http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/28/denver-area-arrest-neo-nazi-stabbing/
False flagging is for everyone! Being an idiot who, apparently, cuts himself with a knife he just bought, then makes up a completely disprovable story and wasting police time is this guy’s special thing though.
Yeah, I figured it was a good idea to hedge that previous post. I support prosecution in this case.
Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision. It was different than what I’d talked talked with our senior team about yesterday. I woke up this morning in a bad mood and decided to kick them off the Internet. I called our legal team and told them what we were going to do. I called our Trust & Safety team and had them stop the service. It was a decision I could make because I’m the CEO of a major Internet infrastructure company.
Having made that decision we now need to talk about why it is so dangerous. I’ll be posting something on our blog later today. Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Internet. No one should have that power.
fascinating
Wow this is a breath of fresh air
This guy has managed to combine “we need to think ASAP about the kind of precedent we’re setting with decisions like this” and “but for the moment, let’s fuck over Nazis,” two sentiments that are seem like no-brainers but which you somehow don’t expect anyone with Newsworthy Opinions to be able to hold in their mind simultaneously without exploding
“The Daily Stormer site was bragging on their bulletin boards about how Cloudflare was one of them and that is the opposite of everything we believe. That was the tipping point for me.”
That actually seems like a reasonable boundary there. Claiming endorsement is not quite the same thing as just being hosted.
rocketverliden asked:
Nah, actually I was thinking that there are lots of other southerners we could choose from for replacement statues, specifically ones that weren’t all “rah rah slavery” and so on. Some of them could be a lot more modern, others from before the war, and so on. U.S. founding fathers from those states would be the ideal option for many of them - it reaffirms membership in the US, still has lots of historical weight, and so on.
They shouldn’t be more black than the proportional share of the population, though.
The goal here is to provide an alternative, positive regional identity for the white southerners that is not rooted in the racism inherent to the Confederacy. (And the racism was inherent - at least one governor or whatever went on about how yeah, this was about slavery, and yeah, this was about “the inferiority of the negro race” and so on.)
History is big. There is a lot that can be chosen from when we decide what to emphasize. There are many people, with many stories. With this, we could step sideways.
(The exception is generic confederate soldier statues, which should stay. After all, the side that wins the war usually thinks it’s the ethical side, since most factions fighting a war think they’re the ethical side, so removing them just means legitimizing the idea of removing monuments to soldiers of losing sides in general.)
However, I don’t think the capital-L Left, in broad strokes, wants the southern whites to have a positive southern identity. I think it wants to crush them in order to celebrate itself and its righteousness.
It doesn’t like the founding fathers, either. It doesn’t like the United States of America.
It could celebrate the power of the very ideals this nation’s founders espoused as the source of some of the very power that overturned the cruelty they allowed at this nation’s founding. But most of those people were white men, so they won’t.
For the record, I’m fine with cutting off a chunk of land for the Black Nationalists, too. I expect it to go about as well as the White Nationalist land, but again, so long as no one goes there involuntarily, it isn’t my problem.
What neither side of US politics wants to admit: the promotion of identity politics combined with the declining white super majority has led to turbo charged white identity politics. Since Dems catered for non-white identity politics, Trump and the GOP took hold of white identity politics.
Most countries that do not have a 70%+ super majority ethnic group have ethnicized
electoral politics.
Yes, my fear is that Lee Kuan Yew is right.
if you post someone’s address, job, full name, personal details, anything that’s doxing, there are only two things that you want people to do to them:
1) really mess with them to an insane extent, like ordering gay porn, perfume samples, religious books and hundreds of pizzas sent to their house and try to ruin their personal lives/get them fire
2) kill them
so don’t fucking do it
don’t dox people
i want Nazi’s to get fired or worse
i get this but there has already been one instances from last week were people got the wrong person and it could fuck up his whole life for something they didn’t do
two instances, actually.
they got one of the wrong guys twice.
do you get that?
two people that are categorically NOT nazis got accused of being nazis by some half cocked dipshit on social media.
also fucking with nazis or trying to get them fired is categorically A Bad Idea.
I keep seeing this sentiment in the notes but don’t fucking do it
don’t feed into their victim narrative.
that’ll just push them further into extremism.
like, do you really think someone racist is gonna change their fuckin mind if they get fired because 5000 “undesirables” according to nazi doctrine get them fired?
do you think they’re suddenly magically gonna get a good attitude towards minorities that nazis have historically persecuted?
getting someone fired from a fucking hotdog job where they’re clearly miserable, probably not making much money in the first place ain’t gonna help.
not bein able to pay their bills will not teach them some sort of lesson, or the kind of lesson that would lead to them not being a fuckhead.
