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thathopeyetlives

michaelblume asked:

I think the years imply you're talking about SSM, in which case I think this is wrong even from a socon perspective. No fault divorce could be reasonably described as forgetting what marriage is. SSM is a tiny blip by comparison.

thathopeyetlives answered:

I sorta agree with that from a strictly practical public policy standpoint. Trying to fight SSM, and then not getting anything out of it when losing? Terribad idea in hindsight. That probably wasted most of the capital that could have been used to make covenant marriage law much more common or to make family law customizable so that the faithful and the obedient could make the law surrounding their own marriages conform to the law of the Lord. 

I of course didn’t write that ask, and wasn’t thinking primarily about SSM – I now recognize that I don’t actually know what date interracial marriage stopped being so stigmatized. 


But as far as the actual views of what marriage is, or what marriage is for, I don’t see SSM as a “tiny blip” although I do see divorce as being significantly more serious. 

mitigatedchaos

Considering how other societies that aren’t Christian also have marriage - and even monogamy - I suppose I don’t really see it the same way as you do.

It is necessary to create and raise the next generation, marriage creates a system of responsibilities, rights, and obligations designed to make this more practical.  In the 20th century and onward, it’s also a way for organizing our lives around a dedicated partner who won’t leave us, and for marking out our family.

We are born social creatures.  To be alone can be dangerous, in addition to being unhealthy.  

Marriage as it currently exists creates friction of entry/exit, which is important WRT incentives and not leaving when things get a little rough.  It’s vitally important in many other areas of our society as well, such as immigration.

I guess I’m not explaining myself very well.  I’m rather tired.

Basically all the purposes that I as a nationalist and a statist want marriage to serve are also mostly served by gay marriage (or civil unions), but not by polygamy or easily-dissolved LTRs.  (And you may have already read me criticizing polygamy.)  I can make a Nationalist case for monogamous marriage which is defensible from a secular perspective, even in this era.

But then again, once upon a time on this very website, I encountered a poster arguing that even non-Christian rulers unwittingly serve the will of God.

gendpol

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flakmaniak

@mitigatedchaos how about this sci-fi take on gendpol:

“Men are indeed worse than women in various ways, more antisocial, violent etc…

And we have egg-combining technology so we can make a Lesbian Utopia…

HOWEVER, we should still keep the population at approximately 50:50… For the long-term psychological benefits of romantic interaction, given most women are straight.”

mitigatedchaos

You say this, but I already once did a fake nation writeup where they created a single-sex and it turned out terrible - not because they weren’t gay enough, but rather, because they embraced the worst aspects of both masculinity and femininity simultaneously.  (And also, they would have been less bad off if they had just a few teaspoons of Feminism, but that wasn’t going to happen, for Reasons.)

gendpol

Anonymous asked:

I bet you hide your gender because you don't know what it is. Merely being a confused possibly trans person is too normie, I'm guessing there was some kind of mindwipe and on the right stimulus you'll trigger as 2x193ffhg or something, at which point the world is sufficiently Woke to handle such a true form.

Gender, on Tumblr, is a Discourse Attack Surface:

Woman?  “Shut the fuck up, you sexist bitch.”  “Hush, Karen,” and so on.

Man?  Obviously you don’t understand the Lived Experiences of Womyn, you’re an oppressor, you’re coming from a place of privilege, et cetera.

Transwoman?  You can’t be a true woman because you were socialized male, and therefore oppressor, at birth.  (Or various right-wing criticisms.)

Transman?  Why are you trying to become the oppressor gender, you delusional wannabe oppressor?

Nonbinary?  Make up your mind / stop trying to escape your obligations to WOMEN

And so on.

Not providing it makes it more difficult for [discourse rival] to avoid engaging with the content of a post by writing it off as written by [enemy gender].  They still can, but they have to assume the gender to do so, which is a discourse liability.

But on some level, you’re right - it’s probably no accident that all my long-term exes are bisexual women of some kind or another.

gendpol still not revealing my gender transphobia cw mitigated future anons asks

Anonymous asked:

Shut the fuck up you sexist bitch.

Technically, this one arrived before the other one, so I think this is actually my first official anonhate.

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I don’t have any confetti or anything up here, so you’ll just have to make do with this.

