mitigatedchaos

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so like. this is pretty bad for a lot of reasons but I have to pick one in the interests of economy, so for now I’m just going to focus on the issue that “criminal” and “crime” have the biggest noncentrality problem going. Everyone is a criminal and commits crimes on a daily basis; every adult is a felon who commits felonies at least yearly. The negative associations attached to “crime” and “criminal” only usefully describe a tiny minority of the things that are crimes and people that are criminals under the law (with “criminal scum” being an even smaller category than that). This isn’t just semantic nitpicking in this case, it’s the specific issue under contention.

Right, I don’t actually care about foreign nationals immigrating and then getting speeding tickets.  Revoking the citizenship of someone who is a member of a foreign drug cartel or who commits so-called “honor” killings, however, seems reasonable.

The idea was “why bring citizenship into it at all?” and the issue is that an alternative policy where we’re more selective in the first place or impose stiffer penalties is not actually on the table.  I don’t want FGM in the country.  All the instruments to deal with this are blunt, and some less blunt instruments I’m not allowed to use because I’m not allowed to acknowledge certain realities.

(As an aside, America is wacky in that someone concerned about Turkish nationalism should actually be happy if Turkish American formed a Turkish-nationalist political party that denied the Armenian genocide, since it means they’ll be throwing their votes away in every election. The system works, on account of how broken it is!)

That bit wasn’t about America, as you might have guessed.  America isn’t what Erdogan is so hyped about lately.

Edit: I’ll throw on here - culture is not race.  I’m not sure if you tagged because you believe it or because someone else does, but culture is not race, and there’s a reason you don’t see me complaining about other groups that have foreign religions and differing skintones.  That conflation contributed to covering up mass sexual abuse in the UK, and I will not respect it.  I have devalued racism allegations generally by more than half since 2007.