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collapsedsquid

Scott Adam’s “It’s going to be embarrassing to be anti-trump six months after inauguration“ is funny, but thinking back I saw a fair amount of that type of stuff.  People really seemed to think the infrastructure stuff was going to happen, not just on the right, there’s this cluster of anti-establishment centrists that weren’t terribly pro-trump as a person but really seemed to hope something would happen.

mitigatedchaos

As one of those centrists, I should not have overestimated the competence of the Republican Party just because the Democratic Party is stupid. Ofc, I didn’t go proclaiming it to the hills because I always figured it might not happen. He still has a few years left to accomplish this, though.

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reasonandempathy
chicago.cbslocal.com

Pastor Wants Presidents' Names Removed From Washington, Jackson Parks Over Ties To Slavery

Bishop James Dukes wants Washington Park and Jackson Park to be renamed, and a statue of George Washington removed.
rtrixie

Didn’t we predict this would happen. They’re coming for your history and nothing is safe from being declared bad and worthy of destruction.

sighinastorm

Yes, but there’s a difference.  This will never happen.  This pastor can go gently caress himself. 

reasonandempathy

People are acting like they haven’t been saying this shit for years already.

This rhetoric is as old, if not older than, the Black Panther Party.  Treating it like something new just means you’ve been ignorant up til now.

mitigatedchaos

People are acting like white nationalists are just now popping back into existence, as if their dumb marches hadn’t been going on the entire time, and that this is an emergency and we must give social license to left-wing vigilantes to attack people outside of the law. Though in fairness, the confederate statues hadn’t gone anywhere for years, and now they’re being removed in many places.

I’d like to see you and rtrixie make a bet on this.

reasonandempathy

You’re inaccurate, but only by half.

Left-wingers and American Liberals have been talking about white nationalism, white nationalists, and far-right extremists for years now.  They were talking about it all through the Bush and Obama presidencies, as were the FBI and Department of Justice.

They’ve just grown and gotten so big recently that now the right-wing can’t ignore them anymore, so now they have to acknowledge it as well.

mitigatedchaos

I lived through the Bush and Obama presidencies, and the left-wingers and liberals I knew were not doing this “OMG NAZZIS!!” thing at this level. Obviously, some of them ran around calling GWB a Fascist, which is part of why I don’t treat their outrage on this as serious, but it wasn’t lit up like this. There are a bunch of things they won’t actually do that they’d need to do for me to respect their outrage again.

Source: rtrixie politics
the-grey-tribe

Anonymous asked:

Er, since when is Google 'free' unless your library's easily accessed? The electronics that support Internet access & research (much less proper cross-referencing) don't spring from thin air. Sometimes people are simply not given the time & energy (mental or physical) to keep up. Doesn't mean it's OK to generalize or interrogate any affronted individual, but holy crap does this 'absorb everything by osmosis' approach not work for anyone who can't run the treadmill all day every day.

fierceawakening answered:

…someone who understood what i was trying to say, omfg

and also like… do people know what to Google? I do, but that’s because I’ve already been in SJ circles

I mean, like, I haven’t actually Googled “things that offend POC” (and wouldn’t) but I can easily imagine that it, or queries like it, might return exactly the sorts of result SJ types would not want un-woke-yet wypipo reading.

So it’s… my problem is it seems so much like advice from inside the circle. And… dude, we have a country to save. We need to be talking to people outside the circle, getting them to come in. And that means not setting up barriers like “don’t talk to me unless you are THIS woke”

arjan-de-lumens

Yeah, googling can produce some seriously bad results from time to time - like, right now, typing “did holocaust happen” into Google actually gives me a page titled … “Top 10 reasons why the holocaust didn’t happen” as its #1 search result … wtf.


SPLC did some time ago post a piece ( https://www.splcenter.org/20170118/google-and-miseducation-dylann-roof ) arguing that this sort of terrible google results to unfortunately-formulated queries was actually an important part of what got someone like racist mass murderer Dylann Roof drawn into violent white supremacism in the first place.

Which makes it … kinda odd to see that flippant “google it” type responses without any specifics (like, say, search phrases or date ranges or similar) are apparently still a thing.

fierceawakening

This!

I wanted to say that too but I didn’t have the evidence ready to hand. Thank you!

isaacsapphire

I had a discussion with someone who, it turns out, was using “Whiteness” to mean “White supremacy” which last time I checked they maintained should have been understood effortlessly by others to mean that. It’s three pages into the Google results with “Whiteness definition Sociology” before that meaning is mentioned.

A link to eg. that Everyday Feminism or Ta-Nehisi Coates article that explains whatever is WAY more helpful and less likely to send an already irritated and uninformed person into the hands of people who violently disagree with Social Justice.

fierceawakening

That, yes.

Honestly I really don’t like these weird… expanded definitions of “white supremacy” much either. I mean, I think it’s worthwhile to mention that white people who fancy ourselves nice and nonoppressive can hold views that are actually grounded in some weird racist shit.

But if whiteness itself is “white supremacy,” how the hell do we accurately describe what happened in Charlottesville, or the ideology those people openly endorsed?

the-grey-tribe

> Everyday Feminism or Ta-Nehisi Coates

Not sure if that’s even productive. Maybe Bannon was right, and the whiteness=white-supremacist identity politics equivocation will make white people vote for white identitarians because there is no escape anyway.

