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Anonymous asked:

i don't know who else to complain to about this but everydayfeminism just posted an article saying trumpcare was inevitable and we should all be focusing on 'ancestral medicine' instead, including asking our ancestors for healing and going outside more (while being careful not to culturally appropriate of course) and i'm just... honestly floored? some of the stuff that has crept into the 'mainstream sj' collective consciousness is so unbelivable i wanna die

memecucker answered:

http://everydayfeminism.com/2017/08/trumpcare-ancestral-medicine/

Oh My Fucking God

[big-block-of-cheese-day]

The one thing all of my ancestors (with a few exceptions one generation up from me) have in common is that they’re dead.

[funereal-disease]

The idea of asking permission before engaging in another culture’s healing practice is…bizarre. If you have a cure for my (hypothetical) cancer and won’t give it to me because I’m the wrong ethnicity, am I supposed to just go “okay, guess I’ll fucking die then”? Like, taking that to its logical conclusion, it is better to *die* than to appropriate a culture.

Unless the idea is that certain medical practices only work on people of certain ancestry, in which case we’re right back to some very troubling eugenic implications.

[mitigatedchaos]

Racism, but in, you know, a Woke way. Free with every box of Social Justice Fandom brand breakfast cereal.

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Anonymous asked:

You are indeed not the only one to have noticed that incentive, FWIW.

We’ll have to remember it if we ever time travel far enough back to be crowned emperors of some ancient territory, my dear Anon.

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[collapsedsquid]

Trying to put a few more of my scattered thoughts on this “hardcore civic nationalism“ thing just so I can synthesize what I’ve seen.

I think this group has a complicated relationship with immigration.  There is this abstract sense with which they are pro-immigration because part of being a good nation is having people, but it depends on those national cultural institutions being strong.  They are in favor of cultural institutions being strong in part so they can allow immigration, there’s this very assimilationist thought here.  They have some opinions on what that national cultural thought should be, but it’s more critical that the thought exists than the precise details of that thought. You can synthesize the idea of their nationalism there, it’s sort of “our nation is so great that other people want to join it”

I sort of mentioned the rightward edge because I needed to separate them from ethnic nationalists, but there is a leftward social democratic leaning edge too.  The public works aspect provides opportunities to help people build a society while making sure nobody goes hungry, they’d take unemployment seriously, and anti-racist measures are both good in themselves and perfectly reasonable as methods of building national cohesion. Conceptually, you can sort of view this national culture thing as reducing the need for hierarchy, instead of having society conceptualized by you serving your boss, priest, or husband, everyone serves the national idea and we are all nominally equal.  So this can be thought of and constructed as egalitarian.

[mitigatedchaos]

That is all pretty reasonable, though alternatively under immigration, a nationalism which believes in national cultures and accompanying law bundles can view immigration as matching people according to desired legal/cultural configuration. Therefore, for it to make sense, some level of immigration/emigration should exist, though not necessarily for major net growth.

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The thing is, I don’t think what the racial nationalists want is racism as a terminal value.  I think for most of them, there are other things that they want, and they see having an [ethnicity]-only country as the only practical or effective way to achieve these things.

This is why I believe most of them can eventually leave racial nationalism, if we work towards making the conditions right, which requires a bunch of stuff we should be doing anyway even if there were no racial nationalists.

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trickytalks asked:

What are beliefs common among "hardcore civic nationalists"?

collapsedsquid answered:

They’re skeptical of globalization in general just like the other anti-establishment groups, and tend towards anti-interventionism. They’re generally in favor of public infrastructure and public projects, but have mixed thoughts on welfare.  Assimilation and the act of building the national culture are a big deal, that affects their views on immigration which can be flexible depending on their view of circumstances.  Seem to shun ethnic nationalism, I get the impression that some of them on the rightward edge do buy into some form of bell curve stuff but they’ve decided it’s basically not terribly important, if somebody isn’t highly intelligent there’s a lot of work to be done that doesn’t require high intelligence to do. Neither especially pro or anti-market, I think they tend towards “not too afraid of public spending or taxation but somewhat anti-regulation.“

