mitigatedchaos

sinesalvatorem

kirbymatkatamiba

@sinesalvatorem A while back in reference to this post about a different video decrying sexual racism you said:

Someday, someone is going to 100% seriously claim that gay men and straight women are sexist for not finding women hot, and I am going to bash my skull in against a gay rights monument.

Well. um. I hope you won’t feel the need to bash your skull against anything, but:

In the comments of this video, someone made this excellent critique:

I very much disagree that a sexual preference can be “racism”… Similarly, the fact that I have no sexual preference for men does not make me sexist. What you find attractive is not something you consciously control, so it is wrong to put the label “racist” on it.
I’m curious, Lindsey, if you would consider anyone who is not pan/bisexual to be sexist. If not then why the double standard?

and in her response she said:

…indeed if we preference “race” and call it racism, then preference for “sex” or “gender” would be sexist. It’s not what this episode is about so I didn’t bring it up but I think it is where the world is going. We’re going to realize that sexual orientation, like racial preference is a form of discrimination and have to muddle through what that means and whether or not to change it.

(This is not just anyone saying this, it’s a popular internet sex educator, who is also a clinical sexologist… so yeah I find this pretty fucking horrifying.)

(Also, oh my god, how obvious is it that this is The Worst Argument in the World. Racial/gendered sexual preference = racial/gender discrimination, racial/gender discrimination = racism/sexism, racism/sexism = bad.)

sinesalvatorem

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No no no fuck you fuck you fuck you

I don’t usually feel this intensely about politics but no no no you may never be allowed to have power I cannot allow this person to have power you can’t do that to people can Lindsey Doe please stop existing

This is so so horrifying. I actually liked this show when it first came out, and then I forgot about it, and now I come back and it’s evil?

Most of why I’m so viscerally upset is that her reasoning is this is “where the world is going”. That the inevitable moral arc of the universe must tend toward sexual coercion. “It’s the current year, lesbians! Just let men rape you just do it!”

No no no resist modernity do not accept be martyred to hold hell back no no no

mitigatedchaos

This kind of thing contributes to language where someone’s sexuality (say, men’s) is presented as fundamentally evil and oppressive just for existing, since ordinary methods of refusing to have sex (where just not feeling like it would be acceptable) have been removed. Very dangerous indeed.

Source: kit-peddler gender politics

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bambamramfan

SSC’s latest seems like a classic case of letting gender politics obfuscate power and class issues that cut across gender.

He quotes some PUA:

Polyamory — multiple and simultaneous sexual relationships — means, in practice, a few high value dudes hording all the pussy.

And then he uses both his intuitive experience and his LW survey data to show that men and women in polyamory date about the same number of people. There’s at least no clear cut numerical advantage to men. My experience also agrees.

But what if we neuter that sentence, and look at it again:

Polyamory — multiple and simultaneous sexual relationships — means, in practice, a few high value people dudes hording all the dates.

Which is to say, charismatic and confident people of either gender, dating a lot of people, and awkward and introverted people of both genders dating no one, only one person, or being a hanger on in a larger polycule that doesn’t get a lot of attention from the partner regardless.

That sounds… less implausible. It doesn’t exactly match my observed experience, but it’s not super far from it either. I’ve certainly seen in nerdy groups a Queen Bee that is dating half the men, in a way that seems parallel to the alpha-males that PUA’s fear/worship.

It’s not at all clear that this is bad. This seems just as likely to be the result of “some people want more partners, and are more socially outgoing to find them, while some people want less or are less willing to put themselves out there to meet them,” which would be fine. Or it could be this high-value thing. (I detest rat-tumb’s focus on high-status-males as the evil beneficiary of social engineering, which seems both empirically and ontologically unsound, but from a capitalist-critical perspective, “liberalizing trade regimes” often means “the rich people get more stuff and poor people somehow have less.”)

But, I’m also not going to be surprised by the subjective perspective of people low on the social totem pole. Before, they had hope in this pigeon-hole thing, where each person could get at most one partner, so eventually the people as attractive as them would realize their best chance for a life long relationship was with fellow low-class dates like themselves. It was a bad model, but I’m aware people believed in it. Now they worry no one will be left waiting for them, and they’ll be entirely alone forever. So there’s some people who seem to be having a lot of sex (stealing their jouissance) and they aren’t reaping the benefits.

