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Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna

Proposition: Al Qaeda wanted to get the West to stop fking with the Middle East.  (”Terrorism is geopolitical, [not ideological].”)

Reality: No 9/11 likely means no Iraq War.

Three possibilities:

1. They were too stupid to realize invasion would be the response.

2. They were too drunk on ideology to realize invasion would be the response.

3. The proposition is false.  That wasn’t their actual goal.

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afloweroutofstone
mitigatedchaos

The point of this was post was to illustrate that neither ethnic homogeneity nor a lack of natural resources qualify as unsurpassable barriers to the creation of redistributive welfare states. It has nothing to do with immigration except insofar as immigration contributes to ethnic heterogeneity. If I wanted to illustrate that immigration also does not qualify as an unsurpassable barrier (which it doesn’t), I would make a post actually addressing that point.

Now see, Prof. Stone, was posting that in response instead really so hard?

afloweroutofstone
afloweroutofstone

“This multi-ethnic, religiously pluralist nation that has near-zero tariff rates and encourages citizens to live abroad for a number of years is nationalist actually, because that term means whatever I want it to”

mitigatedchaos

If you send citizens to study abroad and then come back to improve your own country, that is putting the country over individuals. I see now from this and your other posts that others’ assessments of you were more correct than I thought.

afloweroutofstone

“#drama”

mitigatedchaos

Yes, some of my readers may not want to see this exchange, so it is tagged, Prof. Stone. Not that hard to realize. I don’t make comments like the second one that often.

afloweroutofstone
afloweroutofstone

>“Social democracies like Norway only work because they’re ethnically homogeneous and swimming in oil money”

>Small island nation of Mauritius has highest standard of living in Africa

>No natural resources

>68% Indo-Mauritian, 27% Creole, 5% other

>(Religion also split between Hindu, Catholic, and Muslim)

>Leftist parties make up vast majority of parliament

>Free healthcare and education, including college

>Right-wing Heritage Foundation still lists their economy as 15th “freest” in the world

>Ranked more democratic than the United States by the Economist Intelligence Unit

>mfw

mitigatedchaos

The family planning programs’ success was due to support from the government and eventually the traditionally pronatalist religious communities, which both recognized that controlling population growth was necessary because of Mauritius’ small size and limited resources.

Tight feedback loop, effects of policies more immediately obvious because there is no where to go, and percent control of the polity per person is higher.

Downturns in the sugar and textile industries in the mid-2000s and a lack of highly qualified domestic workers for Mauritius’ growing services sector led to the emigration of low-skilled workers and a reliance on skilled foreign labor.

Hmn, I wonder what impact that might have.

Since 2007, Mauritius has pursued a circular migration program to enable citizens to acquire new skills and savings abroad and then return home to start businesses and to invest in the country’s development.

This is Nationalist.  An Internationalist program would involve them leaving the island permanently.

Net migration rate: 0 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2016 est.) 

Huh.  Doesn’t sound like mass migration to me.


Of course, many of the objections to the United States becoming Singapore are based on things like its size, relative concentration of population, and so on.  …criticisms which could also apply to Mauritius.

So, OP, do you agree that the United States could become Singapore?

It seems what we have here is not an argument for Open Borders Neoliberal World™, but rather, an argument for small countries which have tight political feedback loops between policy and its effects, and high percentage of political control per person.  (Something I have been considering myself.)  This means people have to live with the consequences of their political decisions and have the ability to do something about it.


ETA: The real question here is, can we find one of these that’s big?  Japan (127M) and Korea (50M) both fare reasonably well despite being over ten times the size of Norway (5M) and for Japan, about 100x the size of Mauritius (1.3M).  …but they’re those evil ethnically homogenous type nations we’re all supposed to hate.

afloweroutofstone

Your ability to constantly dance around what is being talked about and then randomly conclude that All Of Your Beliefs Are Correct continues to impress

mitigatedchaos

So you aren’t in favor of mass migration? Is not “mass migration is actually Good” the entire point of such rhetoric? Otherwise, there is little reason to worry about cultural replacement.

And hey, maybe you’re a full-blooded Communist and not a Neoliberal. That also works on a sufficiently small scale. Or maybe you’re a Libertarian. It doesn’t make that much difference in this case.

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afloweroutofstone
afloweroutofstone

“This multi-ethnic, religiously pluralist nation that has near-zero tariff rates and encourages citizens to live abroad for a number of years is nationalist actually, because that term means whatever I want it to”

mitigatedchaos

If you send citizens to study abroad and then come back to improve your own country, that is putting the country over individuals. I see now from this and your other posts that others’ assessments of you were more correct than I thought.

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drethelin
thathopeyetlives

Why do so many leftists, reasonably intelligent (and possibly very socially intelligent) people, write posts about talking-to-upper-class-conservatives that sound like lessons on how to inadvertantly radicalize people into fascism?

the-grey-tribe

If all you have is a hammer and sickle, every problem starts to look like a wheat field

thathopeyetlives

That is the most bizarrely mixed metaphor to date. Especially because what’s the hammer for?

wanderingwhore

smashing the state obvi

drethelin

The hammer is for wheat farming why do you think they had so much famine

Source: thathopeyetlives

Inserting random Trump burns into your non-political writing might help your LibCred™, but the Trump voters already knew they were socially disapproved of, and all they’re getting is yet more “I SOCIALLY DISAPPROVE OF YOU” and they Trumped in part to spite that. So you get -1 Activism Points. I hope that feeling of smug condescension is worth it.

By the way, despite the in-jokes, it isn’t the Trump voters that are inbred. I can tell you who really is, but it’s forbidden to know.

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roguetelemetry
roguetelemetry:
“ thebibliosphere:
“ littleladycorvus:
“ fandomsandfeminism:
“ profeminist:
“ READ THIS AWESOMENESS, YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT -Alamo Drafthouse Apologizes for Starting Manpocalypse With Women-Only Screening  ”
I laughed so hard i...
profeminist

READ THIS AWESOMENESS, YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT -Alamo Drafthouse Apologizes for Starting Manpocalypse With Women-Only Screening

fandomsandfeminism

I laughed so hard i cried

littleladycorvus

@thebibliosphere

thebibliosphere

The person writing this is 100% done and I love them.

roguetelemetry

Further proof the Alamo Drafthouse is the best.  They kick out anyone on cell phones during a movie no exception, show old movies, and serve beer.  

mitigatedchaos

There is no “manpocalypse”, it’s just that everyone knows this is hypocrisy and they’re tired of being lectured by hypocrites.

Source: profeminist gender politics