see I like the effort but the problem is that irony doesn’t work when you mix it with sincere ideology
irony works better as a weapon to be used against the enemy (like CSMFFG), not as a recruiting technique
Wait… is this for or against violent resistance? And don’t they know Resistance™ sponsored by Starbucks™ and Nike™ (not actually Nike I’m just picking corps at random now) and Woke Brands has massive establishment backing?
Not as bad as that TMNT one though.
Liberty is not a means; it is an end. One does not defund the program to balance the budget; one resists taxation in order to abolish the programs. The object of property is property. The object of resistance is resistance. The object
of liberty is liberty.
Since taxation is actually good, it sounds you’re advocating for a bad thing as a means to a bad thing
I kind of figure that taxation is a good or as bad as what it’s funding
Alas my friend you are wrong as it is theft.
Why is theft universally wrong?
What squid said, plus there’s a reason states own (yes, own) all the valuable land. It isn’t some kind of accident.
You want a justification? The state owns the land as a joint private owner, you’re just renting it. Tada! Now everything the state does except for foreign invasions is justified.
it’s disturbing how well PUA concepts apply to business and sales negotiations where you typically have two entitled assholes employing peacocking, negs, shittests, last minute resistance, the whole nine yards.
Yeah, I’ve talked about this before elsewhere – IMO this is actually the central insight of PUA: it’s an attempt to apply salesmanship techniques to courtship and flirting. People often dislike that definition because they want to emphasize how “rapey” PUA is and how it treats other people’s boundaries and wishes as desires to be overcome, but, like, that’s exactly how sales and negotiations work. The fact that we consider it unacceptable when it comes to sex is a rare example of us actually having a high degree of scruples about the matter.
In the context of a business deal, though, there’s rarely an underlying threat that the other party is going to beat, forcibly rape, or even kill you if you don’t comply with what they want. Also I do in fact dislike pushy attempts to get me to buy shit, it’s just not socially acceptable to be rude to salespeople in the way that one might be rude to catcallers.
This is definitely a subtext underlying a lot of sexualized interactions, but I don’t think it explains the attitudes toward PUA specifically, because they really don’t seem to be about this. PUA “game” is about sales tricks, not force, and I get the sense that even a totally misogynistic pick-up artist would disdain relying on the threat of force to achieve success, if only because it demonstrates a lack of skill.
What criticism I’ve seen mostly seems to emphasize that hard-sell techniques and emotional manipulation undermine the legitimacy of consent, violate boundaries, and push people into agreeing to things they might regret later. Those are completely legitimate objections, but they do apply to sales generally.
Most sales decisions are reversable in a way that sex isn’t.
Also, its less tied to people’s particular identities. The quality of a product and the needs of a customer are separate from the person, so people are not as emotionally invested.
Also we have pretty strong norms about where and how it is appropriate to sell things, you can do a hard sale technique at a car dealership or in finance, but you couldn’t o it in a lot of industries, and you certainly can’t do it to random friends and family. (Indeed the stereotype of MLM scams is people selling in inappropriate situations )
This is true, but a lot of the mitigating factors in sales were put there by the government against the wishes of the people doing the selling, and in many cases they’ll go to considerable lengths to prevent people from reversing their decisions. Moreover, I’d say it’s probably easier to wreck your life by buying the wrong thing in the wrong way than it is by fucking the wrong person in the wrong way – unquestionably that’s the case if you discount STD’s. Destroying people’s lives, intentionally violating their boundaries, and otherwise harming and parasitizing the vulnerable in the pursuit of profit is a core component of sales as a field, even though any given sales job may not involve it. This bothers people less than I think it probably should.
With small-scale sales that happen in a designated selling place, I’m much less troubled by it, but there are a lot of sectors of sales where making a bad decision could ruin a person’s life and everything is optimized to make sure that as many people as possible do so. The industries where it’s most acceptable to be predatory are also the ones where it’s most destructive to the mark – car sales and finance are big ones, as you note in your examples. And while things like door-to-door and street sales are stigmatized, they’re certainly not stigmatized anywhere near as much as the equivalent style of flirting. So I think it’s fair to say that there is an actual double standard here, particularly in light of the fact that most PUA stuff seems to happen at places where flirting is considered appropriate.
