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mitigatedchaos reblogged your post: @poipoipoi-2016: So what just happened with Trump?…

Conservatives and others on the right have down-prioritized it because they thought the whole Trump-Russia thing was bullsht.

Which is why the reporting should change their minds, but won’t. It’s difficult to get someone to understand something when their politics depends on them not understanding it.

Probably doesn’t help that Hillary seemed hyped for war in Syria, which could have lead to war with Russia, both of which are pretty terrible.

I have nothing but contempt for this canard. It imagines a fantastical risk of conflict over a small, irrelevant Middle Eastern country, while ignoring the grave risks of nuclear war over treaty allies in Europe, which Trump’s election has substantially heightened.

But even if you did believe that, Clinton’s foreign policy is irrelevant now. Trump’s foreign policy is not.

mitigatedchaos

Well, that is the difficulty with oppositional politics.

I wonder if in multi-party systems, the standard for “better than the other guys” is higher.  Probably not.

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I’m an anarchosocialist, not a neolib. Don’t “*I* will be forced to fight them” me, like you’re some kind of hero. Their ideology is already out of date for being morally wrong, saying genetic technology is what will end them implies that the genetic “problems” they present actually need solutions. Violence against fascists is the only option against fascists. They cannot be debated since their ideology is grounded in hatred not logic, they cannot be appeased as they will always ask for more, they have to brutally crushed/scared into disbanding. 
And while fascism is rising in America, antifascism is rising much faster, and hopefully they will come to an inevitable conflict in which fascism is finally wiped from the earth. 

  1. The strategy of street fighting the Fascists in Germany failed so badly that Hitler came to power and nearly took over Europe.  If he had been a bit more competent he might have succeeded and the Third Reich could still exist today.  This strategy has already been tried, and it already failed.
  2. Antifa have pepper-sprayed bitcoin enthusiasts, destroyed immigrants’ cars, harassed business students, and so on.  If the violence were limited to just actual fascists/WNs it would probably be possible to get away with it.  It isn’t.  Instead it’s playing right into the hands of groups who say that “no white is safe”.  By all appearances, Antifa like punching and the feel of righteous indignation more than they value actually bothering to check who is and is not an actual Nazi before punching them.  This makes people who are not Nazis suddenly very concerned about the safety of Nazis.
  3. If someone is converted to Fascism, there is no reason to think they cannot be deconverted from Fascism.  There have already been very successful attempts to deconvert Klansmen, who you would very likely claim are also motivated entirely by hatred and must be destroyed by force.  Deconversion is morally preferable to extermination and also results in ideological evaporative cooling, leaving only the craziest members who will seem less credible.
  4. Deconverting them requires the ability to make credible claims that there is not a plan afoot to demographically replace them.  You, and the Democratic Party, cannot effectively make this claim.  You probably think that the rise of Trump is a scathing indictment of American racism, and not the result of a direct correlation between premature death rates for middle-aged whites and % Trump votes on a county-by-county basis.  There are a number of large holes for rival ideologies to exploit which could have been prevented entirely by buying off the white working class (and so on), but the Left was not politically willing to pay the cost of closing them.  The mainstream Republican establishment wasn’t willing to pay them either, which is why they got knocked over like a bunch of bowling pins by a populist with little political experience.
    1. Not to mention that a lot of the pro-diversity ideology is contradictory or implicitly accepts some of their frame, as I have specified.  People can notice the hypocrisy.  It went under the radar when there was less stress in the system, and in fact I quietly supported keeping it under the radar in order to keep the amount of racism low (this is after all a multiracial country), but all of these terrorist attacks in the West have blown the lid off.  New ideological tools must be developed to repair the situation.
    2. Speaking of ideological tools, some old ones must be revived.  The cultural mosaic model creates ethnic tensions.  It’s time to explicitly bring back Melting Pot.  Not bringing it back just gives people reason to wage culture war for the supremacy of their own culture.
  5. With advances in genetic technology, white nationalism becomes largely obsolete not just on the premises of its opponents, but on its own premises.  Most ideologues these days are not effectively dealing with the looming spectre of Transhumanism that is due to arrive within decades.  Nervous-system-controlled robotic limbs, vat-grown organs, and genetic selection technology are already here, they just aren’t up to par yet.  Most ideologies will have to be changed significantly to accommodate.  The reason I brought this up is because, while it’s a weakness for the mainstream, it’s a much more glaring weakness for WNs that is not being adequately exploited.
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If you would go out of your way to argue how easy it is for capital to automate away jobs when labor costs become too high, then you should probably know that you’re giving all kinds of credibility to those of us who advocate fully-automated luxury communism. I mean, think about it: you’re arguing that so much of human labor ISN’T NECESSARY because said jobs can be done by machines, and yet you STILL want the bulk of humanity to pointlessly scrape by laboring for the capitalist class, receiving meager wages to buy the shit they helped generate in the first place. The above billboard is a THREAT. Let’s not mince words – that billboard is bourgeois propaganda designed to turn the working class against each other and against the broader goals of resource democratization. “If you fight for a basic livable wage, just know that you’re easily replaceable, peon!”

