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fireleaptfromhousetohouse: “Hey, guess who’s cottoned on to the ‘power + prejudice = oppression’ setup? (Or, if you like, culturally appropriated it) ” Not at all surprised that the incel subreddit has such unhealthy ideas.
fireleaptfromhousetohouse

Hey, guess who’s cottoned on to the ‘power + prejudice = oppression’ setup? (Or, if you like, culturally appropriated it)

mitigatedchaos

Not at all surprised that the incel subreddit has such unhealthy ideas.

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mitigatedchaos

I’m not sure it matters.  Feminism-the-political-movement and its institutional power is sexist to the point of classifying “forced envelopment” as something other than rape, denies biology (and I don’t mean “lol trans isn’t real” I mean “hormones aren’t a placebo”), is pretty messed up and out-of-sync with people on sex (explicit-verbal-consent-at-every-point for example is not how people, particularly most women, actually want it), effectively denies there are consequences to sexual liberalism, and so on.

They don’t appear to actually believe in female agency, either.

And they publish articles like “MRAs hated Mad Max Fury Road!”, even though if you travel into the MRA viper nest to check, the local MRAs are all “??? what” at this accusation.

The question, I think, is why they hate it so much to lie about it like that.  And I think the reason is because the MRA narrative, at least, is not Traditionalism or Feminism, even though it required both of those to come into existence.  It’s the first challenge to their stranglehold on the gender narrative in some time, and controlling the gender narrative is very valuable politically.

The MRA narrative isn’t spot-on either, but because it contains things Feminism deliberately ignored, it has room to grow, just like Feminism had room to grow due to what Traditionalism ignored.

I also believe it’s a symptom of a looming Male Gender Meltdown that Feminism thinks it wants but is too self-absorbed to carry out.  Like, the Alt Right should not be so full of self-identified “traps”, Bronies were scorched but aren’t compatible with the Feminist/Traditionalist model either, and so on.  These are symptoms, I think, of a situation which has not yet exploded, but the point of criticality is slowly being reached and it’s going to look very strange and I don’t think the cishet neurotypical women are going to like it.

And?  That critical point may arrive just as affordable tissue engineering does.

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sinesalvatorem: “ aellagirl: “ testblogdontupvote: “ aellagirl: “Basically the question is “how would you feel about being raped?” I have not a lot of women, but 84 women said ‘negatively’ and 61 said ‘positively.’ A lot of the women who respond to...
aellagirl

Basically the question is “how would you feel about being raped?” 

I have not a lot of women, but 84 women said ‘negatively’ and 61 said ‘positively.’ A lot of the women who respond to me are sex workers, so maybe that influences it? Also maybe troll men responding as women.

But 813 men said ‘positively,’ compared to only 254 who said ‘negatively.’ Out of men, 76% say they would respond positively to this rape scenario. For comparison, 42% of women would respond positively.

For disclaimer: it’s very possible a lot of people aren’t accurately able to predict their actual responses. Regardless, the gender difference is still very significant, which is my primary interest here.

I have two main thoughts here.

One, is that the “men can’t be raped” trope is based in reality. If a hot woman rapes a man he’s much more likely to like it than if a hot man rapes a woman.

Two, is that, on a very base level, the actual act is pretty similar for both parties. Mouth on genitals, sleeping, all that. There’s equivalent levels of concrete things being done. The difference in enjoyment, then, relies in how culture perceives this differently for gender. Women are conditioned to view this negatively, and men are conditioned to view this positively. The upsetness/joy is entirely in their heads, dictated by society, and is not inherently an actual harm or benefit.

(this being said, that doesn’t mean the harm or benefit felt is any less valid.)

I think this probably is very closely related to the idea that “women are gatekeepers of sex” and “men have to work to earn sex.” My question, then, is should we desire a world where nobody is a gatekeeper and everybody is joyful upon finding themselves raped, or a world where everybody is a gatekeeper and nobody enjoys rape?

testblogdontupvote

Even without looking at men, I really don’t buy the notion that 42% of women would enjoy being raped. It seems much more plausible to me that the majority of respondents of either gender are answering “does this fantasy sound hot?” instead of “what do you think would actually happen?” So this could equally well be picking up on the gender-specific prevalence of rape fantasies or gender-specific (in)ability to tell fantasies from reality.

aellagirl

I’ve asked a lot of questions, in detail, about rape fantasies (in actual surveys, not just twitter polls) and women answer positively to this much more than men. In fact, the dominance/rape/power fantasy area is the single biggest difference in sexual preferences by gender. If the responses were getting conflated with rape fantasies, I’d expect to see a discrepancy in the opposite direction.

sinesalvatorem

Honestly, my guess is that this is a matter of threateningness, and that the disparity is due to the fact that most people are cis and straight. Given that almost all cismen are physically stronger than almost all ciswomen, and you didn’t indicate that the victim was in any way restrained, I bet people of different genders would tend to have different assumptions about how much control they have over the situation.