I don’t exactly know where I’m going with all of this, admittedly. I wouldn’t say salespeople should be viewed as negatively as pick-up artists, or that both are benign. But I will say this much: I think that viewing consent and coercion as topics predominantly related to sexuality and the politics of sex – or of having a completely different standard when applied to those fields – warps our ability to think and talk about them.
High pressures over time deep within the internet have led to the crystallization of pure butthurt which can be explored in the cyber-cave linked below:
these people are not mentally well
they need some degree of an intervention because no, being a part of a “resistance” should not come at the expense of your own mental health
Trump is memetic SCP confirmed.
Needs to all be underground for blast resistance.
Unironically: in the fictional Black Forest Country I developed to work out some of my ideas, the quad is the basic unit of civil defense and they’re all equipped with an underground shelter with freeze-dried food in case of nuclear war, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.
It really seems like a lot of the resistance to sex positivity comes from a desire to be able to appeal to a set of socially agreed-upon standards rather than do the work of asserting boundaries. Or, less charitably, out of a desire to artificially increase your dating pool by making people feel like they’re morally obligated to adhere to your standards for a desirable partner.
Higher partner count correlates with lower marriage success rate. Men have also had to deal with paternal uncertainty for millenia. Both are going to have a warping effect. And women are still so protected that men cannot unilaterally order a paternity test in France, so that isn’t going away.
https://thinkprogress.org/german-town-pranked-neo-nazis/ I found this and thought of you, @funereal-disease. The empathetic way of fighting Nazis.
I LOVE THIS
If violence is the only means of resistance you can think of, you aren’t thinking very hard.
I admit, I chuckled at this idea.
Nazism is really not a healthy ideology to hold, the better to raise money to support exiting it.
There’s no logical proof that they can declaw all religions equally, or that the distribution of violence is the same at the tails of all otherwise-declawed religions, though.
Religions are declawed in a secular society naturally as long as no deliberate action (that ensues resistance) is taken. Christianity is very heavily fragmented and society in general has done a really good job declawing it. We are at a “you can’t even prove if God exists or not” level right now. That’s an absurd step down from the absolute majority of humanity’s history
What if your religion expressly forbids secular government/society?
Gets declawed and settles down. Most religions are against any government ever overriding religious laws.
How do you prevent reversion to non-secular society when you constantly import (and don’t police) extremely conservative people that have been cousin-marrying since classical antiquity? Do you know about clannishness vs. W.E.I.R.D.ness?
The allure of sexy secular people, particularly young women, is an extremely well established method of getting the second generation immigrants to defect from their culture.
Well, the Gods of the Copybook Headings with monkhood and marriage return, I guess.
I doubt that’s a long term solution. Eventually the sex and apostasy gets boring and then memory and hopes of marriage call one back, maybe to a better place than one was in at first. It happened to me.
#plz no declaw
You’re Christian. Your religion’s central idea of martyrdom, as popularly understood, and brutally oversimplified, involves the government nailing some guy to a stick.
And in this sense, “declawed” refers primarily to religiously-motivated violence, though I suppose it also refers to virality, which is also a (longer-term) risk factor.
So as you might gather, it isn’t Christianity with its “render unto Caesar” and liberal democratic governments that I’m worried about. Nor Buddhism, nor Hinduism…
Anyhow, I think some of the rampant sex culture will decline on its own even without religion, just from people noticing what they previously weren’t socially allowed to notice - most people do seem to emotionally bond from sex, so for most people it really isn’t just some fun casual activity to do with randoms, and also long-term accomplishment tends to build a higher baseline level of happiness than momentary hedonism.
huh just saw a post alleging that right-wingers can’t resist adding comments to posts, which obvs I can’t comment on directly, wtf
Long live the Union.
rolling a 1 on resist intrusive thoughts
the best part of this is that he “wasn’t charged with a crime because there is nothing against the law about driving a truck through a house, as long as it’s your truck and your house”
