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ranma-official
ranma-official

Socialist countries have a really bad track record of human rights abuses and a strange set of failings that are either specific to them or unusually prominent compared to the general zeitgeist, so you can draw decent conclusions like “don’t break systems a lot of people depend on, just cuz” and “freedom of press is actually really important” and “science shouldn’t be controlled by the state’s ideology ever”


instead people realize that Marx was wrong about something and the Soviet Union killed people and then go become tankies but for capitalism

isaacsapphire

I guess the real question is, “is it possible to avoid these known horrible bugs in Communism/socialism, or is it time to go look for something else and try to make that work?”

The vast majority of Communists I’ve encountered in person or online don’t seem to be trying to avoid the known problems. They either ignore/don’t know/pretend to not know about the historical issues, or they consider eg. genocide a feature rather than a bug.

ranma-official

It’s certainly possible to try avoiding​ these bugs, or dramatically improve the current social order, or to try and build some other system entirely, but then/instead you get people like @redbloodedamerica openly​ celebrating fucked up shit because capitalism is good and cool and therefore bonded labor is good and cool also, hence, tankies but for capitalism.

mitigatedchaos

Anarchists say they’re against it, but I’ve never seen them lay out how they would prevent it from happening except to claim they wouldn’t have a state - but Catalonia had death squads, perhaps not Stalin-tier death squads, but apparently it did have them. I think the way to socialism now, the way to actually convince people, is to stop telling people to embrace a Communist revolution and instead buy up a huge tract of land in a country with a weak central government and demonstrate a real, working, unoppressive, prosperous model.

I don’t actually think they have that model, so I don’t see myself supporting Communism over Boring Welfare Capitalism any time soon.

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argumate
argumate

my dream is to be cited by Vox as “Tumblr teen argumate”

disexplications

It is also my dream to be cited by Vox as “Tumblr teen argumate”

argumate

the confusingly obscure nature of the Tumblr reblog makes this a virtual certainty

mitigatedchaos

> in which both @argumate and @disexplications are cited by Vox as @ranma-official, who is described as a teenager living in Atlanta, Georgia

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angel-ani

To all y'all liberal kids that are getting icky feelings about punching Nazis and other forms of violent protest:

Voldemort was taken down by a left wing anti-fascist group of radicals that used militant violence against the government.

Darth Vader was taken down by a left wing anti-fascist group of radicals that used militant violence against the government.

Jeanine Matthews and the Eurydice faction were taken down by a left wing anti-fascist group of radicals that used militant violence against the government.

President Snow and the government of Panem were taken down by a left wing anti-fascist group of radicals that used militant violence against the government.

The Homeworld Gems were stopped from destroying Earth by a left wing anti-fascist group of radicals that used militant violence against the government.

I mean damn. One Piece, Bleach, Ghost in the Shell, we can stretch it and say The Silmarillion, Eragon, The Chronicles of Narnia, Animorphs, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Voltron, I could probably name more if I had time, all this has in common is that the bad dudes with power WILL NOT GIVE THEIR POWER UP. EVER. It had to be TAKEN from them.

If y'all can understand this and relate to fictional characters, why can’t you do this to your fellow humans in real life?? Y'all are supporting the Death Eaters, the Empire, the bad guys you say you hate. Get your priorities in order. Get over that “Non-violence” bullshit.

I never saw Princess Leia shake hands with the Sith.

silvershewolf247

Where’s the picture, one of my followers has to have it. @klubbhead @jetpack-jenny

klubbhead

I’m on mobile dammit

mister-christmas

The difference was all those baddies INITIATED the violence. Here, you’re the one initiating violence which makes you the baddies.

angel-ani

Hi yes umm the presence of a Nazi/fascist is an inherently violent act. Someone saying stuff like “I want a white enthnostate!” Or “[insert type of person] aren’t really human!” IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE.

The existence of Nazis is violence
The existence of white nationalists is violence

The antifa or any other group protesting the Nazis are a reactionary force. They would not exist if the Nazis didn’t exist, but they do so here we are.

The violence has already been initiated. These Nazis and fascists are killing people, are taking away rights, they’ve infiltrated police and government, they want people DEAD.