And you can sort of see that as a third way, it’s the recognition that you depend on the people and environment around you and therefore you can’t really get away from this concept of the common good and improving society, but skeptical of taking it too far.  “selfish collectivism“ might be a somewhat trollish way of putting it.  Class-wise I think the people I’ve seen with it are educated professionals, I think this sort of inherits from “Rockefeller Republicans“

@mitigatedchaos, you are sort of close to this but you’re not a central example. This is pretty much random disconnected things I’ve found off tumblr, there isn’t really a big repository or central hub of this that I can think of.  I mean, I’m not even honestly sure this is a real ideology or something I’m putting together in my head from people I think speak similarly but who don’t actually agree with each other.

[mitigatedchaos]

It might be more of a thing if the US had more parties.

I know I’m trying to synthesize a lot of stuff while not ignoring the tyranny of the rocket equation of the economy, so to speak.

Some evil biostuff is probably true on some level, but we haven’t yet tried having social policy that doesn’t suck and tbh we haven’t even tried bulk distribution of multivitamins/etc.

Though some of this on my part is trying to put ideas into liberals about how to actually achieve their Happy Liberal Land without fking it up, seeing as there are a lot more of them than people out searching for harder civic nationalism or national technocracy.

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[mitigatedchaos]

I can’t be the only one that has noticed that modern collective intergenerational ethnic justice incentivizes having wiped out conquered peoples to the last man, woman, and child, because then there is no one to initiate the “lawsuit”.

[mitigatedchaos]

@wirehead-wannabe

How many cases do we have of that, and how did it actually work out relative to leaving a small or moderate amount of people alive?

There are other options, which include inter-marrying/etc until there is not enough difference to tell, and thus the equivalent of a lawsuit cannot be pressed, but often this is not very nice, either.

But basically, until recently, just about every ethnic group did some combination of these two in order to obtain and control territory, from what I can tell, with few exceptions.  And of course, we’re not likely to hear much about the guys that got wiped out, as they’re no longer around to protest.

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nypost.com

Man stabbed after haircut gets him mistaken for a neo-Nazi

This Colorado man is avowedly not a neo-Nazi. But he believes his long-on-top, buzzed-on-the-sides haircut got him mistaken for one — and nearly stabbed to death by a confused anti-fascist.

[mitigatedchaos]

You know that Tumblr “Anti-Nazi” FAQ post that ends with “what if I thought I was punching a Nazi, but it was actually just a white dude with a shitty haircut?” “Run.”?

I said that was a terrible idea, but I didn’t expect it to get quite so literal.

Of course, in this environment, who knows if this is real, but this is basically what one would expect.  The most punch-happy are going to be the least controlled about who they punch.

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[marcusseldon]

Sometimes I worry that everybody, including me, EA’s, silicon valley, the media, and so on should be more concerned about climate change than we actually are.

[argumate]

the most effective thing to be doing at any given moment is trying to take over the world

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[enrique262]

The infamous spy satellite NRO Launch 39 or NROL-39, also known as USA-247, which came under the spotlight of the media and public alike thanks to an extremely self-aware logo, an octopus sitting astride the globe with the motto “Nothing Is Beyond Our Reach”, which was created around the time the current global surveillance controversies first came to light. 

[mitigatedchaos]

Okay, but if I were in charge of the government, that would definitely be my aesthetic.

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Anonymous asked:

Not gonna lie, "flyover country" is probably not a great start in the whole empathizing/harmony building process...

argumate answered:

hey you can try crossing the Nullarbor on foot, apparently it’s been done

[shieldfoss]

Gonna be real honest, that looks like a First-Pass Render before any of the artists have started adding assets or customizing.

[argumate]

well that makes sense as all the wildlife looks like haphazard customisations of creatures from more polished continents