This is what leftists mean when they say that capitalism is an economic system filled to the brim with tensions and contradictions; it’s also what they mean when they say that capitalism inevitably produces its own gravediggers. Automation is one of those gravediggers, and it’s a major one at that. As more and more jobs become automated in the coming decades, the working class will face widespread dispossession, ramping up revolutionary class consciousness in the process. At that point, capitalism will either focus on generating more superfluous jobs for people to work or set about instituting a universal basic income – regardless, the point is to keep enough scraps flowing downward so that people don’t call for a broader system change. In this way, capitalism’s ruling class can maintain control over the wealth-producing means of production and imperialist capital accumulation can continue unrestrained.

For these reasons, “more jobs” and universal basic incomes are not enough. We need to democratize the broader social infrastructure and eliminate the profit system. If you recognize how possible it is to automate away human labor, then you should defenestrate yourself out of the Overton Window and use some political imagination – cut out the unnecessary jobs, automate all the labor you can, produce for human need rather than elite profit, and you end up with drastically reduced working hours and bountiful leisure time. This is the essence of fully-automated luxury communism – the natural conclusion of the conditions that capitalism set in motion.

Be wary of automation in the present climate, but always trace it back to the class struggle. Robots taking our jobs SHOULD be cause for celebration; why should we treat these potential liberators as harbingers of dispossession? Technological advancements are pushing us exponentially towards a de facto post-scarcity world, where everyone’s needs can be comfortably met alongside their desires for community and leisure and entertainment, and yet we’re held back by Empire’s insistence on keeping the means of production hoarded under the command of a superfluous ruling class. As long as we are divided into capitalists and workers, humanity will never know full liberation.

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TL;DR: automating jobs will eventually get rid of working for profit, cut down the class system, and give everybody time to focus on whatever they want to do.

mysticalmoonstone

Exactly, with automation will actually come more jobs and better paying jobs to manage those technologist. Technology always statistically creates more jobs than it destroys.

leftist-daily-reminders

Okay but that’s also what we want to avoid. It’s not about resigning ourselves to HAVING to work a job just so we can access resources – it should be about determining what jobs are actually necessary for meeting people’s needs and for the maintenance of society, what jobs can be automated away, and how to properly transition towards a system that produces for need rather than for profit (and hopefully eventually reaching a point of abundant post-scarcity that money itself could be feasibly abolished from there), all accomplished by democratic control of the means of production and the infrastructure. I’m sick of this liberal discourse that keeps shifting all these radical developments in technology back towards the status quo, where the wealth-producing machines are still controlled by elites and where we have to just keep inventing new jobs for people to work so they can access resources. If feudalism couldn’t cope with the advancements in technology that eventually made feudal relations obsolete, then capitalism won’t be able to cope with the coming advancements in technology as well, try as it might – scarcity will have to be enforced (more so than it is now), more pointless jobs will be created, and politicians will opt for redistributive universal basic incomes in an attempt to stabilize the whole thing. We need to seize the opportunity to put the exponentially-increasing reach of technology to work for the benefit of humanity, not just for human benefit when it’s convenient to capitalists.

saltymantears

So this post reminded me of something from my childhood, and I couldn’t place what, until I remembered this joke from the Jetsons:

Now in the show this is obviously a statement about how easy Mr Jetson has it in the future’s workforce, but it more effectively highlights the absurdity of a capitalist system once technology has become able to automate entry-level labor: no one NEEDS Mr Jetson to do anything, but because his value in society is entirely based on income and thus employment, they need to FABRICATE a role for him to fill. In reality the only human necessary to keep the plant running is (maybe) Mr. Spacely, but goodness knows we can’t let EVERYONE enjoy an upper-middle class income in management, so they give him a bunch of useless peons to boss around all day.

