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[memecucker]

Tfw you wanna be a “good ally” and think you should “play it safe” by defaulting to the most hardline views on cultural appropriation and suddenly you’re a reactionary cultural nationalist

[discoursedrome]

white people shouldn’t participate in cultural appropriation discourse without permission because it doesn’t belong to them

[mitigatedchaos]

tfw when you take it so far that you loop around to grouping culture by race and not wanting people to leave their racial culture because that would be “inauthentic” and you oppressing them because your racial imperialist aura is just that strong

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Anonymous asked:

Because no one in America who doesn't live in NYC or the Bay Area really understands that the stratospheric housing costs there define the merely "rich" in conventional earned income (as opposed to those making literal Wall Street finance money and/or living entirely on capital interest), out of the rich category, so their infelicitous attempts to wrangle their actual horrible money problems get them automatically assigned to the mustache-twirling villain category.

wirehead-wannabe answered:

I guess maybe that makes sense.

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[genderfight]

It was fun reading through that OP thinking “well, this seems like a cool way to just remove poor people from an area while possibly dodging regs about affordable housing, but I will withold judgment until I see what benefits you think that captures” only to to realize that those were the benefits.

Imagine being so evil that you spend your days thinking up cool new ways to help the wealthy avoid contact with the poor while simultaneously saving them (the wealthy) money (which they, definitionally, have plenty of).

Fuckin’ imagine.

[wirehead-wannabe]

I think there’s a difference between wanting the rich to segregate themselves off vs accepting that it’s going to happen and trying to minimize the damage.

[genderfight]

Unless I’m missing something, the proposal at hand exactly and only minimizes damage to the wealthy? And for a value of “damage” which means “spending money on housing?”

Come at me with a solution that helps those already subject to disproportionate risk and we’ll talk, I guess.

[mitigatedchaos]

Become Singapore.

Oh, sorry. Let me try again. You can give people money, but you have to actually take it away if they misbehave. A good program would be to lower the minimum wage while issuing hourly direct-to-employee wage subsidies - thus making the effective wage received higher while simultaneously increasing available jobs and negotiating leverage for low-income workers. This has some backing from economists and can be rolled out and tested incrementally. The Democrats should be hype for it but the Democratic Party is dumb.

There are other factors, like dealing with the simultaneous under/overpolicing, punishing wayward children *before* the end up on the wrong end of a police officer, and so on. Get crime under control and you can fix the zoning laws. Fix the zoning laws and you can build cheaper housing where it’s needed.

None of this will actually happen though because the Democratic party is about as much about helping the poor as the Republicans are about saving money.

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[reasonandempathy]

4chan: “Yo, we can totally make mainstream media think the OK sign is a hate symbol”

ADL: “That’s not a hate symbol”

PJW: “HA!  WE MADE THEM SAY IT ISN’T A HATE SYMBOL!”

[neuroticpantomime]

It’s also rather arbitrary and just seems like a dumb and meanspirited game the reactionaries always “win.”
Like obviously the okay single is too universal to be taken by white supremacists. But if a bunch of them, and fellow travelers, start using it as a “joke,” it’s asinine not to notice.

Like with Pepe, it’s just a funny cartoon. But these days if I see a Twitter avi with him, I’m not gonna be surprised if it’s some anti-Semite who screeches “cuck” at everyone. Yet, one either acknowledges that association and “falls for it,” or they don’t and say that Pepe, etc aren’t hate symbols, then they’re also “falling for it.”

[reasonandempathy]

it’s the right-wing application of the Kafka Trap.

“Liberals say everything is offensive!” “That’s not offensive” “See, they had to reply to it because dumb liberals were offended!”

vs

“You’re racist!” “I’m not racist” “You saying you’re not racist just means you’re racist!”

[mitigatedchaos]

It’s because everyone is so sick and tired of it, so they decided to make dumb left wing virtue signalling, that used to be a way to attack the right with an ever-changing array of fashionable terms, into an exploitable vulnerability. They’re also taking advantage of dumb Antifas punching anyone who isn’t a real white nationalist.

[ranma-official]

People have been calling each other nazis casually (“Feminazi”, Obama is a nazi) for decades, and poking around with symbols and discovering bullshit gematria and whatever for much, much longer than that.

There was a serious concern in the populace over whether Obama was the actual, literal Antichrist.