The answers they come up with are usually dumb, but they are at least seeing/feeling a thing.

mitigatedchaos

Bambam honey darling kun, and also @slatestarscratchpad friend,

I love weird nerds but weird nerds aren’t a representative sample for the behavior of typical relationship norms.

A better example for normies applying this would be all the other countries, territories and communities where polygamy is practiced, as well as communities within the US where one man will have 11 kids by 8 different women.

No full poly until Tranhumanism makes it possible to ‘defect’ from both your sex and sexual orientation, pls.

gender politics

Anonymous asked:

Can you read all your posts under “gender politics” tag and truthfully say that you want to live when the life is like that? I couldn't.

Dearest Anon-kun,

My representation is a bit more dire than how I actually interpret the situation, in part because it’s intended as a counter-balance to mainstream feminism, which strips women of their agency and refuses to critically examine their role in the social dynamics which create these situations.

“Women are powerless” is really quite deeply normalized almost everywhere! It’s very insidious.

Comments regarding even cishet neurotypical women should be regarded as generalizations that do not uniformly apply to the population, and many subgroups don’t necessarily fit them. Additionally, low-status women also exist. In fact, women that don’t fit this mold are more common in my subcultures!

Additionally,

1) I have a reasonable shot at making it to the Transhuman era.

2) I have a close relationship to my ex WRT expressed vulnerability & female companionship, though not sexually.

3) Have you observed the number of self-identified “traps” and other such individuals among the Alt Right? I believe this represents a sign of an impending Male Gender Meltdown, the consequences of which are hard to predict. Overall, I do think progress is being made, as indicated by the appearance of multiple male gender movements.

Also,

All my exes are bisexual (and therefore have no set reason to behave in a certain pattern of attraction), and this blog will continue to not disclose my sex/gender.

Kind Regards,
Miti

P.S. If you are secretly the tumblr user known as BA, this blog hopes for your swift recovery regardless of whether that is low in probability. If you are secretly tumblr user RO, this blog hopes for an increase in your available useful energy.

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argumate

the idea that Milo can’t be racist because he’s Jewish or can’t have regressive gender politics because he’s gay is just strange, I mean isn’t that the exact kind of identity politics weirdness that he and his acolytes decry?

or is it supposed to function as a tu quoque to his opponents?

I mean it just seems like the correct response to allegations of racism or sexism or whatever would be to own it and stick to his guns.

mitigatedchaos

It may be operating on the theory that if this brute categorization is weaponized and shoved in the Left’s face enough, they’ll get the idea that Venn Diagram Intersectionality is dumb and cuts the corners off of people to get them to fit in the overlapping circles of identity prescribed for them.

If that is the intent, it won’t actually work, though. We’re talking about the same political movement that pushed identity politics so much that white nationalism is starting to come back from the dead.

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sinesalvatorem

Anonymous asked:

that's sex workers operating in a secure setting designed to parody courtship priming

sinesalvatorem answered:

And, like, phoneworkers and people in brothels; both of which might be considered “secure”, but neither of which is really an imitation of anything like courtship.

Sure, there’s intimacy, because this is someone you’re being sexual with - but I think that’s kind of the point. These are people who can’t let their guard down around anyone else because they can’t feel intimate with anyone else.

mitigatedchaos

You: “I am noticing a way in which men are experiencing suffering.”

Anon: “Men don’t experience suffering, they’re, uh, just trying to woo [generic] you .”

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argumate

decameter

@digging-holes-in-the-river reminded me of a form of sexism, or at least huge wrongness, that I sometimes suffer from, although I think I’m improving.

Logical belief: as reported by reliable statisticians, women are 52% of the population

Alief: women are a small minority, like 5% or something. They don’t really take part in society.

I think I get this from working in a very male dominated profession, and, to the extent I ever socialise, socialising with people from that profession.

I don’t often seem women complaining about this kind of view, presumably on the view it’s too ludicrous to occur to them, although I think complaints like “why are you treating all women as a uniform special case” are a sort of second-order effect.

argumate

I mean you’d feel like that in some industries, business, politics.

On the other hand: primary school teachers, nurses, dental hygienists (apparently 98% female, in Australia at least).

It’s interesting when you see a particular field pass 50% female intake because you know there’s going to be a shake up coming when all the old guys hit retirement age and society recodes whatever it is as a ‘girl thing’.