The capitalist system the Jetsons live in finds THIS absurd future preferable to a system where everyone’s basic needs are met using the massive surplus generated by a fully automated workforce. The people who paid for the billboard in the original post above are even LESS sympathetic, as they’d apparently blame US for “making” them fire 90% of their employees in order to remain competitive. What a grand system, this capitalism.

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mitigatedchaos

“Tensions within Capitalism” is mostly overly-academic hogwash, the same way one might talk about “tensions in the human body” or indeed any successful animal. On the other hand, the threat from automation is quite real, and it’s different this time. The “Luddite Fallacy” label is itself fallacious. Better to cut a check based on %GDP and ride it into space, or pursue some similar program. I also don’t trust anyone who hasn’t said the words “prediction market” entirely unironically to have a solid plan for what comes after The Revolution, violent revolution or peaceful.

bambamramfan

“Tensions within capitalism” refer to things like the unemployed person who is denied any job to do, but also told she is lazy and a leech for not having steady work. It’s a contradiction our entire society believes, but the weight of the contradiction lies on one person.

Eventually it snaps. Possibly by these unemployed people voting for unethical leaders spouting nonsense, just for any hope of making sense of their senseless situation.

“What to do after the revolution” is a very important question, but pondering how to answer it does not change the fact that the resolution of snapping tensions is coming towards you at a pretty fast clip. Even I thought Trump wouldn’t get elected till 2020. The people may pick someone else’s revolution while you’re waiting to perfect your own.

The human body also contains tensions. After enough years it dies.

mitigatedchaos

Had the world waited to perfect their revolutions a bit longer, several dozen million people who died might have lived.  Overthrowing a government is far easier than developing a fully workable alternative for real (not just hoping a half-finished untested alternative works out) and far more exciting than actually testing things before implementing them on a wide scale.  It’s more dangerous, of course, but that’s a different matter.

Given how straight-up murderous revolutions have tended to be in the past, it is right to distrust revolutionaries.

Doing something like cutting a % of the GDP and handing it out is less likely to crash the economy or kill millions of people.

bambamramfan

No argument about the disasters of bad revolutions, but my point is that shit is coming anyway. Did you not see the latest US election?

mitigatedchaos

A change is needed, but it shouldn’t be something irreversible that might crash the economy, and with that, extinguish the desperately-needed fires of technological progress.  There appears to be this idea, now, that with robots, the economy has become less fragile, and radical experimentation on the entire country with systems that either haven’t been adequately tested or have failed catastrophically in the past is called for.  

The economy is just not that robust.  

Direct wage subsidies and basic income/basic share are both types of programs that can be implemented gradually, don’t require armed military action, don’t threaten to derail the whole economy by seizing the means of production, don’t introduce terrible incentive structures that tend to result in violent purges, and can be rolled back if they turn out not to work as well as expected.

Direct wage subsidies can even be sold to conservative types, with the right language, then transition to basic share later.

A revolution, if it could even gather enough mass to start (and not result in a terrible civil war that divides the country into new ones) will do nothing except kill a lot of people and trash the economy, with little to no net improvement in government.

Basic income is picking up steam.  Wage subsidies haven’t quite yet, but they might as the so-called “right-wing alternative”.  Millenials in the US have lower hostile reaction to “Socialism” (in part because Republicans called every single government program they don’t like “Socialism”).  Once the truck drivers start getting laid off en masse, the political will for these programs will emerge.

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abellionhearts

This is a drawing I finished today [July 20, 2017] to represent the kind of president we could have (if he was a sane individual, of course) but we just don’t for various reasons. If you are a Trump supporter you aren’t allowed to interact with this post. […]

Have we reached Maximum Trump?

I dare to say that no, we have not!

Total saturation of the airwaves has not been achieved.  Somewhere out there, there continue to be TV broadcasts which contain NO MENTION of Donald J. Trump, the first Meme-American President of the United States of America.

This will not do.

The amount of Trump must be increased.