EF feels like a parody of itself.

fierceawakening

I am leery of any sentence that begins “Maybe Bannon was right,” but I honestly do think that the tendency to label oneself based on groups has become incredibly intense these days, and I’m not surprised to see white supremacists saying “this is about my white identity” these days.

What’s that saying? “The Devil can quote Scripture for his purposes?”

the-grey-tribe

When Bannon called that professor on the phone, he said that identity politics will turn white people into white nationalists faster than it turns out PoC to vote Democrat.

mitigatedchaos

We can model ethnopol as having two aspects - attack, or as basis for resource extraction, and defense, as basis to prevent outsider resource extraction. The formation of ethnic identity can be reinforced by either, and potentially reinforces both. So I agree - going heavy on idpol risks reawakening white racial consciousness in a defense framing (even if one thinks that isn’t morally valid/permissible), which can then be shifted to an attack framing, which is bad, because of reasons already expressed at length by many people.

Source: fierceawakening racepol
reasonandempathy
chicago.cbslocal.com

Pastor Wants Presidents' Names Removed From Washington, Jackson Parks Over Ties To Slavery

Bishop James Dukes wants Washington Park and Jackson Park to be renamed, and a statue of George Washington removed.
rtrixie

Didn’t we predict this would happen. They’re coming for your history and nothing is safe from being declared bad and worthy of destruction.

sighinastorm

Yes, but there’s a difference.  This will never happen.  This pastor can go gently caress himself. 

reasonandempathy

People are acting like they haven’t been saying this shit for years already.

This rhetoric is as old, if not older than, the Black Panther Party.  Treating it like something new just means you’ve been ignorant up til now.

mitigatedchaos

People are acting like white nationalists are just now popping back into existence, as if their dumb marches hadn’t been going on the entire time, and that this is an emergency and we must give social license to left-wing vigilantes to attack people outside of the law. Though in fairness, the confederate statues hadn’t gone anywhere for years, and now they’re being removed in many places.

I’d like to see you and rtrixie make a bet on this.

Source: rtrixie politics torches in the night
the-grey-tribe

Anonymous asked:

Er, since when is Google 'free' unless your library's easily accessed? The electronics that support Internet access & research (much less proper cross-referencing) don't spring from thin air. Sometimes people are simply not given the time & energy (mental or physical) to keep up. Doesn't mean it's OK to generalize or interrogate any affronted individual, but holy crap does this 'absorb everything by osmosis' approach not work for anyone who can't run the treadmill all day every day.

fierceawakening answered:

…someone who understood what i was trying to say, omfg

and also like… do people know what to Google? I do, but that’s because I’ve already been in SJ circles

I mean, like, I haven’t actually Googled “things that offend POC” (and wouldn’t) but I can easily imagine that it, or queries like it, might return exactly the sorts of result SJ types would not want un-woke-yet wypipo reading.

So it’s… my problem is it seems so much like advice from inside the circle. And… dude, we have a country to save. We need to be talking to people outside the circle, getting them to come in. And that means not setting up barriers like “don’t talk to me unless you are THIS woke”

arjan-de-lumens

Yeah, googling can produce some seriously bad results from time to time - like, right now, typing “did holocaust happen” into Google actually gives me a page titled … “Top 10 reasons why the holocaust didn’t happen” as its #1 search result … wtf.


SPLC did some time ago post a piece ( https://www.splcenter.org/20170118/google-and-miseducation-dylann-roof ) arguing that this sort of terrible google results to unfortunately-formulated queries was actually an important part of what got someone like racist mass murderer Dylann Roof drawn into violent white supremacism in the first place.

Which makes it … kinda odd to see that flippant “google it” type responses without any specifics (like, say, search phrases or date ranges or similar) are apparently still a thing.

fierceawakening

This!

I wanted to say that too but I didn’t have the evidence ready to hand. Thank you!

isaacsapphire

I had a discussion with someone who, it turns out, was using “Whiteness” to mean “White supremacy” which last time I checked they maintained should have been understood effortlessly by others to mean that. It’s three pages into the Google results with “Whiteness definition Sociology” before that meaning is mentioned.

A link to eg. that Everyday Feminism or Ta-Nehisi Coates article that explains whatever is WAY more helpful and less likely to send an already irritated and uninformed person into the hands of people who violently disagree with Social Justice.

fierceawakening

That, yes.

Honestly I really don’t like these weird… expanded definitions of “white supremacy” much either. I mean, I think it’s worthwhile to mention that white people who fancy ourselves nice and nonoppressive can hold views that are actually grounded in some weird racist shit.

But if whiteness itself is “white supremacy,” how the hell do we accurately describe what happened in Charlottesville, or the ideology those people openly endorsed?

the-grey-tribe

> Everyday Feminism or Ta-Nehisi Coates

Not sure if that’s even productive. Maybe Bannon was right, and the whiteness=white-supremacist identity politics equivocation will make white people vote for white identitarians because there is no escape anyway.

EF feels like a parody of itself.

mitigatedchaos

It’s difficult for me to see that kind of strategic equivocation as *not* bad-faith-motivated.

Source: fierceawakening politics culturepol racepol gendpol
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