Libertarian let me try an economic argument

Statist Efficiency isn't everything!

Libertarian ok let me try a moral argument

Statist Yeah, but how would that work in the real world?

Libertarian ok let me try an ec

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Libertarian Voluntary action will solve environmental problems.

Statist It's already failing to solve environmental problems in China.

Libertarian But the Chinese government is authoritarian and corrupt and is failing to solve environmental problems.

Statist But it doesn't prohibit solving environmental problems through voluntary action, they lie about the smog levels being low so they would hardly stop you actually clearing the smog, and other countries have environmental problems managed through government. If voluntary action is enough, why isn't it already there and working?