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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna
osberend

Anonymous asked:

Perfect traps like you are proof that men are even better than women at being women.

jenlog answered:

thank you, i think

voxette-vk

Man: the superior woman.

osberend

#this is what terfs actually are afraid of!

I’ll buy that. After all, it makes at least as much sense as any of the explanations they give.

mitigatedchaos

*penalty whistle*

We object to this selection bias.  Clearly we must run a randomized, double-blinded trial in order to confirm or disprove this hypothesis.

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the-grey-tribe
anaisnein

To expand a bit, it’s clear to me at this point that I do have dysphoria, physical and socio-emotional, but I don’t think that I’m trans in any meaningful sense. 

Becoming a guy emphatically does not feel like a solution or a goal. It feels like a whole other giant sack of trouble I don’t want. One which would be even more difficult to execute on and maintain because I don’t have the experience or expertise or fluency in it that I do with this one, and I’d have to outsource key infrastructure which would involve a lot of overhead and basic insecurity,.and let’s not even get into the brand equity, personal, professional, relational, etc costs of transition like holy fucking shit, and I don’t even want this? I don’t have this vision of how if things were just different I could be a guy and it would be right-feeling and comfortable and authentic. It wouldn’t. It’d just be more performance, and I’d be considerably worse at it. 

That doesn’t make it any more comfortable to be permanently trapped in a Jessica Rabbit flesh-and-bone costume, but you don’t get to fix that unless you want to be a guy and frankly the available technologies for it aren’t that goddamn great even if you do..

What I really-really want is to not have all this unbelievably extra anatomy. It’s wrong-feeling, infrastructurally unsound, painful, inconvenient, unaesthetic and a huge pain in my ass. (Secondarily it would be nice to not have my gender be the screamingly obtrusive most noticeable thing about my body so the misogynists can tell from 200 feet away who to de-agentize and make jump through extra hoops and I can’t go outside at night without fear and etc, but if it were just that and not any of the physical stuff I think I could write this off as internalized misogyny. Unfortunately the physical stuff is worse.). And if I thought transition would really solve all of those problems and I could magic it by hitting a button, then yeah, it’d be the least-worst option, but I don’t think it would, and there isn’t a magic button, and “least-worst” just doesn’t feel like grounds for pursuing it.

anaisnein


@limnaia asked on the other thread: 

Seriously, though, have you considered perhaps you’re non-binary gendered and just want a body that reflects that?

I think it probably does net out to nonbinary. But “nonbinary” doesn’t seem to pull much problem-solving weight semantically or practically. Then what? Do solutions follow?

I know how this plays out. I’m bi/pan, and in my actual life that has washed up mostly as “not entitled to claim to be gay so living a superficially straight life while feeling bad and stuck and angry and bitter about it but also still alienated from queerness so whatever,” and I can already feel this going the same way but I don’t know what to do differently. Trans stuff in 2017 is about where sexuality stuff was in 1987 and there’s a reason that that went the way it did for me. And it feels higher-stakes to act on anything or claim a label wrt gender than sexuality, and we’ve established that I am a wuss. 

And again, what’s the prize? There are no super great solutions out there to go claim. Hip reduction surgery doesn’t exist, T is a goddamn injectable because FDA said no to pills and all the effects I want are reversible, late, require major effort to support etc and all the effects that are permanent and reasonably quick are the ones I’m meh or wary of, and I probably couldn’t even get it on a nonbinary basis, IDK. (I talked to someone on here who has T gel and also E and an endocrinologist sympathetic to hormonal experimentation and was like, ooooh, but that’s a rough fucking goal to target, like, Endocrinologist Georg is an outlier adn should not have been sought)

fierceawakening

This resonates with me very strongly. Particularly the “I think I would not fit in in exactly the opposite way if I lived as a man” part.

I feel like if I lived in a society that had a “female masculine” gender, like some cultures do, I would uncomplicatedly consider myself that gender. I’d probably at least try hormones IF the society would still recognize me as that gender.

I do not think I want to be seen as a guy. I think I want to try masculinizing my body to see if it brings my body more in line with my internal map, because I think it might.

I know that in my current culture I have the option of calling myself nonbinary, and I did for a while. But my mind associates nonbinary with a particular kind of cultural/social role (and most especially a role tied to a youth culture that I don’t identify with) that doesn’t match what I think I am very well.

mindthelspace

I’m relating very much to this conversation. My relationship to sex and gender is also totally incompatible with a lot of the more popular queer theory (albeit for slightly different reasons to the above posters). 

Like, the Right Thing to do these days in young queer circles is to minimise the relevance of biological sex (to the point of saying it doesn’t exist and that bodies can’t be gendered), and augment gender as this important aspect of your self that has nothing to do with your body, and that you sort of feel your way to. 

… But my self-concept of gender is tied entirely to my body. know I’m a woman because I am biologically female and don’t (with a possible slight exception*) experience gender dysphoria. However, I’ve never had any real desire to feel ‘girly’, ‘feminine’, or ‘womanly’, gendered social treatment is something that I wish would get away from me forever, and I couldn’t even begin to guess how I’d respond in one of those hypothetical scenarios involving waking up in a male body. So, if “birth sex is irrelevant, gender is important and all about feels” becomes the status quo, then, well,… good luck navigating that, me. 

Of course, I understand that the “birth sex irrelevant, gender important, bodies aren’t gendered” construct exists because its helpful to some people. I’m increasingly seeing all this as a competing access needs issue, not between cis and trans people (as many are prone to construe it), but between people who have a strong internal sense of gender which is separate to their body, and those whose sense of gender is very tied to their body. Group A needs “bodies aren’t gendered, your breasts and vagina are male if you want them to be”, and group B needs “Your gender= your birth sex + presence or absence of dysphoria”. And I’d imagine there are also a lot of people who’d prefer something in between the two, or an entirely different metric. 

