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I still haven’t really discussed cultural transmission and the role of national mythology as much as I probably should.

I keep meaning to make a post about cultural transmission and assimilation but I hesitate because I don’t want to bother making the visual aids that I want to go along with it.

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Ideological Spread with Nationalist Characteristics

I was half-joking when I suggested that I’d use the statue controversy to remark on how to carry out an imperialistic foreign policy.

But I was half-serious as well.


Nationalism is one of the main drivers of imperialist foreign policy, but it is also one of the primary forms of opposition to the same.

Consider, however, an Empire with a different plan - it wants to spread not its people, nor, per se, its culture, but its ideology.  (It may not even consider itself an Empire.)

The thing to do with Nationalist sentiments in other countries, then, is to merge and entangle them with the ideology to be installed (or rather, instilled).  For each country, an adapted version of your ideology, fit more closely to the local needs and patterns.  Not all countries need to be exactly the same.  This allows you to deflect some of the popular will away from direct opposition to your imposed form of government.

This is actually part of why Democracy has had what success it has in its acts of imperialism.  (And yes, Democracy as an ideology has a bit of a habit of imperialism, though a lot of that has been driven by America.)

How to interweave them?

Take elements of the local culture that are aesthetic or which are not in opposition to your ideology, and make them official and protected.  (For instance, you probably want people to be timely, so if being chronically late is one of the local things, you need to get rid of that.  On the other hand, architectural style can generally vary without crushing the GDP.)  Pick various writers, historical works, and so on.  Tie your ideology into the history of the region, as part of its self-narrative.  Elevate local historical thinkers that can be described as proto-your-ideology.  Build statues of locals that exemplify the positive qualities you want your ideology to represent.

You must create a new national mythology as a legitimization for the new government.

Over time, if executed well, your transplanted ideology will become part of the socially legitimized history of the country and thus gain the protection that affords.

In the meantime, most countries you could conceivably do this in are going to be relatively underdeveloped.  Take advantage of the physical security you can manage to impose in order to pursue a long-term program of development.  

Borrow a page from Milton Keynes and have the price of the development paid for by speculating on the values of the land to be developed.  If you don’t drop the ball on this, the country is going to undergo a 7-10% annual rate of economic growth for some years.  Investors would normally be skittish due to concerns about corruption and physical security, but you have the power to calm those risks.

The development doesn’t have to take place across the whole country, but a critical mass is needed so that future development will be self-propelling, and local talent must be trained (in your universities) so that it can continue to operate in the future.


Now I know this sounds incredibly expensive, and of course it is, but the goal here is to turn those countries permanently to your ideology and increase your ideology’s share of total global resource output - and that is, in itself, very valuable.  

(Also, your pension funds can ride that 7-10% annual growth as your corporations are able to buy up assets at low prices.)

It also requires a great deal of political will.  Will that, in Afghanistan and Iraq, America did not have.  

The simultaneous cowardice, foolhardiness, and ignorance of the American political establishment and voters made for a military campaign that was not only highly aggressive, but failed to accomplish all that much for all the blood it spilled.

Something more ideologically imperialistic that sought to convert Iraq and Afghanistan into true, developed democracies, with all the basic underpinnings that required, would have been better.  Alternatively, not going at all would have many advantages.  Instead we get the worst of both worlds - a willingness to invade without a willingness to see a conversion through to the end, fueled by the naive belief that liberal democracy is the natural state of humanity and will flourish in all soils if it is simply unleashed.


There are, of course, far crueler ways to expand dominion if one has different goals.  I will not go over them here.  The age of such empires is over, now, and for the better.

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The Canadian experience is that it’s very hard to care about Columbus discourse but you still see almost as much of it you would if you were an American.

It’s an incredibly annoying topic because it transparently has nothing whatsoever to do with Columbus – the pro side just uplifts him as an avatar of American mythology, but despite their fixation on enumerating the (actual, serious) evils Columbus committed, the anti side also only cares about him in that capacity, it’s just that they propound a competing mythology where America is evil. (This is a far more accurate mythology, but that owes less to the wisdom of the American left than the fact that classifying any large, powerful nation as evil has a fantastic ROC curve.) Not even the people whose ancestors were killed by Columbus care about Columbus specifically! He’s a stand-in for genocidal American colonialism on the whole.

