bambamramfan

Your enemies are not greedy, they are afraid.

They are dumb, but afraid.

isaacsapphire

Under SJW/idpol/Intersectionality, fear is morally wrong though, unless accompanied by Wokeness, best as I can tell.

apprenticebard

I don’t think that’s true? It depends on whether people think that the specific fear is justified. A woman who is afraid of being raped is usually not going to be mocked for it from SJ circles, even if she is decidedly unwoke, unless maybe she’s afraid in such a way that it reads as something specifically racist rather than a fear of men in general. But if it’s a fear of an oppressor-class, that usually results in nothing but sympathy (from inside SJ circles).

…anyway, yes, a lot of people doing bad things are afraid. Not all of them, but a lot. And that’s an important thing to keep in mind whenever you’re trying to develop a plan for responding to them.

isaacsapphire

It’s impermissible to voice a fear of rape for immigrants or other non Whites. I’ve seen people mocked and bullied into silence for asking for advice in dealing with their established sexist Indian boss, because being worried about getting fired for being pregnant is mockable, even if you boss has done that very thing previously, if you mention that said boss is Indian.


And let’s not even get into if it’s permitted to notice that local gang membership is usually limited to a fairly narrow ethnicity and presentation, making elevated caution around those matching that description wise.


Oh, or that the local more Brown school is also the one with horrible teachers a high rate of violence. The only reason you wouldn’t want your kids to attend is racism tho.

apprenticebard

Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about with “it reads as specifically racist”. I’m saying it doesn’t have to do with the perceived political valence of the speaker in general, it has to do with whether people read it as “oppressor afraid of the oppressed” or “oppressed person afraid of the oppressors”. A white woman afraid of black men is considered mockable; a black woman afraid of white men is not. I don’t think this changes if the white woman is a leftist feminist and the black woman is a Republican.

And maybe that’s what you’re saying? But I think “wokeness” is generally used to describe political valence, not characteristics like the race of the person in question? Even if people do also make assumptions about political valence based on race.

isaacsapphire

Wokeness IS an inherently racial lense through which to view the world: it is ontologically impossible for a Woke person to fear eg. Black men as Black men, and only as men if their blackness is occluded. If a Woke person fears Black men, they aren’t actually Woke.