another rationalist/adjacent pathology I see around a lot
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rocketverliden asked:
Where do I fit in in Discourse Suit Aries?
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I’m sorry to say this, but as an experienced Gundam fan, you are the DSX-05L Custom Prototype Full-Autonomous Discourse Suit revealed by the World State in episode 18 and added to the ship’s crew, that sides against the mass-production autonomous discourse suits fielded by the Mysterious Organization in season 2.
It’s just how it is. Don’t worry, your self-sacrifice in season 2 episode 23 is touching and heroic.
silver-and-ivory asked:
wait but why am i a fan favorite who saves the protagonist. this is inexplicable.
The very fact that you don’t understand why you’re a fan favorite that saves the protagonist in the middle of Discourse Suit combat is part of why you’re suitable for the part of fan favorite that saves the protagonist in the middle of Discourse Suit combat. ☆ ★
silver-and-ivory asked:
wait but why am i a fan favorite who saves the protagonist. this is inexplicable.
mitigatedchaos answered:
The very fact that you don’t understand why you’re a fan favorite that saves the protagonist in the middle of Discourse Suit combat is part of why you’re suitable for the part of fan favorite that saves the protagonist in the middle of Discourse Suit combat. ☆ ★
…thank you?
what are the other parts
Okay, I’ll answer this more seriously.
I recall reading that selfie post where you asked about looking male-sexed but visibly femme. Also, said selfie had long hair. So, not so far off from a bishounen!
Now, in a space mech war anime, there sometimes is a bishounen or maybe biseinen character with long hair. Usually, he is a capable mech pilot, as you don’t want to spend that characterization on an unimportant side character.
Now, you’re more SJish than I am, and I am read as right-wing. The goal of the main antagonist in the first season is not so dissimilar from various Gundam antagonist factions - Space Nationalism - or just plain opposition to the World State. So since I’m on that side and I’m a villain, you of course are on the protagonist’s side.
It makes sense for the protagonist (since this is being hinted at as being harem genre) not to be upstaged by such a guy on his ship! So the logical thing is to place him on another ship. And since the two ships often won’t be together to avoid loss of narrative focus, they will encounter each other several times.
Now then, since the director would want this pretty male character to bring cross-demographic female interest, it makes sense for him to be an ace pilot that rescues the protagonist and maybe gets rescued by the protagonist again later to drive fandom shipping (and thus viewership and merchandise sales).
Fan favorite because this combination of factors leads to shipping wars and conservation of screen-time ninjutsu, but also you have a very earnest personality.
(Note that I’m not a proper mecha otaku. Sorry @rocketverliden!)
@wirehead-wannabe doesn’t seem like the type to pilot a mech in a space war, and also is not a Nationalist/Traditionalist/etc, and also this is an anime, and thus ends up as one of the bridge bunnies.
@brazenautomaton I like but left out on the first round because I couldn’t figure out a good one and also didn’t want to accidentally come off harshly.
If I were fictional, what kind of Discourse would I cause?
Ask meme!
…on the other hand, aren’t I kind of riding the line between fictional and real already?
Anime Girls (& boys, but mostly girls because we’re trying to sell manga here) of Rationalist/ Adjacent Tumblr
Discourse Suit Aries: Fires of Orion
@ranma-official: Argumentative girl thought to be flirting with protagonist in comedy filler episode 17, actually interested in protagonist’s love interest. Side plot is dropped entirely once she becomes member of ship’s crew.
@isaacsapphire: The ship’s no-nonsense mechanic.
@mitigatedchaos: Loyal officer of the season 1 main antagonist and mobile suit knightmare frame mech pilot. Actually believes in main antagonist’s plans to bring about World Revolution, and the Hard Choices this requires. Thought to have been defeated and killed by the protagonist ¾ through season 1, returns to investigate/fight the Mysterious Organization behind the World State in season 2.
@slartibartfastibast: Ship’s lab-coated biologist. Secretly working against the Mysterious Organization, as hinted in season 1.
@the-grey-tribe: Ship’s engineer. Keeps the protagonist’s Super Prototype Mech Discourse Suit functioning in between combat engagements.
@collapsedsquid: Journalist investigating the true motives of the season 1 main antagonist, thought to have been killed by the Mysterious Organization near the end of season 1, but revealed to be alive in season 2.
@kontextmaschine: Esoteric ‘hipster’ gets little screen-time, revealed as former member of the Mysterious Organization currently in hiding in season 2, annoying viewers as an underwhelming use of foreshadowing in season 1.
@xhxhxhx: Reasonable Authority Figure of World State District 11, origin point of the protagonist’s ship.
