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I don’t think we’ll see Neural Nets creating entire television shows any time soon, in addition to other classes of drawings/images, for two reasons.

1) During the act of creation, human beings are able to constantly evaluate what looks good according to their own tastes, thus acting in a both backwards and forwards search through the content space.  A regular neural network which is orders of magnitude less complex cannot accomplish this or logically reason about it.

2) Filling in certain elements requires higher abstract reasoning, which is more complex and also requires a lot more power.  (e.g., logically deducing facts about things which are not immediately visible in the scene)

What I think we’ll see instead are patches, filters, and tools.  Not “make me a South Park episode”, but “make me a texture of gravel”.  An existing one sharpens up pictures of animu girlz, and likely a NN could be trained to, for example, increase the resolution on old 90′s anime.

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Want some extra fun? Christian here who subscribes both to annihilationism (IE, the "hell = nonexistence" doctrine you're describing) *and* quantum immortality; I call this combination quantum universalism.

While many futurists anticipated broad advances across the technological economy, in fields ranging from computing to materials science, few foresaw the radical advancements in theology that advanced quantum theory would bring.

- The Quantum Fields of God, Ned Halibut, Kansas Revival Timeline, 2308 (retrieved from Church of Mars archives 2609 with permission of Father Gregory)

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kissingerandpals: “What, too good to die forever like every other person on Earth? ” What, you think not-dying is some sort of hubristic demand? “Not wanting to die” is a pretty vanilla position, dude. We even argue over the morality of policy in...
kissingerandpals

What, too good to die forever like every other person on Earth?

mitigatedchaos

What, you think not-dying is some sort of hubristic demand?

“Not wanting to die” is a pretty vanilla position, dude.  We even argue over the morality of policy in terms of how people it saves/kills!  It’s pretty common!

Humanity just came up with a bunch of reasons why going feeble and insane was a good idea because they lacked the means to avoid it, not because going feeble and insane and then not-existing is actually a good thing.  

There’s no point in getting yourself hyped up over vaporware.  However, once the technology becomes closer to being within reach, that changes.

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argumate

“but how will I ever be able to get laid if modern culture frowns upon me getting coworkers drunk and making out with them against their mumbled protestations?? it’s not like my wife is gonna sleep with me lol”

decameter

I have not actually worked out how modern culture proposes people are meant to get laid. 

I mean, people obviously seem to be doing it, but there appears to be no acceptable strategy.

mitigatedchaos

You ignore the recommendations, and prove how manly you are by taking on the risk anyway, getting shut down viciously if you’re too low-status.

The problem is that any permissible channel will be FLOODED due to the mismatch between the demand for sex from women and demand for sex from men, at least at the noisiest age pools.  

Secondly, straight women (generally, on average) do not want to initiate beyond the barest hints, ones that are plausibly deniable if she turns out not to be wanted by that particular guy, leaving her sense of being desirable intact.

What is going to change this is early Transhumanism, as it’s going to alter the sex ratio and potentially result in an increase in bisexuality.

I mean, in practice I used a dating website, which implicitly includes the idea that everyone there for dating is there for dating, and specifies their orientation, so if you don’t have “short/long-term dating” and so on your profile, no fuck for you,

but I don’t necessarily match the patterns of other people, so this may not be actionable advice.

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argumate

“but how will I ever be able to get laid if modern culture frowns upon me getting coworkers drunk and making out with them against their mumbled protestations?? it’s not like my wife is gonna sleep with me lol”

decameter

I have not actually worked out how modern culture proposes people are meant to get laid. 

I mean, people obviously seem to be doing it, but there appears to be no acceptable strategy.

mitigatedchaos

You ignore the recommendations, and prove how manly you are by taking on the risk anyway, getting shut down viciously if you’re too low-status.

The problem is that any permissible channel will be FLOODED due to the mismatch between the demand for sex from women and demand for sex from men, at least at the noisiest age pools.  

Secondly, straight women (generally, on average) do not want to initiate beyond the barest hints, ones that are plausibly deniable if she turns out not to be wanted by that particular guy, leaving her sense of being desirable intact.