That’s not actually a real anon, by the way.  It’s an Official Tumblr™ Plush Anon.  The shipping is fucking ludicrous, though.

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decameter
argumate

“but how will I ever be able to get laid if modern culture frowns upon me getting coworkers drunk and making out with them against their mumbled protestations?? it’s not like my wife is gonna sleep with me lol”

decameter

I have not actually worked out how modern culture proposes people are meant to get laid. 

I mean, people obviously seem to be doing it, but there appears to be no acceptable strategy.

mitigatedchaos

You ignore the recommendations, and prove how manly you are by taking on the risk anyway, getting shut down viciously if you’re too low-status.

The problem is that any permissible channel will be FLOODED due to the mismatch between the demand for sex from women and demand for sex from men, at least at the noisiest age pools.  

Secondly, straight women (generally, on average) do not want to initiate beyond the barest hints, ones that are plausibly deniable if she turns out not to be wanted by that particular guy, leaving her sense of being desirable intact.

What is going to change this is early Transhumanism, as it’s going to alter the sex ratio and potentially result in an increase in bisexuality.

I mean, in practice I used a dating website, which implicitly includes the idea that everyone there for dating is there for dating, and specifies their orientation, so if you don’t have “short/long-term dating” and so on your profile, no fuck for you,

but I don’t necessarily match the patterns of other people, so this may not be actionable advice.

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brazenautomaton
brazenautomaton

Feminism is Sexism plus Popularity.

Feminism cannot ever possibly be defeated and it will burn down every single thing that makes living tolerable and salt the earth just for the joy of annihilation.

mitigatedchaos

You honestly think they’re going to stop the cybernetics/tissue industry?

Because what it means to be “a woman,” as a category, is on a countdown timer right now.  

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kontextmaschine

Mike Cernovich acquired a copy of that “Shitty Men in Media” list (he was offering $10,000) and is using it to run hit pieces

says he’s going to give the accused a chance to reply, I suspect that’s an excuse to sequence them strung out for maximum news impact, in priority as culture war enemies

slatestarscratchpad

What a moron.

These people are going to get away with it, because the accusations will forever be associated with the alt-right. If he’d waited a week or two, someone else would have taken the bait, published, and the media would have eaten it up.

But now the whole issue has been coded “of interest to racists” and everyone else will be careful not to touch it. The people involved will defend with “You’re accusing me of sexual harassment? Aha, I see you’re a fan of Mike Cernovich” and it’ll never go anywhere.

shieldfoss

here you are assuming Cernovich intends to bring abusers to justice in an effort to help women

which

i mean

osberend

Nah, the analysis still applies if he wants to take down Biddle et al. for being sociopolitical enemies. Where it falls apart, of course, is if he really just wants to gather money and love from guess existing base for “boldly standing up to the hypocritical liberal media establishment,” etc. In that case, he’s actually better if the left drops it as a result of his support, because it gives him more “lone voice crying the wilderness” cred.

mitigatedchaos

Beyond just him, does it not empower the hard right in general if this wagon circling happens?

One of the things that’s been really empowering for the hard right (in my opinion) are conditions in Europe, including sex crimes.  Because of just who was committing those crimes, they were able to gain a temporary monopoly on “justice” as a platform for that particular issue.  

Do people realize how bad that is for Liberals?

They’re building a narrative that the Left and the Liberals are thick with pedophiles, molesters, and sex traffickers, and that when they aren’t committing those crimes themselves, the Left and Liberals are willing to overlook them depending on ethnicity.

Circling the wagons isn’t what the Liberals should do.  The way to prevent the hard right from gaining ground in Rotherham was to be better than they were, by actually enforcing the laws, like they are supposed to and, ostensibly, which is in line with their principles.

We’ve seen that at least some of the hard right are willing to fabricate a narrative if they have to, but a non-fabricated narrative has a lot more solidity to it.  

So maybe they circle the wagons, and this outsider can’t actually take these guys down.  But what if the point isn’t to take them down?  What if the point is recruitment?  Long-term recruitment, shifting the margins of power, which, when you only need a majority, matters.

Their faction is relatively small right now, but it has room to grow in proportion to how badly their rivals fuck up and/or are disconnected from reality.

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