Projections under the previous Trump First Initiative showed that merely amplifying the existing Trump will not do due to local radio spectrum saturation, supported by a number of field tests.  It was for this reason that the Trump First Initiative was scrapped.

My colleagues in the Mecha-Bannonite program were pessimistic and skeptical after the cancellation of Trump First.  They said no increase in the memetic saturation of Trump was possible.

But I have proved them wrong!

I have developed new mathematical models which prove that further meme propagation is possible, with only a slight alteration of the meme waveform band.

Based on heuristical data gathered from pools of eligible voters, I have used a neural network to model the meme space of possible Trumpforms in order to achieve greater propagation, and thus memetic saturation.

All that is required to more than quintuple current saturation of the memespace is the creation of seven additional trumpforms, similar to the ones constructed by computer render above.

Then, finally, all mention of politicians other than Trump can be completely erased from broadcast journalism, allowing our organization to progress towards Phase 2 of Operation Meteor 2020.

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I know he’s the president

ileneindumbo

but he lies. He never tells the truth. So, why do newspapers put everything he says in the headlines?  It’s not true.  We know it’s not true and even if some thing true was accidentally said, how would we know? 

The boy who cried wolf (in Russian). 

veraxplus

Why are liberals like this?

mutant-aesthetic

OP kind of has a point though. Trump plays the media like puppets, and they just go along with it like absolute saps.

mitigatedchaos

They don’t care about the country, so all that’s left is ratings. And boy golly gee does Mr. Trump-san bring in the ratings.

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Looking to 2020, there’s only one way Trump can surely win from here and that’s a Zuckerberg/Chelsea Clinton runoff for the Democratic nomination.

The good news is I’m 60% sure something close to this will happen because there’s only one party as bad at playing its hand as the GOP and that’s the Democrats.

mitigatedchaos

I mean, give it some time and we’ll see.  I’m still forecasting a 50% chance of reelection.

But yeah, the Democrats are almost that dumb.

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it’s just two-dimensional chess, played for position

mitigatedchaos

This makes sense if you assume the goal was to establish the credibility of future military threats, which is reasonable 2D international relations chess.  Previous Trump strategies (gambits?) have involved relatively extreme opening offers followed by negotiating down to something more in line with the original plan.

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We won’t know if the Trump Presidency was properly bad until later.  The Left/Libs cannot be trusted to be honest in their criticisms, or consistent.  They’ll attack using whatever they can - they even btched about him eating steak “wrong”.  

If you get swamped with maximal criticism no matter what, you might as well just ignore the criticism and go with your own conscience.  

It isn’t that I think he’s great.  It’s that you can’t trust people who were completely blindsided, and who are ideologically pre-committed to opposition, to accurately evaluate the situation.  You wouldn’t trust most right-wing pundits on Obama, after all.

Trump bowled over the mainstream Republicans because he had three core issues - less trade, less (stupid) war, less immigration.  He will be judged by whether he meets those goals, not left-wing goals about maximizing undefinable “diversity”.

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Statement from Pentagon Spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis on U.S. strike in Syria
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Russian forces were notified in advance of the strike using the established deconfliction line.  U.S. military planners took precautions to minimize risk to Russian or Syrian personnel located at the airfield.

We are assessing the results of the strike.  Initial indications are that this strike has severely damaged or destroyed Syrian aircraft and support infrastructure and equipment at Shayrat Airfield, reducing the Syrian Government’s ability to deliver chemical weapons.  The use of chemical weapons against innocent people will not be tolerated.

mitigatedchaos

Hmn…

In her first interview since her stunning presidential election defeat by Republican rival Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton on Thursday called for the United States to bomb Syrian air fields.

…

Asked whether she now believes that failing to take a tougher stand against Syria was her worst foreign policy mistake as secretary of state under President Barack Obama, Clinton said she favored more aggressive action against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

“I think we should have been more willing to confront Assad,” Clinton said in the interview, conducted by New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof.

“I really believe we should have and still should take out his air fields and prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people and drop sarin gas on them.”

Clinton noted that she had advocated for a no-fly zone in Syria after leaving government, something that Obama opposed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-hillary-clinton-idUSKBN179058

So, which timeline doesn’t result in this attack?  And did we perhaps luck out on this one, in that Trump merely picked vehicles located at only one facility to strike?

Although based on Russian reactions my temporary spike in estimated risk of nuclear war has subsided.

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