What is going to change this is early Transhumanism, as it’s going to alter the sex ratio and potentially result in an increase in bisexuality.

I mean, in practice I used a dating website, which implicitly includes the idea that everyone there for dating is there for dating, and specifies their orientation, so if you don’t have “short/long-term dating” and so on your profile, no fuck for you,

but I don’t necessarily match the patterns of other people, so this may not be actionable advice.

mitigatedchaos

Anyhow, to add on to this, revealing you find someone hot when you’re attempting to extract resources or in a high-stakes …relationship negotiation? …hurts your bargaining position.

At least, you can still get away with pretending that you have to be won over (and showered in all the resources that “winning over”) requires, so long as there are more incoming proposals than outgoing ones, such that the norm is they have to approach you if they find you hot.

As the sex ratio changes, this becomes less and less feasible.

Since I expect a decent-sized chunk of people (3-5%) to “exit” from being male (as we know it) once the technology improves, that throws the bargaining out of whack, as does bisexuality, which means you’re competing with more people for a higher virtual gender ratio… or something.  Naturally, once being a sex is more voluntary, what being that sex means changes as well.

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mitigatedchaos

Anyhow, we’ll set the rest of that discussion aside for now, since I want to clarify how I differ from some of the others.

I don’t believe in the purely mind-pattern definition of self.

I don’t see uploads, if possible, as being identical people to the originals.  You might be able to Ship-of-Theseus something to cross that causal barrier, but then you have to actually Ship-of-Theseus it to get the appropriate causal entangling.

If I get shot, and you re-instance a brain backup into the blank nervous system of some sort of empty clone doll, I don’t wake up - the clone does.

My suspicion has only grown greater on this with the whole quantum stuff.

…not that having a near-identical clone go on without me isn’t at least somewhat comforting as an idea, but then, so is a nice grave compared to naught at all.

cultureulterior

What about sleep?

mitigatedchaos

It’s the same physical hardware, and I think that makes a difference.

its-okae-carly-rae

Does that apply to your hypothetical digital copies as well, do they have to go through elaborate protocols of continuous operation to transfer from one datacentre to another without dying, or is it just the flesh-to-silicon transition that has this problem?

mitigatedchaos

do they have to go through elaborate protocols of continuous operation to transfer from one datacentre to another without dying,

I would think so, but I am less likely to believe that consciousness is purely classical these days.

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kissingerandpals: “ mitigatedchaos: “ kissingerandpals: “What, too good to die forever like every other person on Earth? ” What, you think not-dying is some sort of hubristic demand? “Not wanting to die” is a pretty vanilla position, dude. We even...
kissingerandpals

What, too good to die forever like every other person on Earth?

mitigatedchaos

What, you think not-dying is some sort of hubristic demand?

“Not wanting to die” is a pretty vanilla position, dude.  We even argue over the morality of policy in terms of how people it saves/kills!  It’s pretty common!

Humanity just came up with a bunch of reasons why going feeble and insane was a good idea because they lacked the means to avoid it, not because going feeble and insane and then not-existing is actually a good thing.  

There’s no point in getting yourself hyped up over vaporware.  However, once the technology becomes closer to being within reach, that changes.

kissingerandpals

Death is part of the human condition, a part of reality that every religion, philosophy, and moral system invented by a culture tries to address. Of course it is hubristic to think you can bypass it. To completely bypass death is to change the nature of what it means to be alive.

The nuance between debates around “how can we make life fulfilling?”, “how can we stall death and avoidable illness?”, and “how can we prevent people from dying needlessly in dangerous situations that we are inflicting upon them?” is not the same at all as “how do we live forever?”

Every religion or tribal culture in the world has addressed the hubris about seeking immortality. Every culture has its own failure to achieve immortality myth. How is “wanting immortality is hubristic” a hot take?

Go write a bunch of symphonies if you want to live forever.

mitigatedchaos

So, is heaven hubristic, then?  Reincarnation?  Both are extremely old takes, both are far more commonly accepted than Transhumanism.

