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bambamramfan

Anonymous asked:

I hate the needless moralism with incest on this site. I don't mean with legit concerns about consent and power dynamics but posts going "COUSIN MARRIAGE IS ICKY!!". I mean, this site is gung ho about animal abuse and killing but suddenly something where absolutely nobody is hurting nothing is considered totally wrong. Sorry, it just irritates me.

sigmaleph answered:

cousin marriage is icky

doesn’t make it wrong, but

slatestarscratchpad

I’ve been reading about leptin receptor deficiency recently, which is mostly (only?) observed in children of cousin marriages. Stephen Guyenet describes affected children as follows:

Usually they are of normal birth weight and then they’re very, very hungry from the first weeks and months of life. By age one, they have obesity. By age two, they weigh 55-65 pounds, and their obesity only accelerates from there. While a normal child may be about 25% fat, and a typical child with obesity may be 40% fat, leptin-deficient children are up to 60% fat. Farooqi explains that the primary reason letpin-deficient children develop obesity is that they have “an incredible drive to eat”…leptin-deficient children are nearly always hungry, and they almost always want to eat, even shortly after meals. Their appetite is so exaggerated that it’s almost impossible to put them on a diet: if their food is restricted, they find some way to eat, including retrieving stale morsels from the trash can and gnawing on fish sticks directly from the freezer. This is the desperation of starvation […]

Unlike normal teenagers, those with leptin deficiency don’t have much interest in films, dating, or other teenage pursuits. They want to talk about food, about recipes. “Everything they do, think about, talk about, has to do with food” says Farooqi. This shows that the [leptin system] does much more than simply regulate appetite - it’s so deeply rooted in the brain that it has the ability to hijack a broad swath of brain functions, including emotions and cognition.

Marrying your cousin is like winning access to a whole new, much more interesting tier of genetic diseases.

ozymandias271

Cousin marriage, according to wikipedia, has about the same risk of congenital disability as giving birth to a child over age 40. If lots of people marry their cousins, the risk gets worse.

I suspect that even if cousin marriage is legalized and destigmatized most people in the US aren’t going to want to do it, because family really isn’t that important in our culture. So banning cousin marriage implies that one should also ban giving birth over the age of 40. While that might be intractable, banning assistive reproductive technology to mothers over forty (or even forbidding it to be covered by insurance) would be more doable.

bambamramfan

So there’s a rather large jump here which is always disturbing.

“Cousins reproducing leads to some avoidable painful illnesses” becomes “cousins engaging in any romantic behavior with eachother is evil, and they should feel shame and anyone who even depicts that in fiction should also feel shame.”

When the logic is “there’s a long term material effect AND we feel really icky about it”, then you are usually engaging in ideological hounding. You’ve cut around all the logical discussions regarding proportionality, humility, actual cause and effect, and let emotive response takeover combined with some fairly far-off consequence horror stories. This leads to dehumanization and cruelty for no particularly useful reason.

(Which, as Ozy points out, are questionable horror stories at that.)

Geez, let them cuddle whoever they want and give them a really strict lecture about safe sex.

(In the modern age, the real risk might be that in absence of a strong anti-incest taboo, the social effects of in-group sex are fairly pernicious. Your drama is terrible, power dynamics get involved, and you have even less incentive to ever talk to anyone outside your hive. But by that logic you might as well ban sex in group houses and subcultures too.)

mitigatedchaos

Once the taboo is gone, nothing short of an armed revolution by social conservatives will get it back, and it isn’t clear that trying to scale it back to a proportionate response will keep the taboo at all.

Source: sigmaleph
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mitigatedchaos

@argumate

one million notes but it’s just people going “I know right!!!” instead of dating this person

That makes me wonder who I’d get if I updated my dating profile with my blog description.

Crypto-Centrist Transhumanist Nationalist. Type-19 Paramilitary Cyborg. Wanted time criminal. Class A-3 citizen of the North American Union. Opposed to the Chinese Hyper Mind-Union, the Ultra-Caliphate, Google Defense Network, and the People’s Republic of Cascadia. National Separatist, enemy of the Earth Sphere Federation government and its unificationist allies.

Would it be the mad?  Those with strange humor?  Aspiring science fiction writers?

Oh who am I kidding, I don’t have the time/energy for a romantic partner right now.

argumate

real question is how you would react to an equivalent profile

mitigatedchaos

Boring answer: Depends on the context in the rest of the profile.

Fun answer: Send an opening message in-character.  You humans like that kind of thing, right?

Sidereal answer: I don’t date time paradox duplicates.  I mean, if you think ordinary genetic risks are bad…

Source: mitigatedchaos shtpost

Old: A white man goes to Asia and learns their mystical art of kung fu.  He becomes better than all the students that have lived there their whole lives, then returns to America to seek vengeance for his dead buddy cop.

New: A white man goes to Asia and learns their mystical art of sushi.  He becomes better than all the students that have lived there their whole lives, then returns to America to open an Asian Fusion restaurant to seek vengeance against GMO food.

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@argumate

one million notes but it’s just people going “I know right!!!” instead of dating this person

That makes me wonder who I’d get if I updated my dating profile with my blog description.

Crypto-Centrist Transhumanist Nationalist. Type-19 Paramilitary Cyborg. Wanted time criminal. Class A-3 citizen of the North American Union. Opposed to the Chinese Hyper Mind-Union, the Ultra-Caliphate, Google Defense Network, and the People’s Republic of Cascadia. National Separatist, enemy of the Earth Sphere Federation government and its unificationist allies.

Would it be the mad?  Those with strange humor?  Aspiring science fiction writers?

Oh who am I kidding, I don’t have the time/energy for a romantic partner right now.

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itsbenedict

This is not a place of honor. We buried a ton of useless poison sludge here. It shoots invisible death rays that kill you slowly, so don’t dig it up or you’ll die.

argumate

why don’t we just surround it with something even more toxic that kills people quickly; a few dead explorers could save a village from radiation poisoning

rangi42

Booby traps just signal that there’s something valuable being protected.

argumate

reverse psychology: surround it with huge advertising signs that visibly reek of desperation

bpd-anon

I mean, we aren’t opening up Qin Shi Huang’s underground Mercury (and possibly crossbow) funhouse so maybe explorers in the future would indeed be deterred

argumate

only because he made sure that legends of his House Of Fun And Pain were passed down the generations for us to receive!

which is really the lesson here; if you don’t want people to be harmed by your nuclear waste dumps after the collapse of civilization, maybe you could try avoiding the collapse of civilization.

mitigatedchaos

I brought this up with the Central Committee and said we should reprocess the spent fuel for a 300-400 year storage time instead.

They rejected my proposal on the grounds that the collapse of civilization would inherently involve the destruction of the United States of America as a political entity, and therefore anyone harmed by digging up a ten thousand-year-old radioactive waste dump under such conditions would, almost by definition, not be an American citizen.

Sometimes I think the decision to put that Kissinger-Trump bot in charge of the DoE was a mistake.

Source: itsblehnedict mitigated future shtpost trump cw