[mitigatedchaos]

The policing of it has been more powerful among the American Left lately. Newspapers were whining about a cartoon frog. TBH it’s just satisfying seeing the guys who frequently go “no only a Republican could be so stupid and inbred lol” while, say, ignoring or shutting down the fact that a certain group they actually favor *is* more inbred, getting worked up into a froth by trolling in such a way that it delegitimizes their controlling anger.

The Right is dumb too, it’s just that the Left was supposed to be better but they aren’t.

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[reasonandempathy]

4chan: “Yo, we can totally make mainstream media think the OK sign is a hate symbol”

ADL: “That’s not a hate symbol”

PJW: “HA!  WE MADE THEM SAY IT ISN’T A HATE SYMBOL!”

[neuroticpantomime]

It’s also rather arbitrary and just seems like a dumb and meanspirited game the reactionaries always “win.”
Like obviously the okay single is too universal to be taken by white supremacists. But if a bunch of them, and fellow travelers, start using it as a “joke,” it’s asinine not to notice.

Like with Pepe, it’s just a funny cartoon. But these days if I see a Twitter avi with him, I’m not gonna be surprised if it’s some anti-Semite who screeches “cuck” at everyone. Yet, one either acknowledges that association and “falls for it,” or they don’t and say that Pepe, etc aren’t hate symbols, then they’re also “falling for it.”

[reasonandempathy]

it’s the right-wing application of the Kafka Trap.

“Liberals say everything is offensive!” “That’s not offensive” “See, they had to reply to it because dumb liberals were offended!”

vs

“You’re racist!” “I’m not racist” “You saying you’re not racist just means you’re racist!”

[mitigatedchaos]

It’s because everyone is so sick and tired of it, so they decided to make dumb left wing virtue signalling, that used to be a way to attack the right with an ever-changing array of fashionable terms, into an exploitable vulnerability. They’re also taking advantage of dumb Antifas punching anyone who isn’t a real white nationalist.

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Anonymous asked:

Rationalists: X is harmful, let me explain why in detail supported by facts Commies: X IS EEEEVIIILLL AARGHHDGSHS

leviathan-supersystem answered:

Rationalists: poors are bad, keep them away from me, and housing in general

Commies: yo what the fuck

[mitoticcephalopod]

This is literally not what is happening

[mitigatedchaos]

You’re expecting LS to read it without assuming maximum bad faith?

[misanthropymademe]

Huh, I thought rattumb was all about “evidence shows direct cash transfers are good cos poors now how best to fulfill their needs directly”. Also, aren’t their rattumb commies anyway (and even those shit on bananas tankies). 

[mitigatedchaos]

LS has a history that makes them a poor choice of discussion partner, let’s say. As for the thread, it was “rich people already do this, and so do the middle class, and they’re both going to continue doing this - is there some way they could bid up the housing prices without effectively setting the money on fire?” The OP wasn’t entirely serious, either.

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Anonymous asked:

Rationalists: X is harmful, let me explain why in detail supported by facts Commies: X IS EEEEVIIILLL AARGHHDGSHS

leviathan-supersystem answered:

Rationalists: poors are bad, keep them away from me, and housing in general

Commies: yo what the fuck

[mitoticcephalopod]

This is literally not what is happening

[mitigatedchaos]

You’re expecting LS to read it without assuming maximum bad faith?

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Anonymous asked:

Yeah, I think it would probably be deemed to be a tip and not a gift. Just *saying* "this is a personal gift and not taxable" isn't a magic spell you can recite to make something nontaxable! Of course, nobody's going to actually care about an unreported, looks like $7 there, per se, but if it's a regular thing it could be a problem.

argumate answered:

I think to make it stick you’d have to switch to a complete gift economy, where you regularly give gifts to people who aren’t currently providing you services, and don’t give gifts to people who are (as that is their gift to you).

That works for small groups, but doesn’t work so well in cities of millions where you can’t effectively maintain personal social ties with every single person you might possibly interact with. Then if you use an app or something to keep track of gifts you’ve just invented a new form of currency, which would actually be kind of cool.

[mitigatedchaos]

On the magic spell angle, see also SovCits who are too dumb to realize that the state is not validated by laws but by force. (Property, of course, also ultimately comes from force and not moral law.)

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[argumate]

Soooo, any thoughts?

[mitigatedchaos]

Eyerolling and dumb, but not actually stiffing waitstaff on the tip, so whatever.

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[dascorfil]

“Nothing to impede progress. If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows.”

Mr. Robert House - self-styled President, CEO, and sole proprietor of the New Vegas Strips, founder of RobCo Industries