Or are the Christians and Buddhists and so on also Transhumanists?  Are they indulging in hubris?

We’ve already redefined things radically, multiple times, to even get to the point where “writing symphonies” is even possible.  

It doesn’t have to be, strictly, forever.  But arbitrarily going feeble and insane, and then involuntarily not existing, it’s not actually this deep, holistic or whatever thing.

And I think it’s incredibly hubristic to say that it’s up to you how much time someone should have with their parents still in their lives, and so on.  Because once the capability for the technology exists, that is a decision that’s being made, not just dodging out of the decision and all responsibility thereof.

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kissingerandpals: “ mitigatedchaos: “ kissingerandpals: “ mitigatedchaos: “ kissingerandpals: “What, too good to die forever like every other person on Earth? ” What, you think not-dying is some sort of hubristic demand? “Not wanting to die” is a...
kissingerandpals

What, too good to die forever like every other person on Earth?

mitigatedchaos

What, you think not-dying is some sort of hubristic demand?

“Not wanting to die” is a pretty vanilla position, dude.  We even argue over the morality of policy in terms of how people it saves/kills!  It’s pretty common!

Humanity just came up with a bunch of reasons why going feeble and insane was a good idea because they lacked the means to avoid it, not because going feeble and insane and then not-existing is actually a good thing.  

There’s no point in getting yourself hyped up over vaporware.  However, once the technology becomes closer to being within reach, that changes.

kissingerandpals

Death is part of the human condition, a part of reality that every religion, philosophy, and moral system invented by a culture tries to address. Of course it is hubristic to think you can bypass it. To completely bypass death is to change the nature of what it means to be alive.

The nuance between debates around “how can we make life fulfilling?”, “how can we stall death and avoidable illness?”, and “how can we prevent people from dying needlessly in dangerous situations that we are inflicting upon them?” is not the same at all as “how do we live forever?”

Every religion or tribal culture in the world has addressed the hubris about seeking immortality. Every culture has its own failure to achieve immortality myth. How is “wanting immortality is hubristic” a hot take?

Go write a bunch of symphonies if you want to live forever.

mitigatedchaos

So, is heaven hubristic, then?  Reincarnation?  Both are extremely old takes, both are far more commonly accepted than Transhumanism.

Or are the Christians and Buddhists and so on also Transhumanists?  Are they indulging in hubris?

We’ve already redefined things radically, multiple times, to even get to the point where “writing symphonies” is even possible.  

It doesn’t have to be, strictly, forever.  But arbitrarily going feeble and insane, and then involuntarily not existing, it’s not actually this deep, holistic or whatever thing.

And I think it’s incredibly hubristic to say that it’s up to you how much time someone should have with their parents still in their lives, and so on.  Because once the capability for the technology exists, that is a decision that’s being made, not just dodging out of the decision and all responsibility thereof.

kissingerandpals

Heaven is just an ideal to regulate behavior make your actions valuable to the people around you, to make the fear of death less unbearable, and to do good on Earth while you are here. Do you really need to be reminded of the Tower of Babel parable? It has *always* been hubristic to believe that one could reach heaven or that heaven could be recreated on Earth.

You know as well as I do that it’s not real. Pretending it is real is part of the ritual. Only biblical literalists and atheists actually believe it is a real place.

You guys are the only one trying to make immortality a reality, not just an ideal.

mitigatedchaos

I’m not so sure they interpret it the same way that you do.

And I’m sorry, but not wanting to die is not hubris.  We’ve just expanded the definition a little farther than you’re comfortable with, because we can see that, for the first time, it’s truly coming into reach, at least for aging.

You know perfectly well that if it were the other way around, introducing aging and death therefrom would be an unthinkably evil curse, not a blessing of connection to temporality.

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brazenautomaton

Feminism is Sexism plus Popularity.

Feminism cannot ever possibly be defeated and it will burn down every single thing that makes living tolerable and salt the earth just for the joy of annihilation.

mitigatedchaos

You honestly think they’re going to stop the cybernetics/tissue industry?

Because what it means to be “a woman,” as a category, is on a countdown timer right now.  

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