it’ll teach them
“these subhumans want you starving, want you to be unable to feed your families and want you dead”
WELL DONE
YOU JUST RADICALIZED A DUMBFUCK EVEN FURTHER
HE’S GOING TO GO DEEPER INTO EXTREMISM THANKS TO YOU, IDIOT
DON’T DOX PEOPLE
This is a major problem we as a society have with deradicalization. Like, you can’t exile someone from society and expect them to reform, it just further radicalizes them. People are social animals and need a network of healthy relationships so as to deradicalize. If you cut people off from the opportunity to build those relationships, you’re ensuring that the problem will never ever get fixed
An excellent treatise on why prison doesn’t work. The nazis already are nazis with a network of relationships, likely with other nazis if they were in a gathering with other nazis. Are you suggesting the targets of nazis shoukld sit down and talk with people who literally want them dead. or else to literally do nothing?
Well I mean it worked for me, so yeah, pretty much.
congratulations on not being a nazi anymore, not everyone is so quick to give it up.
Yeah, and your methods are only making the problem worse, so I’d appreciate it if you got out of the way.
You don’t know my methods, or do you think dead nazis are more of a problem than alive ones?
You are absolutely right, friend. The government must act to stop this epidemic of ideologically extreme vehicular homicide through every means possible. Driving into crowds is never forgivable.
Therefore every Jihadi and Jihadi sympathizer must be executed. No safe spaces for Jihadis. Their sick and twisted ideology offers no deconversion. The only good Jihadi is a dead Jihadi.
Liberals might protest that Jihadis don’t cause much violence, statistically, but the only voice Jihadis will listen to is violence.
CHICAGO (CBS) — A Chicago pastor has asked the Emanuel administration to remove the names of two presidents who owned slaves from parks on the South Side, saying the city should not honor slave owners in black communities.
A bronze statue of George Washington on horseback stands at the corner of 51st and King Drive, at the northwest entrance to Washington Park.
Bishop James Dukes, pastor of Liberation Christian Center, said he wants the statue gone, and he wants George Washington’s name removed from the park.
“When I see that, I see a person who fought for the
liberties, and I see people that fought for the justice and freedom of
white America, because at that moment, we were still chattel slavery,
and was three-fifths of humans,” he said. “Some people out here ask me,
say ‘Well, you know, he taught his slaves to read.’ That’s almost sad;
the equivalent of someone who kidnaps you, that you gave them something
to eat.”
Dukes said, even though Washington was the nation’s first president and led the American army in the Revolutionary War, he’s no hero to the black community.
“There’s no way plausible that we would even think that they would erect a Malcolm X statue in Mount Greenwood, Lincoln Park, or any of that. Not that say Malcolm X was a bad guy; they just would not go for it,” he said. “Native Americans would not even think about putting up a Custer statue, because of the atrocities that he plagued upon Native Americans. And for them to say to us ‘just accept it’ is actually insulting.”
The pastor also said President Andrew Jackson’s name should be removed from nearby Jackson Park, because he also was a slave owner. He said he’s not necessarily asking the city rename the parks altogether. He suggested Washington Park could be named after former Mayor Harold Washington, and Jackson Park could be named after civil rights leader Rev. Jesse Jackson or singer Michael Jackson.
Dukes said he’s not trying to erase history. He said black people should be able to decide who is and is not honored in their communities.
“I think we should be able to identify and decide who we declare heroes in or communities, because we have to tell the stories to our children of who these persons are,” he said.
He said parks, statues, or other monuments honoring Presidents Washington and Jackson might be appropriate elsewhere, but not in black neighborhoods.
“In an African-American community, it’s a slap in the face and it’s a disgrace for them to honor someone who was a slave owner.
Dukes said he has sent letters to Mayor Rahm Emanuel and the Chicago Park District asking them to change the names of Washington and Jackson parks. He shared the letter on Facebook.
“I am feeling ambivalent that I would have to walk my child, attend a parade or enjoy a game of softball in a park that commemorates the memory of a slave owner,” he wrote. “Therefore, I call on the immediate removal of President George Washington and President Andrew Jackson names from the parks located on the southeast side of Chicago. They should not have the distinct honor of being held as heroes when they actively participated in the slave trade.”
Representatives for the mayor did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
A Chicago Park District spokeswoman pointed to the city’s formal process for renaming parks, which allows anyone to submit a request to the superintendent. The Park District board may vote on any such request after a 45-day public comment period.
For the record, I’m fine with cutting off a chunk of land for the Black Nationalists, too. I expect it to go about as well as the White Nationalist land, but again, so long as no one goes there involuntarily, it isn’t my problem.
I notice this one isn’t tagged “satire”, which seems to mean you actually think segregation is a valid solution. Never death though, that’s barbaric.
