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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna
the-grey-tribe
thathopeyetlives

Like, if the voucher system has bad results, then its bad (at least in the present context). If charter schools don’t turn out well, then they don’t and they shouldn’t get funding. 

But I’m still pretty disturbed by the way that many left-wing people seem to treat any attempt to provide alternatives to conventional public schools as some kind of aggression against the continued existence of an education system. 

(There’s meanwhile an attitude among some generally red-tribe right wingers that ~~(neo)Liberal Elites~~ send their children to expensive elite-gifted private schools where they don’t have to deal with how horrible the public schools are – and “horrible” often means “ill-managed”, not just “ill-funded”. Meanwhile, there is no fundamental reason why mass private schooling could not be a thing.)

isaacsapphire

“Left wing” aka Dems for purposes of this discussion, are, I’m pretty sure, thoroughly purchased by the teachers unions, which warps the market significantly.

collapsedsquid

Yes, that is totally it, and not all the fiasco that’s happened with for-profit higher education or the fact that turning any government program into a grant is the first step of starving it to death, or any one of a dozen of other reasons.

mitigatedchaos

So what you’re saying is, if I were technocratic dictator and enacted a voucher policy, it would be fine, since it would not actually be the first step towards killing public education.

Just kidding, I’d radically restructure the whole system in such a way that the bulk of marginal political will for vouchers would coincidentally evaporate.

the-grey-tribe

I went to a high school that was created before the fall of the Iron Curtain to turn gifted children of trusted citizens into scientists and engineers.
The schizophrenic stance of progressive governments to create more comprehensive schools while simultaneously claiming education is the future must be grating. Nobody really believes that we need any bakers, butchers, farmers, plumbers, carpenters, or locksmiths.
I guess that’s why people IRL dismiss any and all of my thoughts on education policy.

mitigatedchaos

Who wants to be any of those things when they don’t pay enough money (or else are tough to get into) and housing prices are rising out of control due to bad policy backed by bad politics?

the-grey-tribe

Who wants to go to a comprehensive school that pays lip service to the idea that intelligentsia and working class go there together, but actually there are no working class jobs and you’re fucked if you don’t get a university degree?
Why even bother with all this inclusion? Why have comprehensive schools at all in this environment?

mitigatedchaos

Does America have comprehensive schools in that sense? From what I’ve seen, talking about how the school includes blue collar elements is the lip service, and those programs are being cut.

But then, I come from a background where my formative high school years were in a school district that educated professionals moved to to raise their kids in a good school district.

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thathopeyetlives

Like, if the voucher system has bad results, then its bad (at least in the present context). If charter schools don’t turn out well, then they don’t and they shouldn’t get funding. 

But I’m still pretty disturbed by the way that many left-wing people seem to treat any attempt to provide alternatives to conventional public schools as some kind of aggression against the continued existence of an education system. 

(There’s meanwhile an attitude among some generally red-tribe right wingers that ~~(neo)Liberal Elites~~ send their children to expensive elite-gifted private schools where they don’t have to deal with how horrible the public schools are – and “horrible” often means “ill-managed”, not just “ill-funded”. Meanwhile, there is no fundamental reason why mass private schooling could not be a thing.)

isaacsapphire

“Left wing” aka Dems for purposes of this discussion, are, I’m pretty sure, thoroughly purchased by the teachers unions, which warps the market significantly.

collapsedsquid

Yes, that is totally it, and not all the fiasco that’s happened with for-profit higher education or the fact that turning any government program into a grant is the first step of starving it to death, or any one of a dozen of other reasons.

mitigatedchaos

So what you’re saying is, if I were technocratic dictator and enacted a voucher policy, it would be fine, since it would not actually be the first step towards killing public education.

Just kidding, I’d radically restructure the whole system in such a way that the bulk of marginal political will for vouchers would coincidentally evaporate.

the-grey-tribe

I went to a high school that was created before the fall of the Iron Curtain to turn gifted children of trusted citizens into scientists and engineers.
The schizophrenic stance of progressive governments to create more comprehensive schools while simultaneously claiming education is the future must be grating. Nobody really believes that we need any bakers, butchers, farmers, plumbers, carpenters, or locksmiths.
I guess that’s why people IRL dismiss any and all of my thoughts on education policy.

mitigatedchaos

Who wants to be any of those things when they don’t pay enough money (or else are tough to get into) and housing prices are rising out of control due to bad policy backed by bad politics?

Source: thathopeyetlives
collapsedsquid
mitigatedchaos

Well, you realize the marginal political will for vouchers is being driven by public schools’ inability to either punish or exclude problem students, right?