@wrathofgnon: Even more war-hawkish general of the main antagonist.
@silver-and-ivory: Handsome Mech Discourse Suit pilot from other battlegroup rescues protagonist twice in season 1, once in season 2. A fan favorite but doesn’t get much screentime.
@theunitofcaring: Peace activist focused on by plot but brushed aside by ludicrously destructive Discourse Suit war. Finally achieves goal in end of season 2.
@yudkowsky: Thought to be the secret identity of the main antagonist, turns out to be just a philosopher in one of the space colonies.
@bambamramfan: Additional philosopher on Earth. Encountered by the protagonist in season 1 to impart some wisdom with a few other philosophers before departing.
@wirehead-wannabe: Bridge bunny. (Sorry.)
@slatestarscratchpad: Another space colony philosopher. Explains the goals of the Mysterious Organization in season 2 when Yudkowsky is found, but not actually a member of the Mysterious Organization.
@argumate: Generic owl-themed harem protagonist of the spin-off series.
[This article is incomplete. You can help by expanding it.]
@mailadreapta Is a gruff father, and an honorable loyalist colonel of the season 1 main antagonist. He is killed by a shady and corrupt member of the protagonist’s faction during the battle of Space Colony Alpha halfway through season 1, when the protagonist attempts to take him prisoner.
@thathopeyetlives is Col. Dreapta’s lieutenant, and somehow survives until the end of the second season, only to bravely die fighting alien invaders in the follow-up movie.
@brazenautomaton is the ship’s shy, stressed and anxious gynoid AI. The sideplot to fix her permanently burned-in pessimistic Personality Template is sadly dropped during season 2 due to budget cuts. ( :< )
Anime Girls (& boys, but mostly girls because we’re trying to sell manga here) of Rationalist/ Adjacent Tumblr
Discourse Suit Aries: Fires of Orion
@ranma-official: Argumentative girl thought to be flirting with protagonist in comedy filler episode 17, actually interested in protagonist’s love interest. Side plot is dropped entirely once she becomes member of ship’s crew.
@isaacsapphire: The ship’s no-nonsense mechanic.
@mitigatedchaos: Loyal officer of the season 1 main antagonist and mobile suit knightmare frame mech pilot. Actually believes in main antagonist’s plans to bring about World Revolution, and the Hard Choices this requires. Thought to have been defeated and killed by the protagonist ¾ through season 1, returns to investigate/fight the Mysterious Organization behind the World State in season 2.
@slartibartfastibast: Ship’s lab-coated biologist. Secretly working against the Mysterious Organization, as hinted in season 1.
@the-grey-tribe: Ship’s engineer. Keeps the protagonist’s Super Prototype Mech Discourse Suit functioning in between combat engagements.
@collapsedsquid: Journalist investigating the true motives of the season 1 main antagonist, thought to have been killed by the Mysterious Organization near the end of season 1, but revealed to be alive in season 2.
@kontextmaschine: Esoteric ‘hipster’ gets little screen-time, revealed as former member of the Mysterious Organization currently in hiding in season 2, annoying viewers as an underwhelming use of foreshadowing in season 1.
@xhxhxhx: Reasonable Authority Figure of World State District 11, origin point of the protagonist’s ship.
@wrathofgnon: Even more war-hawkish general of the main antagonist.
@silver-and-ivory: Handsome Mech Discourse Suit pilot from other battlegroup rescues protagonist twice in season 1, once in season 2. A fan favorite but doesn’t get much screentime.
@theunitofcaring: Peace activist focused on by plot but brushed aside by ludicrously destructive Discourse Suit war. Finally achieves goal in end of season 2.
@yudkowsky: Thought to be the secret identity of the main antagonist, turns out to be just a philosopher in one of the space colonies.
@bambamramfan: Additional philosopher on Earth. Encountered by the protagonist in season 1 to impart some wisdom with a few other philosophers before departing.
@wirehead-wannabe: Bridge bunny. (Sorry.)
@slatestarscratchpad: Another space colony philosopher. Explains the goals of the Mysterious Organization in season 2 when Yudkowsky is found, but not actually a member of the Mysterious Organization.
@argumate: Generic owl-themed harem protagonist of the spin-off series.
[This article is incomplete. You can help by expanding it.]
More work towards achieving Total Artist Unemployment.
Aloha Argumate-Senpai!: Discourse Beach inches closer to defictionalization.
“You need not fear, captain,” said the man. “We are not Social Justice Warriors, but Discourse Monks from the East.”
The guard captain nodded, and the procession of Rationalists filed into the city.
