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thathopeyetlives
thathopeyetlives

I wonder if there’s possibly any way of imposing symmetry on the whole open borders thing, in a way that would matter.

mitigatedchaos

If you decide to split the difference and make some areas open borders and other areas closed borders to that closed-borders people can live by themselves while open borders people benefit or suffer from the consequences of their decisions, then open borders people will come back six months later and demand the closed borders areas be opened immediately as a moral demand.

If you decide to make open borders contingent on paying off closed borderers with money, the open borders crowd will decry this as immoral and unfair to the global poor.

If you make anyone who comes in via open borders the financial responsibility of open border-supporters, they will decry this as immoral and unfair, because they are individuals and the people they are bringing in are individuals, and culture has nothing to do with their behavior and this is all the fault of those dity closed borderers.

However, it isn’t actually possible to solve global poverty with open borders.  To meet the carrying capacity, the nations themselves must be made significantly more productive, and that means greater infrastructure and fewer children in order to concentrate parental investment.

thathopeyetlives

This is not really what I meant.

I meant more like “can we impose open borders on the countries that are going to be net sources of immigrants”.

mitigatedchaos

Countries like Brazil are already pretty lax about their immigration policies, but this wouldn’t do much of anything to decrease opposition to open borders.

thathopeyetlives
thathopeyetlives

I wonder if there’s possibly any way of imposing symmetry on the whole open borders thing, in a way that would matter.

mitigatedchaos

If you decide to split the difference and make some areas open borders and other areas closed borders to that closed-borders people can live by themselves while open borders people benefit or suffer from the consequences of their decisions, then open borders people will come back six months later and demand the closed borders areas be opened immediately as a moral demand.

If you decide to make open borders contingent on paying off closed borderers with money, the open borders crowd will decry this as immoral and unfair to the global poor.

If you make anyone who comes in via open borders the financial responsibility of open border-supporters, they will decry this as immoral and unfair, because they are individuals and the people they are bringing in are individuals, and culture has nothing to do with their behavior and this is all the fault of those dity closed borderers.

However, it isn’t actually possible to solve global poverty with open borders.  To meet the carrying capacity, the nations themselves must be made significantly more productive, and that means greater infrastructure and fewer children in order to concentrate parental investment.

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isaacsapphire
mitigatedchaos

I suspect it’s less against the interests of what Feminism is ostensibly supposed to be, and more against the interests of Feminism as it actually is.

MRAs are in some senses an offshoot of Feminism, made possible not by Patriarchal power, but by Feminism’s flaws.  If you have a bunch of men around questioning dogma and demanding that principles such as innocent-until-proven-guilty are upheld, well that isn’t so great for changing the standards of evidence on campuses, now is it?

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heightmap for a citybuilder game. alternatively, porn run through like 10 filters
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Interesting theories. How about this...
karnsway

What’s this an image of?

mitigatedchaos

heightmap for a citybuilder game. alternatively, porn run through like 10 filters

karnsway

Interesting theories. How about this one?

funnyconcussion

Oh ! That’s me

karnsway

I think we’re getting somewhere.

How about now?

ranma-official

Not sure, still too lossy.

karnsway

Sorry to hear you’re at a loss. Which is clearer: A, or B?

mitigatedchaos

An atrocity.

ranma-official
cailleachan

guys but like…not every vocal atheist is an m.r.a dudebro with a goatee and a fedora and a hard-on for richard dawkins. plenty of people have a legitimate reason for mistrusting and criticising religion and religious practices (i.e. abuse survivors, lgbt people, people from former or current colonies, many women all over the world) and atheism might actually be important to some people as a space for resistance.  which is not to say i advocate black and white thinking and i think all criticism of religion should be sensitive and placed within careful consideration of context (i.e. people not using “atheism” as an excuse to be islamophobic, anti-semitic etc.) but religions are social institutions that still exert a lot of power and we should let oppressed people have safe spaces in which to criticise them

isaacsapphire

I’m still trying to understand how the Left started hating atheists, associating Atheism with being anti women’s rights, and consider religious people as a morally superior group?

Like, what the fuck? What happened to the god-hating liberals my (abusive) Christian parents despised?

thathopeyetlives

You may try to resist religion, but know that God resists back. 


Atheism had some pretty dreadful internal politics disasters. Honestly, the big issue was the one that has plagued revolutionaries since Satan himself: Once they had finished throwing off obedience to Christ, they argued over who the next target should be. The internal inability to banish sexual abusers was also a problem. 

Ultimately, it kind of split, between the partisans of Pride and Vanity and those of Perfidy and Rebellion. The latter faction no longer emphasizes their atheism. 

isaacsapphire

The lack of Leftists converting to anything in any noticable numbers, to my knowledge, rather disadvantages that explanation, as much as I find a certain emotional resonance to it.

ranma-official

does literally anyone at all remember the early internet fights? late 90s, early 00s? they were literally all about religion. one recurring argument was that basically atheists are cowards bc they mainly make fun of Christianity, rather than of Islam, which is clearly more dangerous to do. Guess what atheists started doing after being told to do so. Guess what happened as a result.

isaacsapphire

I definitely remember that era of Discourse. Interesting theory about the causes of the passing of that era, although I suspect this is a very reductionist view of those events.

9/11 happened. The West as a whole suddenly remembered that Islam existed. I don’t think the shift was from athiests decided to grow a pair and attack Islam on their blogs and chat boards.

ranma-official

I don’t think it’s 9/11 specifically (people made that argument in early 00s), but actually the Iraq war being drawn out forever, the Bush era coming to an end, and stuff like that. The alliance between beer'n'tits liberals and pink hair'n'harry potter fan fiction liberals was always an uncertain and shaky one, facilitated by the ills of the Bush era being different from the ills now.

You can also see a shift from “free speech zones” being horrifying to freeze peach being a tool of the oppressor, and from patriot act being creepy to surveillance being Good Actually, and many more.

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cymae-mesa

j: trains are just good, ok?
objectively good
i don’t understand how neurotypicals don’t instintively understand this.

p: x3
supply chains are good
logistics and infrastructure are good
without logistics and infrastructure neurotypicals couldn’t have a single bit of their social media influencer instagrams because all would be too busy hunting rabbits to survive

s: yes
supply chains are my fetish


j: supply chains are good

mitigatedchaos

There’s something aesthetically pleasing about function over form, about big, powerful industrial machinery that signifies the power of humanity.  Nuclear power plants, diesel locomotives, whirring factory complexes sending thousands of packages out into the world, the musical rhythms of assembly robots…

Nature has its good parts as well, but it’s a very different feeling.

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