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Sex Shaming & Status War

The road to ending “slut shaming” of women probably goes through the town of “destroy the norm of giving men status for being sexually successful, and of treating male virgins as disgusting losers”.

I say this because I think some of the desire to enforce sex norms on women relates to the nature of sexual access as a status good for men.  

If a low-partner man gets into a relationship with a high-partner woman, he is considered lower status for it, under multiple frameworks.  Under a “promiscuous women are low-value” framework, it lowers his value by suggesting he had to ‘settle’ for a woman other men could extract sex from but didn’t consider worthy of commitment.  Under a “anyone having a high partner count means they are high-value” framework, it suggests that the woman is higher value than he is (which is risky if men are judged more on status than women are), and that the way for him to raise his value is to have lots of meaningless sex with lots of people.

If a low-partner man and a high-partner man are in the same community, the low-partner man is lower status than the high-partner man is, since masculinity is contingent on success, and success with women is counted as one category of success.  (In fact, one of the socially damaging aspects of virginity / lower partner count is that it is considered “unmasculine”.)

This creates a strong motivation for status war.  If low-partner men can attack promiscuity in women, they can create a situation where women have partner counts closer to their own.  Failing that, they can lower the status of such women so that they’re at least not higher status than themselves.

Unless their sexual success is decoupled from their social status, men will always have a motivation to wage status war through “slut shaming”.

The way to alter the status of high-partner men is not through straight men themselves, since their value in this respect is conferred by women.  (Low-partner men are already low status, so they have less social power to alter these very norms.)  It’s through the actions of women.

One way to do this is for women to start treating promiscuous men the way promiscuous women were treated in the past.  If women started treating high-partner men like hot potatoes that are disgusting, low-status (like male virgins are now), and aren’t worthy of sex (not just commitment, as getting a woman to commit isn’t considered special), it would radically alter the status dynamic in male communities.

Another possibility is if commitment from women somehow became more difficult to get, and thus was considered special and more valuable than sex, but it’s unclear under what conditions this would emerge as a stable equilibrium.  Current conditions don’t favor it or any obvious paths to it.  The traditional norm is the opposite - women trade sex to get commitment.  If this could be changed, it would increase the status of a man the woman finally ‘settled’ for.  (It appears to be true in the opposite direction currently.)

Another way to do it is to treat low-partner and high-partner men the same in a very noticeable way so that men will start internalizing that being high-partner isn’t the same as getting the “approval from women” they need to prove their masculinity and raise their status.  This doesn’t mean in fields unrelated to sex.  The status comes from sex, so they have to be treated as equally sexually desirable, perhaps even the virgins.

All of these courses of action have their own problems.  Depending on the balance of nature vs nurture, some or all of them may not even be feasible.  They may do secondary damage.  They may just not be enjoyable to a lot of people.

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argumate

It was the year feminists agreed that “dick is abundant and low value”

In short, gymtw is centered around the idea that women deserve to be directly compensated by men for the emotional labor they provide.

Misandry has gone mainstream, and unfortunately the irony seems to be lost on men.

women are using performative misandry as both comedy and coping mechanism; a way to bond with each other and commiserate about the seeming inevitability of their oppression. In a way, it’s the logical alternative to the real violence we might have enacted if we had decided to actually revolt.

Even if feminists sincerely did want to kill all men, ban all men, or bathe in male tears, it would be a logistically difficult and absurd proposition.

And I won’t lie: Making you uncomfortable — not afraid or hurt, but just a little bit discomfited — is part of the point.

Feminist misandry is an act of reclamation. It’s a way to defang the accusations that at worst get women killed and at best get them ostracized. It is an extended exercise in harmless trolling.

[K]ill all men’ — even in jest — is a reminder of the historical role white women play in white masculine violence against men of color.

The world is actively hostile to women in a way that it isn’t to men.

The rising prominence of feminism in mainstream discourse does mean that fewer men will automatically have access to unearned privilege.

