mitigatedchaos

flakmaniak

@mitigatedchaos how about this sci-fi take on gendpol:

“Men are indeed worse than women in various ways, more antisocial, violent etc…

And we have egg-combining technology so we can make a Lesbian Utopia…

HOWEVER, we should still keep the population at approximately 50:50… For the long-term psychological benefits of romantic interaction, given most women are straight.”

mitigatedchaos

You say this, but I already once did a fake nation writeup where they created a single-sex and it turned out terrible - not because they weren’t gay enough, but rather, because they embraced the worst aspects of both masculinity and femininity simultaneously. (And also, they would have been less bad off if they had just a few teaspoons of Feminism, but that wasn’t going to happen, for Reasons.)

gendpol

sighinastorm

All white people owe poc reparations

ratherbeinspacewithotherstars ratherbeinspacewithotherstars

This isn’t a debate.
Your guys’ ancestors enslaved us and treated us like property that could be disposed of easily.
Now you continue to mistreat us.
Pay up
You reparations show you are sorry for your ancestors racism and the current racism.
So pay up

anti-sjw-movement anti-sjw-movement

My ancestors didn’t though, in fact most people ancestors didn’t. A tiny percentage of the global populace owned slaves and the majority of that was in Africa where it’s still happening today… do they pay reparations too? By your logic. Yes they do.

sighinastorm

I do think reparations were owed, but the only sound way to do it, that I can
think of, would be for reparations to have taken the form of (at least partially) education and higher vocational training, beginning immediately during Reconstruction. Even today, I think a program like that could do a lot of good, but with what we’re doing along those lines now, we begin too late. College is too late. We need to be assigning scholarships to preschools and grade schools.

“Your guys’ ancestors“, though? Please.

anti-sjw-movement anti-sjw-movement

I don’t think reparations is owed at all, for a start the white people today who’s families did indeed own slaves at one point are not at fault for that, they didn’t personally own slaves and they could very well be upstanding members of society who would never do wrong, why should they suffer whether financially or made to sit in a classroom to be told how they’re bad.

Secondly whilst slavery was a disgusting part of human history, it was the social norm and people then were accustom to it, those who weren’t stood against slavery firmly.

Thirdly, many many many white people gave their lives in war to free slaves, no one ever mentions this, acknowledges that these people died to change the world.

All of this and more reasons are why reparations are unjust and unneeded.

sighinastorm

When the slaves were freed and then basically just left to figure out
what to do for themselves, a self-perpetuating underclass was
created. This has left a black mark (no pun intended) on our social
history, and a brake on our nation’s progress in countless fields.

For the ever-present “race issue“ to not be a thing that exists America, what would that be worth? For racial division to have never have been such an issue
in justice, imprisonment, crime, poverty, sciences, arts,business, ownership, housing, city settling, finance, what would that be worth to a country?

Reparations isn’t just some moral absolution for a sin (yours, mine,
or somebody else unrelated’s). The goal was integration, which,
foolishly, was thought to be obtainable for 40 acres and a mule.

>> why should they suffer whether financially?

A cohesive society benefits all therewithin.

mitigatedchaos

That isn’t what the reparations people actually want, though, and the reparations people will never agree that any sum of money is enough, so the right move for the national government is to never pay any reparations on this matter.

The reintegration of blacks into the broader American culture is Nationalist, would require rejecting Multicultural Diversity as a terminal value, and would mean in some ways result in the dissolution of what has effectively become an ethnic group within the nation.

Can you imagine the enormous left-wing freak-out if they caught on that that was what were doing? Re-activating the melting pot within the nation on its own groups? Further transforming “American” into an outright ethnicity?

It would be worth an utterly enormous amount of money, more than it would actually cost, but no one in this country is capable of actually executing it. The ones that want to do it won’t do it correctly, and the ones that don’t want to do it don’t want to pay for it.

identity politics the iron hand fish breathe water

iammyfather

All white people owe poc reparations

ratherbeinspacewithotherstars ratherbeinspacewithotherstars

This isn’t a debate.
Your guys’ ancestors enslaved us and treated us like property that could be disposed of easily.
Now you continue to mistreat us.
Pay up
You reparations show you are sorry for your ancestors racism and the current racism.
So pay up

anti-sjw-movement anti-sjw-movement

My ancestors didn’t though, in fact most people ancestors didn’t. A tiny percentage of the global populace owned slaves and the majority of that was in Africa where it’s still happening today… do they pay reparations too? By your logic. Yes they do.

sighinastorm

I do think reparations were owed, but the only sound way to do it, that I can
think of, would be for reparations to have taken the form of (at least partially) education and higher vocational training, beginning immediately during Reconstruction. Even today, I think a program like that could do a lot of good, but with what we’re doing along those lines now, we begin too late. College is too late. We need to be assigning scholarships to preschools and grade schools.

“Your guys’ ancestors“, though? Please.

anti-sjw-movement anti-sjw-movement

I don’t think reparations is owed at all, for a start the white people today who’s families did indeed own slaves at one point are not at fault for that, they didn’t personally own slaves and they could very well be upstanding members of society who would never do wrong, why should they suffer whether financially or made to sit in a classroom to be told how they’re bad.

