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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna
mutant-aesthetic
mutant-aesthetic

the biggest problem with libertarians is that they want freedom but also want to keep morality still around

there’s no point to freedom if the majority of the population is still obsessed with “right” and “wrong” and want to enforce that to some degree

mitigatedchaos

Ah, but it is only if the majority of the populace is still obsessed with right and wrong that Libertarianism can be maintained.  Otherwise, the political will that created it will deteriorate until the physical realization of the ideology can no longer be supported.

It’s only feasible so long as only few enough people take advantage of the freedom it grants them.

politics
collapsedsquid
collapsedsquid

Taleb talks a lot like this certain stereotype of alt-right asshole (Maybe Mike Cernovich, but not totally brain dead) and has pointless fights I associate with alt-right assholery, but I don’t think he actually is alt-right and I’m not quite sure what to think of him. 

collapsedsquid

stumpyjoepete: I think the word is just “asshole”, or, to be more charitable, “smug, combative contrarian”.

He seems like that in a specifically right-wing way though.  There are leftist asshole contrarians and centrist assholes, he has this type of assholery that I associate with alt-righter and the alt-right adjacent in particular.

mitigatedchaos

It might be an artifact of a greater political realignment.

For instance, going from:
0 - Polygamy is bad because it’s socially disapproved / “gross” / foreign.
1 - Polygamy is good because of human freedom.
2 - Polygamy is bad because of its secondary effects which damage the culture we all have to live in and the people that live there, it only isn’t a problem among nerds (or otherwise significantly limited), when there is a massive gender imbalance, and under Transhumanism.

How many people out there are switching from the position “Social Libertarianism is good because gays are actually fine” to “actually, LGBT are fine but pure Social Libertarianism is not,” now?  What does their behavior look like?  What is their category and what should people think of them?

fish in the water
collapsedsquid
collapsedsquid

The new Star Trek is really going to have a problem with how technology has been changing since the earlier series.  Either they accept it, and give everyone a smartphone-camera-tricorder and have drones that perform exploration and simple errands in which case they become insufferable selfie-taking millennials who are too lazy to carry their own laundry or whatever, or they ignore that and we mock them for having technology worse than our current day technology.

I think the issue here is that smartphones and drones would be a serious advantage in a situation like that, not just a convenience, but we still think of them as conveniences. 

But then I think that very few people in sci-fi have dealt properly with the consequence of ubiquitous computing, they either bypass it entirely or come up with technology that’s worse than today’s.  Bypassing it is a justifiable decision though, if you don’t you can end up with futures that end up looking ridiculous where everyone communicates with handheld fax machines.

mitigatedchaos

The problem here is that the next logical step is Transhumanism.  Why aren’t the crew of the Enterprise all paramilitary cyborgs who, while looking human externally, have in-built communications technology and redundant backup organs?

But Transhumanism isn’t the Humanism on which the original Star Trek was built.  Star Trek was intended to be about Human stories, Human morality, Human ethics…  Transhumanism is… well in many ways it’s deeper than that, pulling at threads that ordinary human ethics buries.

altrightbot

altrightbot neural network predictions

altrightbot

2016: birth of the alt-right
2017: the non-nationalist french president revealed as cryptomonarchist
2018: russia hacks its own elections
2019: japan begins producing smug anime propaganda against article 9
2020: israel renames itself (((israel)))
2021: border wall finished by ancap subcontractors
2022: nazbol dalai lama appointed
2023: globeheads BTFO
2024: gay agenda comes to fruition (details hazy)

shtpost
argumate
argumate

All these politicians promising to protect the family, strengthen the family, celebrate families.

Where are the politicians promising to SMASH the family?

argumate

Disclaimer: some politicians have suggested smashing immigrant families, families formed by gay couples, and polyamorous families. So there’s that.

mitigatedchaos

Supporting sexual liberation, no fault divorce, and so on could be viewed as that, but the goal there appears to be freedom and/or hedonism, disregarding the consequences. I’m actually quite in favor of gay marriage because monogamy is actually good for typical people.

bambamramfan
mitigatedchaos

Ah, he missed another option, one I think you’ll like - poor people who work minimum wage jobs don’t have much in savings, so they need employers more than employers need them. Thus minimum wage is interacting with an invisible negotiating leverage that we can’t see.

All the more reason for a wage subsidy program.