There’s some demand for homeschooling or religious schooling, but it isn’t what’s driving it at the margins.

collapsedsquid

Yup, those parents gotta take their kids away from the blacks and the poors. Fortunately there’ll be no blowback there.

mitigatedchaos

Ah yes, there are no actual problems, just bigotry…

Source: thathopeyetlives
collapsedsquid
thathopeyetlives

Like, if the voucher system has bad results, then its bad (at least in the present context). If charter schools don’t turn out well, then they don’t and they shouldn’t get funding. 

But I’m still pretty disturbed by the way that many left-wing people seem to treat any attempt to provide alternatives to conventional public schools as some kind of aggression against the continued existence of an education system. 

(There’s meanwhile an attitude among some generally red-tribe right wingers that ~~(neo)Liberal Elites~~ send their children to expensive elite-gifted private schools where they don’t have to deal with how horrible the public schools are – and “horrible” often means “ill-managed”, not just “ill-funded”. Meanwhile, there is no fundamental reason why mass private schooling could not be a thing.)

isaacsapphire

“Left wing” aka Dems for purposes of this discussion, are, I’m pretty sure, thoroughly purchased by the teachers unions, which warps the market significantly.

collapsedsquid

Yes, that is totally it, and not all the fiasco that’s happened with for-profit higher education or the fact that turning any government program into a grant is the first step of starving it to death, or any one of a dozen of other reasons.

mitigatedchaos

So what you’re saying is, if I were technocratic dictator and enacted a voucher policy, it would be fine, since it would not actually be the first step towards killing public education.

Just kidding, I’d radically restructure the whole system in such a way that the bulk of marginal political will for vouchers would coincidentally evaporate.

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mitigatedchaos
mitigatedchaos

@mitigatedchaos

Is this going to be the new thing now?  “Baizuo”?

@argumate

*groans*

The year is 2064.  Having given up on America and Europe, the last remaining members of the Alt Right undergo racial alteration surgery and genetic splicing to join Chairman Liu’s Neo-Chinese Empire, a governmental franchise operating seven megacities on the Asia-Pacific rim.

As a security officer at the front of the Empire’s fight against the Pan-Islamic Caliphate, a sort of distributed theocratic government with enclaves throughout Africa, the Middle East, and Europe, Victor Fang (born Richard Spencer, many years ago) is returned to Hong Kong after being injured by an IED, but he’s about to find out just how deep the Caliph’s conspiracies run…

mitigatedchaos

Discourse Questions

  • What is the value, positive or negative, of a racial ethnostate in a world where race is mutable?
  • Do the Alt Right and White Nationalists value whiteness as a terminal value, or merely as a means to other ends?  If they could, would they abandon it for some other race to obtain racial solidarity?  Would they adopt another heritage, just to have one?
  • Will governance become something marketable, that can be purchased by democratic polities and multinational conglomerates?
  • Could enclaves of Islamic Law form in Europe in order to try and maintain Liberalism?  The idea of sub-groups with their own laws is not unprecedented, after all.
  • What are the implications if jurisdictions break down into various self-governing ethnic groups, united not by the larger territories they live in but through religion and ethnicity as experienced over the Internet?
  • Can Richard Spencer ever be redeemed?  What would it take to redeem him?

Write a 5-page call-out blog post based on answering one of these six topics and submit it to Tumblr Dot Com.

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@mitigatedchaos

Is this going to be the new thing now?  “Baizuo”?

@argumate

*groans*

The year is 2064.  Having given up on America and Europe, the last remaining members of the Alt Right undergo racial alteration surgery and genetic splicing to join Chairman Liu’s Neo-Chinese Empire, a governmental franchise operating seven megacities on the Asia-Pacific rim.

As a security officer at the front of the Empire’s fight against the Pan-Islamic Caliphate, a sort of distributed theocratic government with enclaves throughout Africa, the Middle East, and Europe, Victor Fang (born Richard Spencer, many years ago) is returned to Hong Kong after being injured by an IED, but he’s about to find out just how deep the Caliph’s conspiracies run…

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mutant-aesthetic
mutant-aesthetic

as morbid as it is, I wonder how many Baizou jihadis will have to kill for them to realize what’s at stake here

like after Pulse, me and every other LGBT person I knew had the same reaction

“that could have been us”

now on one hand, we did rally around LGBT muslims because they were gonna get a lot of flak because wide nets and all, and because we had a new empathy for what they escaped from, but Pulse kind of brought the war to my community

in the eyes of the Baizou, there is no war, and that won’t change until the war comes to them

mitigatedchaos

Is this going to be the new thing now?  “Baizuo”?

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