Secondly whilst slavery was a disgusting part of human history, it was the social norm and people then were accustom to it, those who weren’t stood against slavery firmly.

Thirdly, many many many white people gave their lives in war to free slaves, no one ever mentions this, acknowledges that these people died to change the world.

All of this and more reasons are why reparations are unjust and unneeded.

sighinastorm

When the slaves were freed and then basically just left to figure out
what to do for themselves, a self-perpetuating underclass was
created. This has left a black mark (no pun intended) on our social
history, and a brake on our nation’s progress in countless fields.

For the ever-present “race issue“ to not be a thing that exists America, what would that be worth? For racial division to have never have been such an issue
in justice, imprisonment, crime, poverty, sciences, arts,business, ownership, housing, city settling, finance, what would that be worth to a country?

Reparations isn’t just some moral absolution for a sin (yours, mine,
or somebody else unrelated’s). The goal was integration, which,
foolishly, was thought to be obtainable for 40 acres and a mule.

>> why should they suffer whether financially?

A cohesive society benefits all therewithin.

mitigatedchaos

That isn’t what the reparations people actually want, though, and the reparations people will never agree that any sum of money is enough, so the right move for the national government is to never pay any reparations on this matter.

The reintegration of blacks into the broader American culture is Nationalist, would require rejecting Multicultural Diversity as a terminal value, and would mean in some ways result in the dissolution of what has effectively become an ethnic group within the nation.

Can you imagine the enormous left-wing freak-out if they caught on that that was what were doing? Re-activating the melting pot within the nation on its own groups? Further transforming “American” into an outright ethnicity?

It would be worth an utterly enormous amount of money, more than it would actually cost, but no one in this country is capable of actually executing it. The ones that want to do it won’t do it correctly, and the ones that don’t want to do it don’t want to pay for it.

iammyfather

Why is it “ The reintegration of blacks into the broader American culture is Nationalist, would require rejecting Multicultural Diversity “ when it comes to Black people, but integrating everything from Greco-Turkish to Scandinavian, is “Building Multicultural Diversity “. As for those that say “My ancestors didn’t own slaves”, you are copping out, they still supported a system that enshrined slavery, even if they sat around a table bitching about it. if your ancestors, like mine came over after slavery was ended, we have still benefited from the way the system was rigged.

mitigatedchaos

You know how the SJ Tumblr Left constantly goes on about White People™ not having a culture? What exactly do you think happened to those European cultures that came over here? How many third generation Italian immigrants do you know that speak Italian?

Melting Pot means creating a new culture from a unifying of other existing ones. In this sense it is a Nationalist enterprise, and because culture is so important, it’s one I support. As it says on my profile here, I am a Nationalist. There are many kinds of Nationalism.

As for the debt, intergenerational justice does not exist, but it’s still in the interests of the nation and state to solve this matter as it continues to create unnecessary poverty, crime, and breaks in national unity.

rtrixie

steel-kun

“How many layers of soulless, commodified and forced cultural and religious amalgamation are you on?”
“idk, like maybe 3 or 4?”
“You are like a little baby. Watch this”

huntrad

Why can not these people just start a religion, so i can hate it and i dont need to describe them every time i hatepost about them?

official-barron-trump official-barron-trump

shit man a dream catcher and a yin yang, we’re RUINING THE AMERINDIANS AND ASIANS

anti-sjw-movement anti-sjw-movement

When what you’re fighting for is so ridiculous you talk shit about a cheap novelty gift most likely made in China.

caughtindacrossfire

Inb4 she blocks you.