Straight cismen would often think “OK, that’s cool, and if she does anything I’m not OK with, I can just physically shove her off of me”, while straight ciswomen think “OH MY G-D I’M TRAPPED THERE’S A HUGE PERSON ON TOP OF ME HELP”. Given that we already know the person in question is a rapist, “You will have to use physical force if you want to escape” is pretty much a given. The fact that one group of people is so shot up on naturally-produced steroids that they don’t have to worry about losing such a contest seems like enough reason for this scenario to not freak them out.

Thus, straight cismen are likely to say “negative” just when your scenario seems like an unpleasant violation, while straight ciswomen are likely to say “negative” for that reason or if they have ANY SENSE OF SELF-PRESERVATION.

(For reference, my first thought when I saw this was “Having a stranger do that sounds violating and I wouldn’t want it, but at least I can just throw that person off of me and leave the room”. If I were straight or was taking anti-androgens, I expect my response would have been quite different.)

mitigatedchaos

How many straight men are assuming they brought a woman home while drunk the night before in the question, I wonder…

Also tinged by consent issues - many women may not even think about male consent issues and thus wouldn’t think of themselves as a rapist if they did this to a guy, but might stop if told to.

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ranma-official

Anonymous asked:

No one advocates corrective rape for asexual people. Corrective rape is used against gay men and lesbian women.

ranma-official answered:

No one except for the people who advocate it!

mitigatedchaos

Considering that refusing sex is still considered “abusive” in some institutional texts on relationships, it’s about as believable that the same sort of people who advocated “corrective” rape for gays and lesbians would advocate it for asexuals.  If they don’t it’s probably because they’re unaware of asexuals, not that they actually respect them or their wishes.

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Anonymous asked:

Can you read all your posts under “gender politics” tag and truthfully say that you want to live when the life is like that? I couldn't.

Dearest Anon-kun,

My representation is a bit more dire than how I actually interpret the situation, in part because it’s intended as a counter-balance to mainstream feminism, which strips women of their agency and refuses to critically examine their role in the social dynamics which create these situations.

“Women are powerless” is really quite deeply normalized almost everywhere!  It’s very insidious.

Comments regarding even cishet neurotypical women should be regarded as generalizations that do not uniformly apply to the population, and many subgroups don’t necessarily fit them.  Additionally, low-status women also exist.  In fact, women that don’t fit this mold are more common in my subcultures!

Additionally, 

1) I have a reasonable shot at making it to the Transhuman era.

2) I have a close relationship to my ex WRT expressed vulnerability & female companionship, though not sexually.

3) Have you observed the number of self-identified “traps” and other such individuals among the Alt Right?  I believe this represents a sign of an impending Male Gender Meltdown, the consequences of which are hard to predict.  Overall, I do think progress is being made, as indicated by the appearance of multiple male gender movements.

Also,

All my exes are bisexual (and therefore have no set reason to behave in a certain pattern of attraction), and this blog will continue to not disclose my sex/gender.

Kind Regards,
Miti

P.S. If you are secretly the tumblr user known as BA, this blog hopes for your swift recovery regardless of whether that is low in probability.  If you are secretly tumblr user RO, this blog hopes for an increase in your available useful energy.

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Polyamory Is Not Polygyny

[Content warning: polyamory, brief quote of weird Heartiste stuff] The objections I hear to polyamory tend to separate into two narratives sharing a common thread. The first narrative is supposedly…
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SSC’s latest seems like a classic case of letting gender politics obfuscate power and class issues that cut across gender.

He quotes some PUA:

Polyamory — multiple and simultaneous sexual relationships — means, in practice, a few high value dudes hording all the pussy.

And then he uses both his intuitive experience and his LW survey data to show that men and women in polyamory date about the same number of people. There’s at least no clear cut numerical advantage to men. My experience also agrees.

But what if we neuter that sentence, and look at it again:

Polyamory — multiple and simultaneous sexual relationships — means, in practice, a few high value people dudes hording all the dates.

Which is to say, charismatic and confident people of either gender, dating a lot of people, and awkward and introverted people of both genders dating no one, only one person, or being a hanger on in a larger polycule that doesn’t get a lot of attention from the partner regardless.

