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ranma-official
oligopsonoia

I understand the arguments for giving nazis free speech, and indeed, at least as far as the us state is concerned, I’m in favor of it being content-neutrally restrained from infringing on political advocacy of almost any kind

but I can’t get too high and mighty about this, because it isn’t my bottom line. if I thought that nazism had a chance of taking real political power I’d endorse it being banned, its leaders extrajudicially shot in the middle of the night, and before rather than after it got too large

what’s the worst that can come of abandoning free speech? let’s say a corrupt authoritarian government with policies I don’t like. Is this a price worth paying if it were the price? yeah, sure. Dollfuß is obviously better than Hitler, Carol is obviously better than Codreanu, Horthy obviously better than Szalasi, etc. obviously we can and should want to aim higher but the whole “banning nazis makes you as bad as nazis” thing doesn’t even apply among right-wing dictatorships, and “how much risk is too much?” is obviously a hard to quantify and partially empirical question

ranma-official

my counterpoint to any argument from “how much worse could it be?” is “you are not imaginative enough”.

oligopsonoia

that’s true, but trivially so for all decision horns, isn’t it?

ranma-official

if you make a law that says “literally zero human rights apply to any nazi, because nazis are uniquely bad”, the first thing everyone will start doing is try to expand the definition of “nazi”.

your theoretical question is “just get rid of freedom of speech, how bad can it be?“ and my response is “really fucking bad my dude”.

imagine: the worst possible authoritarian government but they’re not calling themselves nazis.

yes, worse than nazis. Hitler had to rely on people snitching who is and isn’t a Jew. the American government knows the exact shade of my nipples

oligopsonoia

okay, my phrasing earlier “what’s the worst that can happen?” obviously invited this kind of response.

it would be better to speak of the worst plausible consequences that flow from accepting strong versions of the pro-free-speech argument: hence, a government that is extremely corrupt, authoritarian, etc. it having a teleological drive to be as bad as possible is compatible with this but much less a foreseeable consequence; and we can see this by the fact that strong free speech protections are relatively rare but fantastical dystopias are even rarer.

ranma-official

I’m drawing a path from no free speech to fantastical dystopias for a reason here. Taking away free speech is specifically a catalyst because it prevents people from criticizing other authoritarian policies that get implemented. Authoritarianism opens the door to more authoritarianism.

And, unlike imminent Nazi takeovers of entire countries, this is actually happening.

mitigatedchaos

It’s why I don’t trust any kind of Communism that doesn’t start with a small voluntary settlement and expand outwards nonviolently because people just like it that much.  

Revolutionary Communists don’t believe in free speech, not just in the sense of free speech as a human right, but even in the sense of “removing free speech is exceptionally dangerous”.  The first thing that will happen is the forcible shutting down of all outside criticism, which will lead to the shutting down of real internal criticism.  Freed from feedback to prevent it from going off the rails, whatever Communist body was created to bring about the Revolution will then do terrible things.

the red hammer

Village in the Forest

We return to the edges of the city of Flatsville, Arkowa.  

After a long period of decline, having overbuilt their infrastructure, the nearby suburb of Littelton has gone bankrupt.  Previously, the state legislature gave our Metropolitan Planning Authority enormous power, and Flatsville status as a Special Economic Zone.  Now they are demanding we Do Something about this before it hits the state news and becomes a scandal to be exploited by the Opposition Party.

@mailadreapta

Mmmkay, and how long does it take to make that moss grow?

Realistically these walls will look like this:

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Which is not something I want surrounding my village.

solwardenclyffe

You could always install garden trays along the walls.

After reviewing Littelton’s finances, the MPA discovered that it was less costly (over the long term) to simply abandon the old town and move the residents into new quads in Flatsville.  A truck has been sent to go gather Littelton’s ‘famous’ town bell.

We want our incoming suburbanites to feel safe and comfortable, so we build a 3m tall brick wall around the inner residential area of our quad.  It has 4 wide vehicle entrances which are well lit and have security cameras, and an additional 8 pedestrian entrances which close at night.  

Rather than hide the buildings from the city, as in Milton Keynes, we partially hide the wall and the city from the buildings, with a ring of tree cover which functions as a park, with a loop of bicycle path around the inner development.  Additional park elements along the path will be added later.

Placement of our building lots also occludes the view straight through the quad.  More organic arrangements of lots could be used, but a simple square grid with central park will suffice for now.

On the interior, narrow streets encourage foot traffic, with a ring of single-lane, one-way street with wide sidewalks for vehicles to load and unload and for access by emergency vehicles.  (MPA parks planners are still fighting over just whose park will be demolished to add New Littelton’s parking lots.)

As with the other quads, the outer ring is mixed use (including commercial, residential, and light industrial), while the inner area is residential.  Some small shops on the outside, with better access to traffic, can thus be easily walked to from within the central ring.

one thousand villages urban planning
disexplications
argumate

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a badder guy with a gun.

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a bad guy with a bigger gun.

The only thing that can stop a nice guy with a gun is the friend zone, apparently.

rendakuenthusiast

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is agents of the state monopoly on legitimate violence, who have legitimate-violence-guns.

argumate

If guns are outlawed by the state asserting a monopoly on the use of force, then only outlaws and agents of the state whose sworn duty is to oppose outlaws will have guns.

disexplications

If states are outlawed, only outlaws will have states

mitigatedchaos

You’re memeing, but, like, Anarchism.

Source: argumate politics
Here’s an alternate layout, from dividing a 900m area into three parts. Cozy, isn’t it? Our rowhouses from earlier are 400sqm (4,300 sqft), so we can double up on them (as in the middle) without too much trouble.
But this might be too small. We...

Here’s an alternate layout, from dividing a 900m area into three parts.  Cozy, isn’t it?  Our rowhouses from earlier are 400sqm (4,300 sqft), so we can double up on them (as in the middle) without too much trouble.

But this might be too small.  We wanted to adequately secure our village nestled in the city so that suburbanites would move to it, but this area isn’t large enough to be comfortable chilling in with edge friction, and outsiders will likely walk right through it frequently.  This doesn’t get us enough edge on driving down bleedover crime from the commercial areas on the mixed-use outer ring.  It does look pretty, though.

one thousand villages urban planning
the-grey-tribe

Worst-Case Minarchism

the-grey-tribe

The idea that the government is not evil and incompetent… yet. The higher up you go, the more the risks of bad government get skewed. At low levels and in local government, evil bureaucrats are commonplace and we must live with them. At the top, they are black swan events: Rare but disastrous.

You need to limit the power of any future crazed despot. vindictive bureaucrat, law firm with deep pockets and too much time on their hands, corrupt sheriff, or rogue analyst abusing his security clearance to pick a stock portfolio.

mitigatedchaos

I thought that was pretty clearly what many Libertarians are running around on, or close to it?