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collapsedsquid
collapsedsquid

One thing I keep wondering about is the question of “What’s going to happen in the next economic downturn?“ We’re almost 10 years from the last one, and there are all sorts of possible ways the next one could happen.  Given that we haven’t really recovered from the last one, what’s going to happen after that?  I think it’s in the crisis that the policy for the next economic era is going to made, so what’s it going to be?

collapsedsquid

mitigatedchaos:  Good question.  That’s why I keep chanting “wage subsidies” at all of you.

Yes, the unemployed will be very grateful for wage subsidies.

mitigatedchaos

Combined with a much lower minimum wage, it moves a lot of people from “unemployable” to “employable and making enough money to live off of”.

Others should be covered by some sort of disability scheme (which won’t eliminate eligibility for the wage subsidies).  Children, of course, are to be supported by their parents and the various other child protection systems we need.

At a low enough minimum wage, but with subsidies so the pay is actually reasonable, the economy will find work for these people to do that isn’t digging holes and filling them back up again.

collapsedsquid

If we get a wage subsidy, I’m totally doing Matt Bruenig’s idea where I create the Institute for Full Communism and get employees to kick back their salary.

mitigatedchaos

There are ways out of that, but part of why I’m in favor of wage subsidies as a plan is that it can be rolled out and tested gradually to measure the load on the economy of plans like yours.  All your kickbackers would be making more money if they did something actually economically productive.  The question is how much pressure is necessary.  We can test this empirically, and I believe that we should.

collapsedsquid
collapsedsquid

One thing I keep wondering about is the question of “What’s going to happen in the next economic downturn?“ We’re almost 10 years from the last one, and there are all sorts of possible ways the next one could happen.  Given that we haven’t really recovered from the last one, what’s going to happen after that?  I think it’s in the crisis that the policy for the next economic era is going to made, so what’s it going to be?

collapsedsquid

mitigatedchaos:  Good question.  That’s why I keep chanting “wage subsidies” at all of you.

Yes, the unemployed will be very grateful for wage subsidies.

mitigatedchaos

Combined with a much lower minimum wage, it moves a lot of people from “unemployable” to “employable and making enough money to live off of”.

Others should be covered by some sort of disability scheme (which won’t eliminate eligibility for the wage subsidies).  Children, of course, are to be supported by their parents and the various other child protection systems we need.

At a low enough minimum wage, but with subsidies so the pay is actually reasonable, the economy will find work for these people to do that isn’t digging holes and filling them back up again.

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silver-and-ivory
mitigatedchaos

The Mitigated Chaos Plan for School

@silver-and-ivory

…that’s true.

I don’t know what a good solution would look like, but it doesn’t have to involve any more high-IQ individuals than we have now, just a better distribution of resources schools already have.

I want to test solutions to the current system, and to find many different possible set-ups that are different from the one we have now. (They might not scale well, of course.)

Even improvement in a limited geographical area or to some minor aspects, for relatively affluent middle-class individuals, would be really valuable to me.

Roight, let me suggest my plan, which would only help matters that you want tangentially most likely.

Are you familiar with Spaced Repetition?  It’s used in programs like Anki.  The basic summary is this: your brain flags things as important by whether or not you use them, and forgets them gradually over time.  Spaced repetition brings the item up again at a certain point in the forgetting, so that your brain goes “oh hey this came up again, it must be important, I better remember it!

Gamification is also a thing, and I have a theory that a big part of why people don’t like school stuff is that it doesn’t feel applicable, or that it will ever be applicable.  But while I do not enjoy math for its own sake, I feel almost no resistance to doing math when I have to in order to accomplish some other task.

I’d like @argumate to read this post, too, and probably a few of the others as well.

So here’s my proposal:

1. This will be primarily implemented as a computer program.  It will be implemented on a custom computer system that is not easily compromised.

2. All textbooks will be presented in both a fuller, contextualized format, and as semi-atomic facts of information, ready for use for spaced repetition memorization.

3. Exercises will be split between grinding and synthesis.  Synthesis exercises will sometimes be in the form of game-like programs that have a complex problem which the students must integrate their knowledge of the subject to perform.  (That is, students must be able to take the knowledge and use it and apply it, not just repeat it.)  Other times, for other subjects like English, they will be items like essays that are manually graded by teachers.  Students earn resource points to attempt synthesis exercises through grinding exercises, which are the rote learning component intended to reinforce the knowledge and speed up processing (e.g. of doing math).  If you fail the synthesis exercise, you may have to do more grinding to attempt it again.