*This exception is muscle strength (or lack of it). This can’t be fixed on it’s own, and I don’t think identifying as a different gender would make me feel any more comfortable about it (it may even make me feel worse). It’s also the only sex characteristic I’m uncomfortable with, so I feel the cause is more likely to be related to my discomfort with feeling weak, or with gender roles/expectations, than discomfort with my sex. 

fierceawakening

This makes a lot of sense to me. I’ve never disputed whether I’m female. I’m not entirely sure what doing that would even mean.

I have and do wonder if I am happiest in an unmodified body, and I also know the connection between my unmodified body and “femininity” is part of the problem for me.

It seems very easy for the queer theory kids to say gender, expression, and bodies don’t link. But I still can’t seem to UNLINK mine.

madeofpatterns

I don’t think demanding that others deny the physical realities of our bodies is a legitimate access need.

fierceawakening

I’m… I don’t know.

Like, I really really have trouble with “biology is cissexist,” when the reason “male” and “female” exist as classifications is not JUST to talk about social constructs but also to talk about reproductive capability. I can’t get past that.

But I also don’t have a problem with someone who isn’t saying “any body is male or female if you just say so” and is saying something more like “well my body is not the paradigmatic male body, but hormones and surgery have altered it enough that I feel comfortable calling it good.”

I don’t want to take that second thing away from people. But the first thing baffles me.

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brazenautomaton
earthboundricochet

Everytime an anti-sj/”skeptical”/whatever says that using the right pronouns for trans people is a matter of courtesy I want to scream in the void

nvidiatitanx

What’s wrong with saying it’s about respect/courtesy?

brazenautomaton

if it is about respect, then you misgender people you don’t respect (as we see SJ do to any outside The In Clique) and then accurate pronouns are something you must earn by adherence to their ideology

mitigatedchaos

It’s about winning the local battle (pronouns), since it’s easier than winning the war (trans is legit), and maybe if the local battle is won people will go easier.

But it does have that side effect.

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ranma-official
mitigatedchaos

I’m not sure it matters.  Feminism-the-political-movement and its institutional power is sexist to the point of classifying “forced envelopment” as something other than rape, denies biology (and I don’t mean “lol trans isn’t real” I mean “hormones aren’t a placebo”), is pretty messed up and out-of-sync with people on sex (explicit-verbal-consent-at-every-point for example is not how people, particularly most women, actually want it), effectively denies there are consequences to sexual liberalism, and so on.

They don’t appear to actually believe in female agency, either.

And they publish articles like “MRAs hated Mad Max Fury Road!”, even though if you travel into the MRA viper nest to check, the local MRAs are all “??? what” at this accusation.

The question, I think, is why they hate it so much to lie about it like that.  And I think the reason is because the MRA narrative, at least, is not Traditionalism or Feminism, even though it required both of those to come into existence.  It’s the first challenge to their stranglehold on the gender narrative in some time, and controlling the gender narrative is very valuable politically.

The MRA narrative isn’t spot-on either, but because it contains things Feminism deliberately ignored, it has room to grow, just like Feminism had room to grow due to what Traditionalism ignored.

I also believe it’s a symptom of a looming Male Gender Meltdown that Feminism thinks it wants but is too self-absorbed to carry out.  Like, the Alt Right should not be so full of self-identified “traps”, Bronies were scorched but aren’t compatible with the Feminist/Traditionalist model either, and so on.  These are symptoms, I think, of a situation which has not yet exploded, but the point of criticality is slowly being reached and it’s going to look very strange and I don’t think the cishet neurotypical women are going to like it.

And?  That critical point may arrive just as affordable tissue engineering does.

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ranma-official
ranma-official

criminal minds episode about PUAs in the background lel

ranma-official

they are discussing incels this is great

ranma-official

Yeah this is kind of a boring episode because it’s basically a cartoonish version of Elliot Rodger and “doesn’t the manosphere suck guys am i rite”

The manosphere absolutely does suck, but Rodger​ is more interesting than this guy and his problems aren’t on the level of “the internet told me to hate women so I do”

mitigatedchaos

They’ve done this before. I wrote a GUI in Visual Basic to prove it. More seriously a more naunced take would be less Feminist-mainstream. The Manosphere, for all its flaws, is hated because it’s a rival for the dominant gender narrative that is gaining ground. Shakily, it’s true, but almost inevitably since Feminism is missing entire chunks of reality.

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mitigatedchaos
mitigatedchaos

@ranma-official

Bad Ending: Chelsea Clinton 2020, Misogyny and Berniebros Prevented Hillary From Going to Michigan

True Ending: Emanuel/Bloomberg 2020, We didn’t learn shit my dude

Golden Ending: Jeb!

mitigatedchaos

@ranma-official: “should’ve pokemon gone to Michigan” is better​ imo

I just like the combination of noticing they’d be foolish enough to do something like running Chelsea, with the distant dream, the far timeline, beyond 1% divergence, where Jeb! manages to become the President.

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mutant-aesthetic
signofthehammer

Believing that the Native Americans have some kind of everlasting ownership of America means you believe in racial nationalism.

mutant-aesthetic

weirdly enough this is one of the reasons why I stopped believing in racial nationalism

mitigatedchaos

This logic was part of my reason for posting that Ethnonationalism can’t demobilize Ethnonationalism.

Though I guess this is a counter-example.

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