care, for instance.)

So no, if you think culture A which has no FGM is better than culture B which does have FGM, you think culture A is superior.

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