tranarchist

Day 1: Read Settlers

Day 30: Amish Genocide

thathopeyetlives

What the?

isaacsapphire

Amish are landowners. Actually pretty substantial land owners.

thathopeyetlives

Yeah, they are.


The “joke” is more on the spectacularly totalizing ideology, inability to tolerate wierd random sects even in theory, general “yikes” factor.

isaacsapphire

I’m actually currently considering using, “what does your ideology/you think of the Amish?” As a stock useful question to extract a lot of information that I care about fast.


Because you get this kind of thing, where inability to tolerate cultural/economic/religious differences is illustrated. You also get people who fall over themselves to say how wonderful the Amish are and how they are a good example of what they want to make all of society look like.

mitigatedchaos

My belief: Transhumanism is actually Good, but we need to establish areas and precedents such that things like Amish communities can still exist and be totally unaugmented, not just on a “legally permitted” level, but on an “economically feasible” level.  (And not necessarily sharing in truly spectacular levels of wealth of the rest of society - the key thing is not desperate enough that they gradually have to give up or disappear.)

squareallworthy

“The state is obligated to maintain the economic feasibility of every community’s chosen lifestyle” is a pretty deep hole to dig yourself into.

mitigatedchaos

Not so much the Amish specifically, as I believe that Transhumanism should be voluntary.

And voluntary for real, not “it’s technically voluntary, but if you don’t engage in it, you starve to death.”

Also maintaining low-tech farming communities somewhere probably hedges against some kind of disaster.

pissbabyanarchist

Ok, but at what level (of wealth presumably?) do you reject the “legitimacy” of their cultural free zone.

mitigatedchaos

It’s a tough question since it requires an effective subsidy, but it’s not something you can give a hard answer to because it’s situational.

An uncontacted tribe was recently wiped out by gold miners (unconfirmed).  That subsidy could be in the form of preventing them from getting wiped out, but it’s still a subsidy.

The thing is that one thing that really scares people about Transhumanism is that it could become economically mandatory.