Keeping people that hate each others’ guts physically apart from each other is in fact superior to killing them, since they might eventually chill out but killing is permanent. Additionally, if it turns out someone has been separated that should not have been, they can be moved again later, whereas no one can be unexecuted. It isn’t that I think killing is never justified, but you lot huffing a hero fantasy about “killing Nazis” are too eager to kill and too detached to actually notice when you’re attacking dudes who are not Nazis.
It’s already well-known that at least one dude who was never at and was in no way attached to the march or white nationalists got doxxed as a “Nazi”.
I encourage being ABSOLUTELY certain before killing. I admire the “choose the reversible option first” philosophy, but segregation is not right. I’d think you’d have learned that from history.
What exactly do you think prisons are, if not segregating people who have a proven track record of violent or damaging behavior from the rest of the population?
Are you a prison abolitionist by means of death penalty?
And why can’t people live in different places with different rules? I actually support the creation of more city-states as a means of political preference satisfaction in general.
Also, let’s be honest here, Antifa sucks at figuring out who is and is not a Nazi and will indeed claim they are “absolutely certain” in the middle of killing people who are not and have never been Nazis.
At some point, you have to ask, is what you want to prevent people dying, or is what you want to punish those with what you deem to be evil beliefs? Because “put all the Nazis on their own little island” accomplishes the former, but not the latter.
Prisons are bad, but replacing them wholesale with the death penalty is only worse, way too many people arrested unjustly or for stupid things that shouldn’t be illegal.
Yes, antifa is generally bad at identifying actual opponents. You’ll notice I don’t tend to blanket state I support them, for that reason mainly.
I don’t know where you intend to set aside for all the different racists though. The places they want are already taken.
I don’t need to move all the racists, just the most racist of the racists. The most racist of the racists are among the most dangerous.
There are still a number of very lightly-developed areas in the world. They had to truck people in from all over the country just to make that rally. There isn’t going to be something where we need enough land for 100 million people. I don’t think Whitopia would get even one million people.
Singapore is about 720km2 in size. America is something like 9 million km2 in size. So Whitopia and Blaktopia each get about one one thousandth of a percent of the land, each with a 10km corridor for sea access. Doesn’t need to be great sea access either, just enough for a seaport.
(Also a wall would be built around each so that access could be controlled to prevent weird cross-border crime stuff.)
What is self-awareness?
Kinda funny how the reactions to white people concerned about demographic decline has changed from “it’s not real” last year to “it’s not real and by the way you will all die out and that’s a good thing”
The real irony: Race is not going to be destroyed by virtuous queer PoCs bravely fighting against the dark tides of white supremacy.
It’s going to be destroyed by genetic and tissue engineering technology, produced by a mostly (but not entirely!) white and Asian tech industry, fueled by markets in China and Korea, which is going to blow the lid off a number of things people very much want to keep the lid on, wiping out what we currently know as white nationalism along with it.
The entire idea of intergenerational ethnic justice will be undermined.
“Kent, a former neo-Nazi, credits an African-American parole officer named Tiffany Whittier with helping him to see beyond skin color and changing his views about white supremacy.
“If it wasn’t for her I would have seeped back into it,” said Kent. “I look at her as family.”
Whittier, 45, even inspired Kent, 38, to take down the Nazi flags he had hanging in his living room and replace them with smiley faces.
Added Kent, “When you wake up and see a smiley face, you’re going to go to work and you’re going to smile.”
Kent now works full-time on a chicken farm in Colorado, where all his co-workers are Hispanic.
“Before all this, I wouldn’t work for anybody or with anybody that wasn’t white,” said Kent. “[Now] we have company parties, or they have quinceañeras, I’m the only white guy there!”
Redemption Ink, a national non-profit that offers free removals of hate-related tattoos, helped connect Kent with Fallen Heroes Tattoo in Colorado to begin the 15-hour process of covering his swastikas. The sterile environment is new to Kent who had his previous ink work done in prison.
“I’ve never, never, never been inside of a tattoo shop getting a professional tattoo,” he said.
Kent believes the painful process will help him move forward after spending years as a member of a violent skinhead group based in Arizona. As a father of two young children, Kent also hopes his children will see the world differently.
“I don’t want my kids to live the life I lived and live with hate,” said Kent. “I want my kids to know me for who I am now—a good father, a hard worker, and a good provider.””
@ the punch a Nazi crowd
Huh… almost like just being there for someone and talking to them can change their minds
Oh now that’s just crazy talk.
I bet if she just punched him that would have worked sooner
Noice
awesome for him, that he got deradicalized.
but the people above me are goddamn idiots. one doesn’t kill (replacing punch with this since it’s good to clarify goals) a nazi for the nazis sake. it’s for their victims sake.
hell, revoking naziism may not even save this man’s life. if he ever did any harm in the name of supremacy, then his death would be righteous.
but all of this has no impact on the fact that it’s great that this guy is no longer a nazi.
even if he gets the death he may very well deserve, at least he didn’t hurt any more people, and at least he got to live not as a nazi for however long
This lady broke him of his shittiness for the victim’s sake too. This guy not only won’t hurt anyone for the sake of his beliefs, but he is actively doing good, and seemingly doing greater good by the community in which he found himself. Or are you thinking that going to prison and reforming isn’t enough of a punishment for crimes committed?