4. The computer program will conduct a review of all the subjects the student needs to know, based on spaced repetition algorithms and data about the student and their previous performance.  This prevents the constant information loss that is pervasive in the American school system.

5. All of this is individualized.  Students go at their own pace, and graduate when it has all been completed, or are pushed out of the school system at 21.

6. Homework is mostly rare or non-existent.  Instead, students will stay another hour or two at school.  Homework is for doing exercises, which we are having them do at school.

7. The school day will be broken up by various social activities to let students’ brains relax in between blocks of studying, which will still be somewhat unified by subject of study to make #8 easier.

8. In addition to grading work, teachers will also act as tutors to individual students.  Students will be grouped in classes with students who are in a similar position of progress within the system.  Teachers will go around the room answering various questions and helping students with items they are having trouble with.  There may be some small lecturing sections, maybe.


The following is less necessary, but additional depending on your balance of Nationalism/Capitalism/Technocracy/etc.

9. Students will be awarded points based on a mix of (about 1/3 each) progress, attendance, and and percentile academic standing within their school.  These points can be spent on a very larger variety (over 100) of uniform parts, snacks, media, and other items at participating retailers.  This has the virtue of aligning the school’s social hierarchy more closely with the desired outcome of learning & academic performance, as well as giving students practical experience with small amounts of “money”.

10. Research shows that teaching math below a certain age doesn’t actually accelerate learning progress on it much at all, so for very young students, the system will focus on “moral/social” education and socialization and potentially language skills.  

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argumate
argumate

blue-komrade said: But where is the line between ethnocentric nation states and empire anyway. The major european nations all descend from multi lingual, multi ethnic empires… Or is that your point?

yes, the construction of a homogeneous French identity, German identity, Italian identity, etc.

pushing common languages and suppressing dialects, as happened more recently in China and Indonesia.

and forcible movement of people to line up with national borders, as took place at various intervals throughout the 20th century.

mitigatedchaos

Sometimes this is used to argue that nations aren’t really real in any valuable sense, but once you go up enough contrarianism levels from the normies you wrap around and say “actually, constructing nations is Good.”

argumate

regardless of whether it’s good or bad, it’s certainly powerful, and the original debate was whether anyone has a more powerful meme for cohesion, and so far the answer is no:

 - international community of workers (Great War says no)

 - religion (Henry VIII says no)

 - united in joyful acclamation of the marriage of our beloved king (hell no)

 - neoliberal technocracy (nationalism kicks its teeth in)

mitigatedchaos

I think that last one is arguable.  The fighting is going on right now, and Neolib Tech and its global finance isn’t licked yet for sure.

(Admittedly, I’m disappointed that the other Techs are so Neolib, but National Technocracy is always going to lack some appeal in the West.)

Edit: Well, for the meme staying dominant and having power.  Cohesion, admittedly, not so much.

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argumate

Anonymous asked:

Alternatively: use of goods is more efficient in a household with more people in it (10 people living communally need the same number of can openers (1) as one married couple living alone), thus companies that sell such goods are incentivized to promote a cultural norm of monogamous marriage living in a house with only one's nuclear family members, rather than communal living with friends or extended family, to maximize their profits

argumate answered:

teens in unison: today we will live monogamously

mitigatedchaos

> corporations are pushing monogamy

uh, Anon-kun, honey…

argumate

Anonymous asked:

*squints* wait what does communism have to do with not "liv[ing] in a secluded home with their one marriage partner" though

argumate answered:

all bad things are related and all good things are related.

this is why ending capitalism (a bad thing!) will also end racism, homophobia, the nuclear family, child abuse, exploitation, climate change, and death itself.

(if it turns out that some people have different opinions on which things are good and which things are bad then you just repeat it louder).

but more specifically some people are pining for an aesthetic of communal living and believe that everyone else is too or are willing to force it upon them if not.

mitigatedchaos

all bad things are related and all good things are related.

this is why ending capitalism (a bad thing!) will also end racism, homophobia, the nuclear family, child abuse, exploitation, climate change, and death itself.