I was running out of time to create my Anime Expo cosplays (one week before con!) And I knew I wanted to do something challenging but manageable. I remembered that Monster Musume has a bunch of characters with unique features, so I latched on to Miia as my one week challenge!
Bringing it to life was comprised of running around in a panicked frenzy, hoping it would all turn out. I trekked to a faraway discount fabric outlet because I knew I would need a LOT of fabric. The tail from waist to tip is 17 feet long! Constructing it involved tediously repetitive sewing and hot glueing to make the whole tail look uniform and reptillian. I was relieved to finish it on time with a day to spare!
Wearing it to the convention was a whole new nightmare. Not only was it the busiest day Anime Expo had ever seen, but my mobility was extremely limited. Shuffling at a snail’s pace through packed hallways had me sweating and exhausted before I even made it to my destination (the most popular photo of this cosplay was taken just after bunny-hopping up a long staircase!)
When I finally arrived, I was completely overwhelmed with the response I got. I have cosplayed a lot over the last decade, but nothing I’ve done has been as popular as Miia! I’m so thankful for all the encouraging comments both in person and online that made this project worth it.
— @NikkiMoxxi
Snake girls are p. great
@collapsedsquid @xhxhxhx I went to reply to this thread, but when I opened up my draft it was already filled with this discourse from the future.Contra @fakecollapsedsquid2066’s post regarding the high-end prosthetics industry, @mecha-cyborg-xhxhxhx2066’s quick assessment is largely correct.
The development of the high-end monstergirl, monsterboy, and sex-variant full prosthetic bodies does ultimately result in lower costs for the standard bodies purchased by the middle class and for accessories and general implants available under the North American Cybernetics Subsidy Program. The key here is that these benefits are from the mass production models, and not the custom individual models, such as the gold-plated mecha scorpion body built for Ivanka Trump III.
For the custom models, they just use more material, but for the mass production models, the increase in power requirements and weight requires research into battery and materials technology which eventually filters down into the mainline models.
For example, the DSI6 Fault-Tolerant Power Control System in my body (even though I know neither of you guys have it because I’m way more paranoid than either of you) is actually a derivative of the DSI5X originally developed for the high margin DS-56 Rachnera Special, which was high margin, certainly, but sold 10,000 units, in order to increase its operational time from 76 hours to one week without violating the nuclear materials refined arms control act.
Likewise, the Modular Limb System now so commonly used by firefighters and other emergency personnel on more-or-less standard humanoid bodies was originally developed for the Broseidon Systems T-209, which as anyone on this website will remind you, is widely considered incredibly fetishistic and “deeply unnatural”!
Now of course, a lot of this could maybe come from military research, and there’s some argument whether the wealthy rebuilding themselves as fetishized versions of mythological creatures is really a good use of resources, but honestly I doubt that without it we get the same rate of progress.
let monster women look monstrous u fucking cowards
You think that sht pays for itself? You think fucking superconducting magnets for building these enormous full prosthetic bodies are free or something?
Alright, when my company makes some licensed, snake-themed anime bullsht, we can reliably sell 400,000 units. Yeah, that’s not a typo. Not forty units. Not four hundred units. Four hundred thousand units.
That’s what people want. That’s what they buy. That’s what they’re willing to pay for. We are in the business of making what people are willing to pay for. Microtanium alloy does not come cheap.
You think we haven’t tried more ‘exotic’ body designs? We’ve done that. Small batches. Little unique touches for all of them. Totally novel arm and shoulder designs.
You know who buys that? Collectors. Every time we try it it’s a struggle to sell the whole batch for more than it cost us to make it.
That “dumb” pretty design you’re railing against, that is so popular, is compatible with every door handle, every stove, most typical tops, most typical hats, and so on. You can go out tomorrow and buy everything you need for it. All the catalogs already exist, and where they don’t, “human equipment will do.”
Not to mention that, even leaving aside that most of our customers still have to interface with business environments, most humans aren’t gossisexual, they aren’t going to adapt to something too far outside the human bodyplan, and most of our customers don’t want to look hideous, even in the N- and L-band neurotypes. Even shifting most of the muscle control on e.g. the spider special mode to software is straining the neuroplasticity limits of the human brain, and neuroplasticity amplifiers are not free of side-effects.
This is just so woefully naive and idealistic. Really, I’ve had it up to here with outsiders trying to force their aesthetic preferences on my industry.
If you want such a monstrous body, go buy it yourself. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of custom shops that will put one together for you. But don’t go btching about how “your monsterwoman synth bodies don’t look monstrous enough”.