I wouldn’t even take this attitude with a fucking communist, and they’d happily murder both you and I given the chance if history is any indicator. People changing objectively for the better is always something worth celebrating.
i have no idea whether imprisonment was punishment enough, because the article does not specify what he was imprisoned for, how long, where, or what sort of things he may have done in prison as an active nazi.
prison didn’t reform him. the article was quite clear on that. his connection to outside humanity reformed him.
i’m not concerned with “greater good”, which is a bs term anyways. i’m concerned with what’s just, and the fact that there might very well be justice in this man’s death before reformation is an indicator that it absolutely wouldn’t be wrong to “punch” him then.
> thinks “greater good” is a BS term
> doesn’t think “justice” is a BS term
Look, I get that “greater good” has been used to justify atrocities… but what exactly do you think is used to justify inter-generational ethnic revenge killings, the kind that spiral out of control and start ethnic civil wars?
“Justice.”
You’re so eager to punch or kill, even though “any harm” could mean as little as graffiti.
Liberals may not understand how Liberalism works, but it does have mechanisms through which it does work. You have to think about the mechanics of the incentives.
When you let people marry their cousins, and those people are from extremely patriarchal families from extremely patriarchal cultures, those families can use the cousin marriage as means through which to control and isolate women and reinforce patriarchal cultural transmission, even when a cousin marriage between two others would not impose this effect.
There are mechanics to the incentives. For the liberalism to work, people can’t be so deeply controlled by their families. They have to open to atomization and cultural transmission.
When you want to kill someone regardless of the actual level of threat they pose or have posed, it undermines the incentives to quit.
For the Liberalism to work, “exit” has to be a viable strategy.
You might say “but it undermines the incentives to join!”, but the “lol punchanazi” crowd don’t understand the incentives to join and are ideologically prohibited from understanding or addressing them, so that doesn’t float.
Do you care about healing society? Or, like the man who launched van attacks on Muslims in the UK in response to multiple van attacks by Muslims in the same, even though they weren’t the same individuals, are you out for revenge?
And don’t give me “NAZIS ARE ON THE VERGE OF TAKING OVER AMERICAN SOCIETY!” thing. They aren’t, and those who think they are, are high on their own propaganda supply. Charlottesville required busing them from across the whole country.
Anyhow, if people thought that the “lol punchanazi” crowd would stop at actual, literal Nazis, they probably would just let it go, silently. But almost everyone knows they won’t.
So now we all have to be concerned about the safety of Nazis, because the “lol punachanazis” are terrible at things like “check that the man you’re punching is actually a Nazi first.” (”But why would a non-Nazi be afraid of being mistaken for a Nazi?” - because wearing a hat that said “Make Bitcoin Great Again” was enough to get maced.) Charlottesville may have resulted in a kill for them, but there was a masked man hitting people with a bike lock in Berkeley. It’s only through chance that “Antifa” (in the public perception) didn’t get “first blood.”
As such, each incident is going to drive justification for right-wing behavior.
“But what about the bad things right-wingers do?” - why the fuck do you think they’ve been losing the culture war (not fiscal policy) so badly? Would the nation be less right-wing if the Vietnam War hadn’t eroded confidence in national wars? There’s a sharp divide in Millennial support for Democrats based on age, which just so happens to coincide with the Bush Administration. They may have lost an entire generation over that dumbass Iraq war. Yes, the Iraqis got it worse, but bad right-wing actions have been part of the reason for society’s shift leftward, socially, for centuries, now.
SAN FRANCISCO—In an effort to reduce the number of unprovoked hostile communications on the social media platform, Twitter announced Monday that it had added a red X-mark feature verifying users who are in fact perfectly okay to harass. “This new verification system offers users a simple, efficient way to determine which accounts belong to total pieces of shit whom you should have no qualms about tormenting to your heart’s desire,” said spokesperson Elizabeth James, adding that the small red symbol signifies that Twitter has officially confirmed the identity of a loathsome person who deserves the worst abuse imaginable and who will deliberately have their Mute, Block, and Report options disabled. “When a user sees this symbol, they know they’re dealing with a real asshole who has richly earned whatever mistreatment they receive, including profanity, body-shaming, leaking of personal information, and relentless goading to commit suicide. It’s really just a helpful way of saying to our users, ‘This fuck has it coming, so do your worst with a clear conscience and without fear of having your account suspended.’” At press time, Twitter reassuredly clarified that the red X was just a suggestion and that all users could still be bullied with as little recourse as they are now.