Anyway, this is bothersome because the putative issue of “let’s not honour Columbus since he sucks” is trivially solved by replacing him with a better avatar of positive American mythology. It’d be pretty easy to get bipartisan support with a good alternative! It’s not like with Washington; nobody is really that attached to the guy. However, the kind of people criticizing Columbus don’t want to do that because their actual goal is to dismantle positive American mythology entirely, so the entire thing is just this obnoxiously indirect parable about the moral worth of America staged using a Columbus hand-puppet. Just talk about America directly and stop beating around the bush! (While I disagree with their political takes more often than not, @mitigatedchaos​ had a similar comment about Lee today that was fairly on-point.)

mitigatedchaos

Oh, just wait until I tie it into how to carry out a form of expansionistic foreign policy.  You’ll regret posting this then.

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Anonymous asked:

Arguably, crime syndicates are better positioned than corporations to live up to the responsibility that their power demands. Just a question of finding a mob boss with enough loyalty to the locale.

And thus, our dear local anon suggests the establishment of Anarcho-Mafiaism.

Reactionary, or avant-garde Progressive?

We leave it to our readers to decide.

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So I guess in theory you could carve out an exception allowing nonconsensual human sacrifice on religious grounds. That seems like sort of s major loophole.

mitigatedchaos

In practice, it would be deemed a fake, rather than real, religious conviction, since the religion would be too new or not have enough popular support.

…or else it would undermine state power, and so the actors in the system would be forced to change it.

Naturally, I don’t believe in pure freedom of religion.

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glarthir asked:

Hey, this might sound like a stupid or facetious question, but is there really any difference between crime syndicates and "legitimate" capitalist governments? Both have been/are involved in violence, extortion, drug trafficking, etc. and neither of them are immune to corruption, or even resistant to it. Neither of these provide justice for everyone in their sphere of influence, only certain people. Am I completely off? I can't be the first to wonder about this.

quoms answered:

obviously yes there are differences, but if what you’re asking is are those differences categorical then basically no, states and mafias are (or can be) more or less divergent versions of the same type of system

i would point to scale as a significant factor here. when something is the size of most states it doesn’t make sense to run it like a mafia anymore; states that operate on the same basis of personal relationships, patronage, and rent extraction as mafias do (lacking, in effect, the professional bureaucracy and rule of law characteristic of modern states) tend not to be regarded as especially well-functioning

conversely, however, mafias tend to be very good at providing passable ‘state’ services on the local level, either in communities that have slipped through the cracks of the state or where the state has ceased to exist altogether (as in a civil war context)

kontextmaschine

I’d endorse this, my feeling is generally that a mafia is just a government that hasn’t achieved hegemony, there’s been some decent theorizing of this under Olson’s notion of governments as “stationary bandits” if you’re interested

I think debating “is this ‘government’” as a noun can get into all sorts of weird edge cases - is a “government in exile” with an intact structure that doesn’t particularly govern anything at the moment still a “government”? In a feudal situation where lords, guilds, merchant families, and a church are all understood to have the ability to extract resources and dictate social terms backed by violence by men bearing their symbols, which of these are governments?

Is a tribal council less “government” than a Westphalian state? Does the answer depend on formal mechanisms of power and succession? Does it depend on continuity across generations? Does it depend on the ability to project power beyond its boundaries? Does “government” have to correspond to “boundaries” in the first place?

But as a verb, yeah, states and mafias govern with the same tools and dynamics

mitigatedchaos

I tend to object to the question, as generally the purpose is not to achieve a clearer understanding, but as a form of objection from Anarchists who cannot adequately defend territory, hoping to undermine state power.

As such, it tends to make things less rather than more clear, in my opinion.

All holding of territory depends on the ability to wield force, as does, effectively, all property.  Anarchists tend to start arguing “the state are just glorified bandits!” in an attempt to legitimize their proposed alternatives, but their proposed alternatives either will not function (due to lack of force), or have most of the same “issues” they complain about.

The Libertarians and AnCaps have it backwards.  Property is something you implement on top of a framework of force and security, it does not precede that framework.  (I’ve seen one try to get around this by arguing absolute causal ownership of the self, but anyone with human experience should be able to tell you that’s bullshit.)

And the Anarcho-Communists are willing to use all the tools of state-like violence they claim to be against, ignore the side-effects of their policies, and so on, so long as it’s informal.  Give the power to the mob, and you haven’t eliminated the state.  You’ve just made a mob-state.

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