The violence is already here, and if you cannot/will not see that, you are complicit.

mister-christmas

Words are not violence. Opinions are not violence. Nazis existing is not violence. The fact that you believe those qualify as violence tells me you’re either a troll or delusional and in either case having any kind of rational discussion will be a fruitless endeavor. Though I am curious what you’ll try to pass off as examples of Nazis and fascists killing people or taking away rights in the U.S. and what bullshit CNN article you’ll try to use as evidence.

angel-ani

Words lead to physical violence. Also, these people don’t stop at words, they stab people, they take away peoples rights, they murder and destroy lives. That’s violence. If we tolerate the existence of fascism, we allow it to grow and infect others. We are complicit in the violence to come. Also, I’m at work and on mobile, so I can’t hunt for sources right now, but give me a few hours, I’ll post some later tonight.

hannah-ananas

Jesus christ how do people think these fictional facist powers rose? With ‘charm’, guile, with WORDS. Theyre posion-tongued bastards that are trying to weasel their way into power. They know that if they start with all their views than they’ll be shunned right off the bat. So they sugarcoat it, they say its just their opinion, that theyre just exercising their right to free speech. It starts small and it depends on people like you @mister-christmas saying that theyre not doing anything wrong. Excusing their behaviour and, in the process condoning it, until its too late. Until theyve seized power and they can start to do what you qualify as violent acts. Get over yourself you milquetoast motherfucker.

neeetsocks

WHY ARE WHITES LIKE THIS OH GOD

death-drive-128

Don’t you have drugs to sell and police officers to bribe, neetsocks?

neeetsocks

*white person voice* omg thats something only voldemort would say

manicgothicoctopi

@angel-ani

“Ghost in the Shell” a series based around an elite police unit stopping terrorist and dealing with political/intelligence conspiracies is somehow “radical antifa story” doesn’t this go against the whole ACAB shit antifa spews out? Or let me guess you only saw the live action film.

mitigatedchaos

Yes, must’ve been the live-action one, “left-wing anti-fascist radicals“ is not how I would describe a group of paramilitary counter-terrorist cyborgs that report only to the Prime Minister.

Of course, that isn’t the real problem here.

The real problem is the citing of fictional evidence by which liberal society feeds its own mythology about democracy, justice, tolerance, acceptance, and so on back to itself.

Yes, mythology, dear readers.  The way Hitler is treated, the way World War 2 is treated, is not as a historical study but as the founding mythology for the post-war order.  That doesn’t mean that Hitler was a good man - he wasn’t - but he’s essentially treated as a borderline supernatural adversary figure with an inverse halo effect.

As for the OP and some of the others, true White Nationalists are not anywhere close to obtaining real political power in the United States, unless you do definitional game-playing that essentially amounts to lying.  However, every AntiFa dumbass out there hitting people with bike locks, pepper-spraying bitcoin hat wearers, and so on, is contributing to an increase in White Nationalism.  

Normally, the White Nationalists don’t have much to offer.  Normally, of course, when you don’t brand every single voter for a rival presidential candidate as “Fascist” and then say “we need to kill all Fascists” and a few people are stupid enough to take both seriously.

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argumate

people in Melbourne regularly ask me where I am from, which causes a slight degree of difficulty if I answer “Melbourne”.

the real question is “tell me your life story and the saga of your ancestors”, but you know I’m just trying to buy socks in this exchange.

mitigatedchaos

Having forgotten his Discourse Keyboard, the owl struggled to explain that the native range of Tyto Alba includes all of Australia and Tasmania, but the nuance of his argument was interpreted as little more than a confusing series of hoots by his interlocutors.  After refusing an offer of a small rodent, he retreated to his apartment in frustration, tiny owl socks unpurchased.

People make this assumption at times in the United States as well, depending on accent, frequency of tourists and international students matching the general appearance in the area, local demographics, etc.

I suspect the deeper version will die off as visible race is turned into fashion near the end of the century.

industrialangel

Who do you think you are to make a reference like this, some kind of guardian?

mitigatedchaos

If one is creative enough, one can reference scenes they’ve never heard of from movies they’ve never seen, books they’ve never read, mangas they’ve never written.

Or maybe I really am from the alternate timeline and I’ve just been ripping off video games and movies that will never exist, Super Love Love Demon Battle included.

The proof, using advanced Time Cycle Theory, is left as an exercise for the reader.

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