Ugh this happens so fucking often.

(Just for the record, upping levels of Nationalism won’t fix everything, it has to be part of an overall plan that will have to include a lot of different elements. - this National blog)

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oligopsonoia-deactivated2017053
bogleech

Conservatives have so much fucking nerve talking about how “ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS ARE OUT OF CONTROL” when absolutely no-one feels inconvenienced by them or has ever even encountered them in their personal lives unless they’re the CEO’s of a megaconglomerate bitter that they couldn’t rip up a national park and buy like their fifth house boat

zenosanalytic

Yeah, it’s literally the Kochs saying “It’s so UNFAIR that when the oil pipelines we own but don’t maintain bust and flood a town with toxic sludge, that WE have to pay to fix it.” and “An employee we forced to clean chemical storage tanks without the proper gear for 15 years developed cancer, and they’re allowed to sue us over it? TYRANNY!!”

thehumanarkle

How is it never occurred to me to put it like this before?

oligopsonoia

this honestly comes off as pretty silly and out-of-touch, because there are of course plenty of people who get laid off in industries that are subject to environmental regulations, and while it’s certainly possible to make an empirical case that, say, coal regulations have little to do with the decline of coal jobs, it’s at least plausible that there is some effect.

of course the solution to this is that you need a full employment economy so that losing any particular job doesn’t mean losing a job, period, but until you do so (and obviously there are general capitalist interests against having a genuinely full employment economy outside of wartime) there will be entirely understandable resistance among certain fractions of labor against things (environmental regulations, immigration, labor-saving machinery) that are extremely good in themselves

mitigatedchaos

I would argue against immigration being a general good in itself, but…

Wage subsidies with low minimum wage would get us pretty close to full employment without harming workers (in terms of net income) or crashing the economy (it has support from economists).

Admittedly I’m kind of a broken record, here, but it seems like something that could actually happen without a revolution and without potentially ruining everything.

Source: bogleech policy the invisible fist the red hammer
argumate
argumate

blue-komrade said: But where is the line between ethnocentric nation states and empire anyway. The major european nations all descend from multi lingual, multi ethnic empires… Or is that your point?

yes, the construction of a homogeneous French identity, German identity, Italian identity, etc.

pushing common languages and suppressing dialects, as happened more recently in China and Indonesia.

and forcible movement of people to line up with national borders, as took place at various intervals throughout the 20th century.

mitigatedchaos

Sometimes this is used to argue that nations aren’t really real in any valuable sense, but once you go up enough contrarianism levels from the normies you wrap around and say “actually, constructing nations is Good.”

silver-and-ivory
silver-and-ivory

Sometimes it strikes me as really really immoral that schools exist. They seem like an almost universally terrible experience, though I suppose that might be biased by who I discuss things with.

I don’t really see why more people haven’t tried something different, especially considering how painful the entire thing is. You’d think that the Elite would at least realize that school sucked.

Maybe it’s a way for them to control their children, though.

argumate

it’s free childcare

silver-and-ivory

I don’t think so, though- there are easier ways to get free childcare. It’s probably aimed at edifying the children and preparing them for adulthood.

It is often not-great at that. This is quite possibly an organizational problem, in that it’s very hard to control and also educate a large number of people who often have a bad grasp of their own preferences and long-term needs.

What it probably comes down to is that a standardized set of Stuff to Learn and ways to judge that is far easier and more coherent to measure and encourage. In general people want to make sure that schools are Actually Working to educate children, and standardization gives them a good measure.

(To be clear, it is perfectly reasonable to want schools to Actually Work and I myself would like, in theory, to ensure that schools Actually Work. It is just the implementation that is often botched.)

It is way harder, less reliable, and probably leads to more upset or worried parents to set up a non-railroady, truly open-ended experience. It might also have not-that-many appreciable benefits, except to a few students.

School is probably also in some sense a competition for positional goods and status. If your kid doesn’t go to school, then they’ll lose out! If they don’t get into this school they will be a loser forever. I suppose that part of this is also tradition/family based.

(I’ll address other responses later today.)

mitigatedchaos

Please keep in mind that the supply of high-IQ individuals to run both our nation’s institutions and industries is very limited.

policy maybe