Oceans Yet to Burn

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[argumate]

dudebro is just a terrible word for any kind of progressive purpose given that it entirely concedes masculinity to the opposition.

[blackblocberniebros]

I think we’re more than prepared to concede masculinity to the opposition. What redeeming qualities does it have? Everything I’ve seen masculinity be is aggression, envy, or pride, all of which are, uh, mortal sins.

[mitigatedchaos]

…are you joking?

Or have you just already defined masculinity as everything you hate?

If it turns out that a significant number of straight women actually like masculine men and haven’t been brainwashed into it, what is your plan?  

How can a male build a healthy self-identity if to be male is nothing more than to be a flawed woman?

[obiternihili]

In that last line, being male and being a Man™ are different things. You can be male or female and you can be you by having your own goddamn identity and thinking for yourself instead of bullying the sick weak nerdy kid into it for not conforming to some arbitrary set of interests

like I might disagree with bbb on this because being a real man to me is just being an adult. But being a Man™ or even the subset of Men™, the dudebro - is giving up defining my own identity and giving up making maturity, not interests or the way I express myself, the performative element.

dudebro was pretty much always meant to refer the kinds of people we think of as stereotypical frat boys anyways. Dumbasses who don’t give a shit about consent or abuse or anything like that except fucking people ±over. That’s not being a man. That’s being garbage.

And if a lot of women are attracted to abuse, why? And are we sure? Are we sure underlying factors aren’t distorting the really important values?

And like if definitions differ definitions differ. Get over it. The line beginning with “Or” is not actually a point however smugly it’s phrased.

[mitigatedchaos]

Have you considered that maybe it’s your conception of masculinity which is very narrow and culturally limited, here?  

There is more than one way to be masculine and exploring and normalizing new masculinities could be very helpful (and still attractive to cishet women and thus not self-erasing on the long-term).  Conceding masculinity to the opposition is a terrible idea.

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[argumate]

dudebro is just a terrible word for any kind of progressive purpose given that it entirely concedes masculinity to the opposition.

[blackblocberniebros]

I think we’re more than prepared to concede masculinity to the opposition. What redeeming qualities does it have? Everything I’ve seen masculinity be is aggression, envy, or pride, all of which are, uh, mortal sins.

[mitigatedchaos]

…are you joking?

Or have you just already defined masculinity as everything you hate?

If it turns out that a significant number of straight women actually like masculine men and haven’t been brainwashed into it, what is your plan?  

How can a male build a healthy self-identity if to be male is nothing more than to be a flawed woman?

[blackblocberniebros]

I don’t think people should build self-identities as men or women. I think they’re stifling. The notion that because I was born with a penis I should want to cultivate A traits and not B traits is silly to me. Let boys play with dolls if they want and let girls play with trucks if they want. Let men be tender, let women be slobs. None of this should mean they’re not doing a good job at being a complete person.

These conversations always get so abstract so tell me what you think masculinity and femininity are and I’ll explain what I dislike.

[mitigatedchaos]

Masculinity and Femininity are a partially socially-constructed, partially biological phenomenon.

Essentially, gendered trait distribution resembles two overlapping bell curves, controlled by hormonal levels at key points in development, along with genes, epigenetics, and environmental factors.

Pre-natal testosterone levels - in females, not just males - track with later toy preferences for mechanical/systems toys vs social ones.  While the effects of sex hormones are not simple, they are very much not a placebo.

Society then layers its gender roles on top of this, driven in part by previous economies and incentives that may no longer exist.  Often it exaggerates, or essentializes, and so for this reason people go “well dresses are obviously not biological and not all people like the assigned roles, therefore male and female are exactly the same and all apparent differences are caused by societal brainwashing.”

So we might think of masculine/feminine as the axis of opposition for gendered traits.  (Intelligence does not appear to be one of these traits, as the center point seems to be the same.)  Alternatively, we might think of it as the center points of the respective bell curves.

It’s important to remember, however, that the masculine woman and the feminine man are both legitimate, as well as various other mixes on more than one trait.  Humans are complicated and biology is quite noisy and also complicated.  But the clustering is still real.

