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argumate

@fatpinocchio:

The idea is to show that men who enforce strict gender roles are failing on their own terms, which is hard to mistake for endorsement of those roles. It’s similar to how it’s not homophobic to make fun of the gay scandals of anti-gay politicians.

I disagree with this; for reference consider critique of anti-feminist women such as Phyllis Schlafly or Ann Coulter which focuses on shaming their appearance and casting aspersions at their sexuality; this might be ironically highlighting the difficulty of performing femininity to the degree that they themselves would advocate, but it’s still a fucked up approach with considerable collateral damage.

mitigatedchaos

Consider: Almost no one that doesn’t already agree will see this as “well we’re just pointing out how they ~ironically~ fail to live up to it”. They will see it as hypocrisy from a movement that they already know is full of hypocrites.

The whole “man tears” thing was similar, and similarly stupid.

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libertarirynn

He was British born and radicalized. Not a refugee although I think his parents were from some time ago.

patron-saint-of-smart-asses

I feel like a lot of terrorists in the West are like that: born in their residing nation as a citizen but then radicalized. Makes me wonder what the hell is going on to do that to children of immigrant families.

thathopeyetlives

This is true.

They also tend to be pretty religiously unobservant

A big factor seems to be that they are strangers both to their ancestral culture and to the place they live.

mitigatedchaos

The parents left the places ruled by Islam and all the bad effects that come from that. The children did not. We don’t see radicalized Hindus carrying out these second generation attacks, however. Why? Most likely because Islam has latent instructions that most Muslims ignore day-to-day but which get triggered if you’re a young male outside of society - a condition Islam itself creates in countries where it is dominant (through polygyny).

The Liberals think they’re going to love and tolerate that out of existence, but it doesn’t work that way, because it isn’t ‘fake’ Islam.

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argumate

the posts that push back against men who enforce strict gender roles typically end up reinforcing those same roles by using them as weapons (”insecure in your masculinity, what are you, gay?”) and also by the implicit assumption that men are stronger and can take a rhetorical beating, whereas similar rhetoric aimed at the women who work to enforce strict gender roles would seem much less acceptable to the writer.

mitigatedchaos

Also they don’t even realize the irony, which shows how deeply drenched they are in male hyperagency.

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mitigatedchaos

Proposition: Al Qaeda wanted to get the West to stop fking with the Middle East.  (”Terrorism is geopolitical, [not ideological].”)

Reality: No 9/11 likely means no Iraq War.

Three possibilities:

1. They were too stupid to realize invasion would be the response.

2. They were too drunk on ideology to realize invasion would be the response.

3. The proposition is false.  That wasn’t their actual goal.

argumate

Didn’t Osama specifically think that dragging the Americans into an endless war in Afghanistan would ruin them the same as it did the Russians?

Wasn’t his other goal to get US troops out of Saudi Arabia, and they pulled out in 2003?

mitigatedchaos

But that’s different than getting the US to just GTFO.

I think the motivation is in significant part ideological, not just geopolitical, because a campaign to just get the US to leave would look more like what was done by the IRA, and would likely have been far more successful.

One would look to cause large amounts of expense without large amounts of casualties, creating the political drive to Do Something, but without the political drive for an invasion.

I won’t go into them, but if one is willing to die, there are all sorts of ways to be extremely expensive to the elites that won’t create enough ire among the regular people to politically support a war effort.

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