Victoria Police has got their female representation up from 8% to 26% and I’m really curious to see how people react if it ever gets to 50% or above, that’ll be totes fun.

mitigatedchaos

Some Normie: as reported by reliable statisticians, women are 52% of the population

A Nerd: women are a small minority, like 5% or something. they don’t really take part in society.

Enlightened Discourse Master: there are no women, only men and traps

Source: decameter gender politics shtpost

bambamramfan

Sexism and Objectification

bambamramfan

Tumblrites are talking about how men rarely feel objectified, both the negative and positive parts of that, so I thought now was a good time to post my essay on men and women, subjects and objected.

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mitigatedchaos

Back when I kept my eyes on MRAs, they called this hyperagency/hypoagency. (Outside of them, there is an idea of “hypermasculinity” applied to black people, but I don’t know the details.) It likely originates in the biological expendability of men as compared to women in terms of being a population bottleneck.

Regardless, because the MRM is a reaction to Feminism and Traditionalism (and could be considered a rogue school of Feminism), it can incorporate these ideas. A high quality MRA is thus often more clueful about gender equality than the median Feminist. Low quality MRAs not so much.

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If I might make a charitable interpretation of @sinesalvatorem Community posts, here…

Let’s suppose our goal is to get religious communities to tolerate LGBT people, maybe by becoming less religious or maybe by just being less fundamentalist about it. (And this sort of thing isn’t just religious in origin.)

It makes sense to know just what it is we’re asking them to give up.

Religion actually is a social technology. Coal is an energy technology. That doesn’t mean soot is good for you.

If a non-religious or religious-but-tolerant community can be designed and instantiated, then exiting from previous non-tolerant religious communities has a much lower cost. (Plus there is the issue of everything else society needs.)

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bambamramfan

Anonymous asked:

Please, enlighten me about your principled dissent from the "orthodoxy" of racism and sexism. Is it possible to get a rationalist to admit, just once, that they hate black people and women? Or will you continue pretending to live in a weird alternate universe where you're an oppressed minority?

bambamramfan answered:

I am very proud of my “ principled dissent from the “orthodoxy” of racism and sexism “ and I hope other people take the same path.

I do not agree with rationalism, as it is an ideology obsessed with cleansing society of the “irrational”, with insufficient humility about what is knowable and insufficient compassion for the unreasonable Other.

Presuming this ask believes it is part of some social justice orthodoxy, then they should know that the problem with their ideology is the obsessive focus on shaming individuals. Classism, racism, and sexism are structural problems that need reworking of the incentives our society lives on. All the constant shaming does is continue the cycle of fear and violence.

Christianity and communism represent an escape from that cycle.

mitigatedchaos

Presumably this is one of those things where anyone who interacts with rationalists is stained with metaphorical blood. The Anon’s level of intellectual charity and, hmn, “accuracy” could be matched with “why do you hate people with autism, anon?”

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I Am A Transwoman. I Am In The Closet. I Am Not Coming Out. — Medium

thegestianpoet

“Because for some transwomen, femininity can feel asymptotic — the closer you get, the more you feel you can never make it.”

This is a…hard, uncomfortable read if you’re a cis woman, but it’s a good read.

suffire

a lot to think about.

pussy-strut

as someone who has engaged in a lot of shitty misguided misandry in the past, this was a crucial read. who is invested in the stability of men as a category n why? how can one speak to one’s experiences with weaponized masculinity without reinforcing other kinds of structural violence, like cissexism and white supremacy?

collaterlysisters

This is a bullshit article. It reflects tremendous self-loathing, and it was irresponsible for Medium to publish it. “It’s so hard the other girls don’t know my tragic trans narrative, because I have made a conscious decision to live it only in dreams and online anonymous op-eds and will never ever tell them.”

This is another case of cis people exploiting the pain and suffering of trans people who aren’t in a position to know better.

I originally discussed this article in some depth on facebook so please read on for a (slightly choppy) elaboration of my reaction:

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antriebsloosigkeit

I just read the text. I don’t know what I think about it yet, but I know one thing for sure : wow, fuck you :) @collaterlysisters

mitoticcephalopod

let me add on to this, fuck you @collaterlysisters

mitigatedchaos

Ah, yes, I read this some time ago.

I can never be a true traditionalist, because I want to build the switch and obliterate dozens of category distinctions in doing so. It’s the only way to end many of the existing tensions within so many systems. Eventually, you have to go beyond triaging with limited resources and build such an overwhelmingly powerful economy that you can choose all the options you wanted before simultaneously.

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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

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