trickytalks
asked:
What are beliefs common among "hardcore civic nationalists"?
collapsedsquid
answered:

They’re skeptical of globalization in general just like the other anti-establishment groups, and tend towards anti-interventionism. They’re generally in favor of public infrastructure and public projects, but have mixed thoughts on welfare.  Assimilation and the act of building the national culture are a big deal, that affects their views on immigration which can be flexible depending on their view of circumstances.  Seem to shun ethnic nationalism, I get the impression that some of them on the rightward edge do buy into some form of bell curve stuff but they’ve decided it’s basically not terribly important, if somebody isn’t highly intelligent there’s a lot of work to be done that doesn’t require high intelligence to do. Neither especially pro or anti-market, I think they tend towards “not too afraid of public spending or taxation but somewhat anti-regulation.“

And you can sort of see that as a third way, it’s the recognition that you depend on the people and environment around you and therefore you can’t really get away from this concept of the common good and improving society, but skeptical of taking it too far.  “selfish collectivism“ might be a somewhat trollish way of putting it.  Class-wise I think the people I’ve seen with it are educated professionals, I think this sort of inherits from “Rockefeller Republicans“

@mitigatedchaos, you are sort of close to this but you’re not a central example. This is pretty much random disconnected things I’ve found off tumblr, there isn’t really a big repository or central hub of this that I can think of.  I mean, I’m not even honestly sure this is a real ideology or something I’m putting together in my head from people I think speak similarly but who don’t actually agree with each other.

mitigatedchaos

It might be more of a thing if the US had more parties.

I know I’m trying to synthesize a lot of stuff while not ignoring the tyranny of the rocket equation of the economy, so to speak.

Some evil biostuff is probably true on some level, but we haven’t yet tried having social policy that doesn’t suck and tbh we haven’t even tried bulk distribution of multivitamins/etc.

Though some of this on my part is trying to put ideas into liberals about how to actually achieve their Happy Liberal Land without fking it up, seeing as there are a lot more of them than people out searching for harder civic nationalism or national technocracy.