The issue with your plan is that cishets seem to actually want someone who differs on the gender axes from them in that masc/femme way in terms of their attraction (which they don’t consciously control), and the idea that we’ll abolish gender and not have them identify as the labeled gender clumps associated with their respective sexes (cishets in specific) in the name of some modern idea of liberation… well I’m confident that won’t work out very well.

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[argumate]

dudebro is just a terrible word for any kind of progressive purpose given that it entirely concedes masculinity to the opposition.

[blackblocberniebros]

I think we’re more than prepared to concede masculinity to the opposition. What redeeming qualities does it have? Everything I’ve seen masculinity be is aggression, envy, or pride, all of which are, uh, mortal sins.

[mitigatedchaos]

…are you joking?

Or have you just already defined masculinity as everything you hate?

If it turns out that a significant number of straight women actually like masculine men and haven’t been brainwashed into it, what is your plan?  

How can a male build a healthy self-identity if to be male is nothing more than to be a flawed woman?

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[powerburial]

getting random sharp pain in your organs is a lot like when your check engine light comes on in your car. you dont know what it means so you just ignore it and hope you dont blow up

[thathopeyetlives]

I thought it meant that you get out the CANbus analyzer and read the error logs in all the control units to figure out what exactly is wrong. 

[mitigatedchaos]

I, too, look forward to Transhumanist cybernetic implants that monitor my health status and can tell me I’m definitely not having a heart attack.

:)

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[bpd-anon]

I think of my friends as the correct gender identity even if I met them before they came out. However, my mind feels super sure that all my friends and associates who knew me before I came out still think of me as a woman and it feels awful and there’s no way to confirm or deny they aren’t just being polite

[mitigatedchaos]

Would it make you feel less awful if they told you they do still think of you that way subconsciously after you asked, instead of just being polite?

(For my part I read all your posts with the voice of that SU character you have as your avatar.)

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

@ranma-official

“Of course,” said the moderate, as the ethnic violence increased in the country and multi-generational child sex trafficking rings set up in the cities, “some may die, but isn’t our vision of a tolerant and diverse society worth it?”

: /

I know, this is very deeply uncharitable of me.  Something about this latest attack has me on edge.  I think it’s that I see a path from here to ethnic tension criticality in England, which, with the previous attacks being a cycle of terrorism vs military campaigns, I didn’t.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

Anonymous asked:

Now watch as everyone who played down the last van/stabbing assault play up this one, or try to, at least.

diarrheaworldstarhiphop answered:

[mitigatedchaos]

:/

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

If the State fails its duty to ensure the security of the citizens, if it will not actually ensure that it has a true monopoly on violence within its territory, IT WILL LOSE ITS LEGITIMACY.

A ‘retaliatory’ van attack by a white guy is survivable for the government, if this isn’t a sign of a coming pattern in which this picks up.  The government needs to put its foot down hard NOW and crush the origin of the Muslim van attacks somehow or else things are going to get very bloody later.  If the UK gets a wave of tit-for-tat sectarian vehicular homicide, each new one is going to erode public faith in the government’s hold on the territory, causing the next wave of marginally-most-vulnerable-to-radicalization to become radicalized (as they judge “no one will protect me”) and initiate the next attack until armed militias form.

fuck

All this talk about open borders and the marginal dude is okay and so on… the tail risk end is civil war.

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[diarrheaworldstarhiphop]

JUST ANOTHER DAY LIVING IN PART AND PARCEL LONDON

[mitigatedchaos]

Had to check the date on that. Apparently this happened outside of a mosque. No word on whether it’s sectarian or if it’s “revenge” for previous truck attacks by Muslims.

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ammonia-arsonist asked:

Good fucking lord are you delusional. I hope when you finally wake from whatever mindset you're in, you feel shame. And here's an idea: ad hominem responses get neither side of an argument or debate anywhere. Quit using them. I'd reblog that other post to say this but I don't want you in any of my posts.

mutant-aesthetic answered:

You are 16.

[mitigatedchaos]

That last sentence is interesting, since it implies some weird purity thing. Is there a left-Tumblr thing that autoblocks/harasses anyone who dares to reblog The Enemy?