That is, after all, the goal: To convert our society into the meritocracy we have long claimed already existed.

I don’t really have anything to say about these quotes, but I find them interesting to read, like elaborate permutations of a discourse rubik’s cube.

the-grey-tribe

I recognize about half of the quotes and could tell you the authors and outlets where they appeared. Hate-sharing and clickbait seem to work better on me than I’d like to admit.

ranma-official

“When you say ‘I hate you’, do you mean hate me?”

“I don’t hate just you personally, I hate every single person in a group you belong to and find that this seething hatred a great way to bond”

“oh, well, that makes it better.”

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ranma-official

Anonymous asked:

No one advocates corrective rape for asexual people. Corrective rape is used against gay men and lesbian women.

ranma-official answered:

No one except for the people who advocate it!

mitigatedchaos

Considering that refusing sex is still considered “abusive” in some institutional texts on relationships, it’s about as believable that the same sort of people who advocated “corrective” rape for gays and lesbians would advocate it for asexuals.  If they don’t it’s probably because they’re unaware of asexuals, not that they actually respect them or their wishes.

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ranma-official

Anonymous asked:

Wait... do you think ace people aren't LGBT? :/

afloweroutofstone answered:

A lot of ace people are LGBTQ. I typically go with the standard definition of “if you experience any significant same-sex attraction, you’re LGBTQ,” and just being asexual or aromantic doesn’t disqualify you from that. I would also consider people who experience no attraction at all (asexual and aromantic) as LGBTQ too, but that’s just me personally. But people who are asexual and heteroromantic or aromantic and heterosexual are not LGBTQ.

What I really objected to in that post was the idea of categorizing an HIV activism blog as “aphobic”

ranma-official

i think asexuality is obviously automatically included in category of People Who Do This Gender Thing Weird

afloweroutofstone

That’s fine. Others would object to defining LGBTQ like that, but my opinion on this topic isn’t too strong, honestly.

ranma-official

basically, there are basically “LGBT as identity” and “LGBT as community” and maybe the third “LGBT as labels”.

Allies are in the second but not the first and might be in the third. asexuals are definitely in the third. The problem is when people try to draw huge equal signs between the three.

The third also has a whole bunch of different categories of people that many people from the second are mortified to even acknowledge.

mitigatedchaos

When it comes down to it, people tend to use “LGBTQ” to mean “gender and sexual minorities”.  Asexuality qualifies as a sexual minority, especially if it’s permanent or more-or-less someone’s default state.

Source: afloweroutofstone gender politics
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silver-and-ivory

I had an idea. What if we just stop gendering toys?

I had LEGOs and they came in boy colors, but I didn’t know, I was five years old and I thought they were fun to play with! What if we gave kids functional toys and imaginative toys and anything in between, and just ignored gender?

ranma-official

Less profitable.

Lego started selling girl Legos and got such a massive surge in profits you would think three new Star wars movies came out. Not that Legos were boy only in the first place.

mitigatedchaos

This is actually the reason they started the whole “Girl LEGOs” thing in the first place.  The LEGO sets for girls are the result of a lot of focus group testing in addition to market research, if I remember correctly.  It isn’t actually arbitrary.  The things make bank, and the previous ones just didn’t sell as many kits to girls.

Source: silver-and-ivory gender politics
argumate
argumate

so I’ve been blogging fairly consistently on here for the past two years now but I haven’t received my first check yet, do I have to contact @staff myself or

mitigatedchaos

You need a sponsor like Blacktower IFG or General Atomics.  Private sponsors pay a bit better than state sponsors usually, but they’re harder to get.  

If you’re willing to go for lower bids, you can always get cash from the Middle Kingdom, but you might have to swallow a bit more of your pride than you would for one of the Western nations.

I’d tell you some of mine, but my contract prohibits disclosure.  (That’s par for the course for most sponsors that aren’t political campaigns.)

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