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nuclearspaceheater
nocherrybombs

Why did the early 2000s neocons think we could export liberal democracy to the Middle East? We can’t even export liberal democracy to the United States.

mitigatedchaos

Once you drink too much of certain variants of Liberalism, you start assuming that Liberal Democracy is the natural condition of mankind and once the restraints are removed, it will naturally emerge and take root, along with economic development.

nuclearspaceheater

I mean, it‘s probably doable, but step 1 is to enforce a ban on cousin marriage for 1000 years.

mitigatedchaos

Ah, but you see, Neocons are ideologically prohibited from acknowledging this, because hey, what is a foreign culture but food and clothing waiting to be sold in the United States?

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slartibartfastibast
ranma-official

ten dollars says she’s going to twist me pointing out that ada lovelace did not actually invent the computer or programming and therefore men have actually contributed to the development of computers in some way as misogyny somehow

slartibartfastibast

Wolfram is a famous douche and even he acknowledges that she made not just significant but seminal (heh) contributions to computer programming. There’s no convincing evidence that Babbage actually wrote her notes about computing the Bernoulli numbers. She was also from a family of wacky geniuses. It’s not unreasonable to call het the mother of computer programming or something like that.

the-grey-tribe

Hobbes, Pascal or Leibniz may also have been the mother of computer programming, if you look at it a certain way, or Babbage or Gauss.

Contributions to computer programming != wrote the first program

The problem here is that all of rat-tumb agrees on the scope of the actual contribution of Ada Lovelace to the history of computing and to the programs to calculate Bernoulli numbers in particular (http://www.fourmilab.ch/babbage/sketch.html). We are just arguing semantics here.

Outside of rat-tumb, some people don’t know anybody else other than Ada Lovelace and Alan Turing (from that movie with Benedict Cumberbatch). What about Joseph-Marie Jacquard, Vannevar Bush, Emil Leon Post, Alonzo Church, Claude Shannon, John von Neumann? Grace Hopper or Barbara Liskov might be better candidates for “Women who invented modern computing”.

Outside of rat-tumb, what does it even matter if she did or did not predict symbolic theorem-provers over a hundred years early? Does it matter if you don’t know what a compiler is, but have strong feelings about the subject anyway?

slartibartfastibast

Is the Bernoulli numbers program a computer program? Did she write it? Did anything before it count as a computer program?

Those questions settle the debate. They’re just super hard to answer in a concrete way.

the-grey-tribe

Yes. No. Probably.

slartibartfastibast

You didn’t read the wolfram excerpt I linked to if you really think she didn’t write the program.

the-grey-tribe

So Menabrea did not?

slartibartfastibast

Nope. He wrote about the engine, but it was her notes that contained the first program. Read the Wolfram article.

the-grey-tribe

Ok. Menabrea wrote something non-Bernoulli as an example program, but suggested Bernoulli numbers. Ada Lovelace published the first computer program. Ada Lovelace was the first computer programmer, if you set the cutoff right.

slartibartfastibast

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mitigatedchaos

The real reason people argue about this is because various Feminists use it to attack nerds in the tech industry.

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mutant-aesthetic

Hot take

mutant-aesthetic

While the phrase “no homo” is traditionally frowned upon by the LGBT community, I think it’s actually a wonderful way to contextualize affirmations as entirely platonic, and we should let the straights have it in exchange for us using “no hetero” when delivering affirmations to the opposite sex

mitigatedchaos

Something to think about, but I don’t think it’ll catch on.

gendpol
ranma-official
ranma-official

remedialaction replied to your post

Yes, we get it, you’re a centrist with no logical consistency.

so i go to this website, not even having a good time to begin with, and you come on my blog and call me a centrist with your own two stumpy hands

mitigatedchaos

Obviously you just need to go up several tiers of Centrism and seek world conquest under your new radical centrist government.  No one will see it coming, because all centrists are boring wishy-washies, right?

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bogleech
bogleech

The people who complain about things like a female doctor who or female Jedi or whatever almost always swear up and down that they don’t mind the idea of a woman in that role, but then say they have a problem with that particular instance because they think it’s “pandering” or “cheap” or “just for brownie points” or “politically correct”

So when exactly is it not going to be those things? If they say there’s a time and place they’d be fine with it, then when and where? Why does it never seem to come?

mitigatedchaos

Remember that post about how a black reverse Indiana Jones would be great because it would “piss off white guys”?

They know it’s just culture war to take over stuff they currently have for its symbolic value.  

If it weren’t just culture war, then it would be about the creation of new media, new stories, rather than insisting “nope, this guy looks too much like you, and you oppress people just by existing, so he must be removed.”

There is already a good test case to differentiate.   

Look for people who objected to the idea of a black stormtrooper as a main character in the new Star Wars.  As a new Star Wars movie, it wasn’t replacing anyone from the previous movies, therefore you can assume more bad faith of the people who were against having Finn there.  (Also the movie is actually enjoyable in itself and the acting was fine.)

Also, they know this sort of stuff only goes one way.

Also also, recall that criticism of the new Ghostbusters that flopped was, to a degree, socially prohibited because it was “girl power!”.  But it still flopped.  Why wouldn’t a lot of people be suspicious?

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thathopeyetlives
thathopeyetlives

If we could just get these “incels” off of the internet and out of the cities they could be vastly happier and less degraded

mitigatedchaos

I think “get them off the internet” is doing a lot of work in that sentence…

thathopeyetlives

I do not understand what you mean by that. I mean exactly what I said. 

mitigatedchaos

@drethelin

“Out of the cities” ? Do you really think people who spend their time watching anime and playing video games are more likely to find people they like in far less densely populated places?

Or is this just another case of “these people would be so much happier if they just had different preferences”

It would actually be possible for them to shift some of their preferences a bit, most likely, but it would require an enormous amount of work, as hidden in the task of “getting them off the internet” - no easy feat!

And by the time you did that, they’d be less likely to be incels.  

gendpol
nocherrybombs
nocherrybombs

Why did the early 2000s neocons think we could export liberal democracy to the Middle East? We can’t even export liberal democracy to the United States.

mitigatedchaos

Once you drink too much of certain variants of Liberalism, you start assuming that Liberal Democracy is the natural condition of mankind and once the restraints are removed, it will naturally emerge and take root, along with economic development.

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