That sounds… less implausible. It doesn’t exactly match my observed experience, but it’s not super far from it either. I’ve certainly seen in nerdy groups a Queen Bee that is dating half the men, in a way that seems parallel to the alpha-males that PUA’s fear/worship.

It’s not at all clear that this is bad. This seems just as likely to be the result of “some people want more partners, and are more socially outgoing to find them, while some people want less or are less willing to put themselves out there to meet them,” which would be fine. Or it could be this high-value thing. (I detest rat-tumb’s focus on high-status-males as the evil beneficiary of social engineering, which seems both empirically and ontologically unsound, but from a capitalist-critical perspective, “liberalizing trade regimes” often means “the rich people get more stuff and poor people somehow have less.”)

But, I’m also not going to be surprised by the subjective perspective of people low on the social totem pole. Before, they had hope in this pigeon-hole thing, where each person could get at most one partner, so eventually the people as attractive as them would realize their best chance for a life long relationship was with fellow low-class dates like themselves. It was a bad model, but I’m aware people believed in it. Now they worry no one will be left waiting for them, and they’ll be entirely alone forever. So there’s some people who seem to be having a lot of sex (stealing their jouissance) and they aren’t reaping the benefits.

The answers they come up with are usually dumb, but they are at least seeing/feeling a thing.

mitigatedchaos

Bambam honey darling kun, and also @slatestarscratchpad friend,

I love weird nerds but weird nerds aren’t a representative sample for the behavior of typical relationship norms.

A better example for normies applying this would be all the other countries, territories and communities where polygamy is practiced, as well as communities within the US where one man will have 11 kids by 8 different women.

No full poly until Tranhumanism makes it possible to ‘defect’ from both your sex and sexual orientation, pls.

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Anonymous asked:

so in other words, become a chad if you don't want to get falsely accused of rape??

There is no guarantee, and if you look like a sufficiently valuable target, you may be attacked regardless, however…

Being attractive and high-status is a major defense against many forms of social attack.  People will like you and make excuses for you, when they won’t for equally-deserving others that are less handsome and less popular.

It can help even in environments that say they are against lookism and unfair benefits from popularity.

The best defense against this particular accusation, of course, is to be born cis female.  (Of course, that’s still only a partial defense.)

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slartibartfastibast

Anonymous asked:

Just heard an archive recording of some reporter dismissing a particular rape case and he said something like "so many rapes happen, so why do news outlets pay particular attention to cases that benefit a right-wing narrative", and he's darkly hinting racism hard, and I'm just thinking "maybe it's because those are the cases that your policies directly caused, you dumb piece of shit".

slartibartfastibast answered:

mitigatedchaos

My own view is that some of these things are easier to prevent and deal with than others.

We’ll probably never get rid of all the sex crimes.  Or all the muggings.  Or all the murders.  We’ll have to keep chipping away at them forever.

But some marginal sources of murders, or arsons, or sex crimes are much, much greater than others.  So not taking taking steps that have a high marginal reduction in crimes for a low marginal cost is dumb.  Doubly so if the reason for not doing so is also dumb/erroneous.

And also in this sense I tend to view the increase as being largely unnecessary, whereas we must essentially accept that there will be some minimum number of car thefts if we don’t execute all car thieves and a number of innocents accused of car theft.

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theonion: “SAN FRANCISCO—In an effort to reduce the number of unprovoked hostile communications on the social media platform, Twitter announced Monday that it had added a red X-mark feature verifying users who are in fact perfectly okay to harass....
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SAN FRANCISCO—In an effort to reduce the number of unprovoked hostile communications on the social media platform, Twitter announced Monday that it had added a red X-mark feature verifying users who are in fact perfectly okay to harass. “This new verification system offers users a simple, efficient way to determine which accounts belong to total pieces of shit whom you should have no qualms about tormenting to your heart’s desire,” said spokesperson Elizabeth James, adding that the small red symbol signifies that Twitter has officially confirmed the identity of a loathsome person who deserves the worst abuse imaginable and who will deliberately have their Mute, Block, and Report options disabled. “When a user sees this symbol, they know they’re dealing with a real asshole who has richly earned whatever mistreatment they receive, including profanity, body-shaming, leaking of personal information, and relentless goading to commit suicide. It’s really just a helpful way of saying to our users, ‘This fuck has it coming, so do your worst with a clear conscience and without fear of having your account suspended.’” At press time, Twitter reassuredly clarified that the red X was just a suggestion and that all users could still be bullied with as little recourse as they are now.

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