steel-kun

So this post has been tagged as “#sjw” by the usual suspects, showing once more that this site continues to be tone deaf across the entire political spectrum.
Perhaps the strangest, but not uncharacteristic response to this post was the unwarranted speculation that I’m somehow fighting for anything. My post contained no calls to action or even the suggestion of politics. I’m not part of the cultural appropriation hysterics crowd, and consistent with that I’m not calling for anything to be forbidden or sanctioned or to be racially or culturally policed. Perhaps we can focus on the things I wrote in the fairly short post, which shouldn’t be a challenge to read and digest, or so one would assume.
I pointed out what I called “soulless, commodified and forced cultural and religious amalgamation“. Each of those words is important, more so than buzzwords that I didn’t use. The example should serve to illustrate all of those.
First of all, that it’s a cheap novelty gift item is part of the issue. Both the tajitu symbol (often known as “a yin yang” among people who have a surface level of engagement and interest in Chinese culture) and the dreamcatcher are meaningful items that derive their meaning from associated spiritual beliefs. The tajitu illustrates the (primarily) Daoist concept of metaphysics, the idea that all apparent dualities emerge from one monadic principle. Dreamcatchers are tied to Ojibwe religion and are a concrete manifestation of a protective deity (the Spider Woman).
You might notice that we’re not talking about the proverbial sausage added to mapo dofu, the strawman employed to imply that the opponent thinks culture will be destroyed if it’s combined with something foreign. Not a profane item like food or casua clothes or technology, each of these items has a specific, self-contained meaning, and each of them is tied to the spiritual beliefs of a specific group. Fact aside that these hence sacred and meaningful objects have been turned into “cheap novelty gifts” (hence, commodified), by combining them for aesthetics they lose their meaning. How is this object still a Daoist religious item? How is it still an Ojibwe cultural item? The only meaning and message this item conveys now is that of a commodified aesthetical item that is mainly meant to signal its owners attachment to non-western (and this is why whether the item carries Chinese or Ojibwe cultural connotation is moot) New Age liberal conceptions of harmonic and enlightened Others. Hence, it’s soulless - the two original items have lost their meaning, their potential for people to meaningfully relate to them, and have become a product that has a limited, commodified, self-masturbatory message.
Finally, this item is a forced amalgamate because it is not the result of genuine, authentic cultural innovation and interplay and bricolage. You have been spending too much time arguing with fourteen year olds socialized in a hysterical, authoritarian environment, who might have made you believe that the only opposition to cultural syncreticism and innovation are leftist kids who want ethnocultural safe spaces. This is likely why you did not address the points in my post and went straight for the “SJW” arguments you brought with you.
Consequently, you are uncritical about the fact that his is indeed a wholesale enterprise that is marketing these products because they know that in the US and elsewhere, enough green tea-drinking “spiritual but not religious” sufferers of colonial cringe desperate for an identity or two will buy the idea of a mystical, enlightened Other that is vaguely defined (Chinese? Indian? Native American? all the same, right?) but if at all then from western ideas of progressivism.

In closing I would like to stress that if I did not suggest this should be banned or forbidden or at all acted against, I do very explicitly say that this kind of uncritical and callous display of neutered, meaning-bereft symbols applies to the lowest common denominator and is helpful in marking individuals who you might otherwise have wasted time on socializing with. It is in this spirit that I would like to share the link to the item in question as well as the store (in Delhi, India) so that you can buy those, and maybe epically spite some top kek SJWs along the way.

Parting words: I’m a dude, but you do you when it comes to your likely logicd/mrcappadocian line of thought that someone who raises a point agsint the commodification of culture, be it from the left or the right, can only possibly a woman.

rtrixie

The only meaning and message this item conveys now is that of a commodified aesthetical item that is mainly meant to signal its owners attachment to non-western (and this is why whether the item carries Chinese or Ojibwe cultural connotation is moot) New Age liberal conceptions of harmonic and enlightened Others.

Sums it up well

Source: steel-kun interesting

mutant-aesthetic

theheronsjblog

Sometimes I wish tumblr had a downvote option to allow me to go hog-wild in fucking over fascist / anti-sjw / 4chan blogs.

mutant-aesthetic

Right, because that works so well on reddit…

mitigatedchaos

Haha, in about ten minutes, downvotes would become a badge of pride, showing how successful the blog was at annoying people like OP. Plus the dumb call-out posts would immediately begin downvoting random fifteen year old girls into oblivion for not liking the right SU ship.

Source: theheronsjblog

bambamramfan

What can you see

bambamramfan

Wrapping up this weekend of posts talking about the future, I’d like to ask a question.

A few weeks ago someone pointed out that the anti-SJW crowd is so cavalier towards Trump because they can’t really imagine our country ending up anywhere to the right of where we currently are. There might be some policy change in the tax rate, but fundamentally, campus activists will be arguing for corporations and the US government to stop oppressing numerous identities, and corps and the gov will condescendingly humor them.

Which sounded accurate (especially as rightists would argue I was wrong about things, but not actually deny that particular mindset,) but it raised a broader question - can any of us imagine a significantly different future than now?

Think about the strangeness of today’s situation. Thirty, forty years ago, we were still debating about what the future will be: communist, fascist, capitalist, whatever. Today, nobody even debates these issues. We all silently accept global [liberal democratic capitalism] is here to stay. On the other hand, we are obsessed with cosmic catastrophes: the whole life on earth disintegrating, because of some virus, because of an asteroid hitting the earth, and so on. So the paradox is, that it’s much easier to imagine the end of all life on earth than a much more modest radical change in [liberal democratic capitalism] . - Zizek

So what does everyone reading this think things will look like ten, twenty, or thirty years from now? Yes we can joke a lot about potential disaster scenarios (apocalypse, Big Brother, fast takeoff, the Social Justice Internationale) but uh, seriously, what do you think that will look like? What would living in it be like?

Do you think a fascist takeover no-for-real is likely? Will there be an underground? What will happen to the internet? Will we go backwards on racial justice and if so in what ways?

On the other side, does anyone think the forces of progressivism can win? Not just keep their head above water, but actually establish enough equality to make racism and sexism less pressing issues? What the hell does that look like?

Or even if your a techno-utopian who thinks some of these life changing developments (immortality, super AI, brain upload) will happen within 30 years, what will that uptake practically look like? Will everyone in the world get it on day 1? If not, how will it be distributed? How long will it take before more than the 10% richest people in the world benefit from it? 50%? Everyone? In the interim what does a world with radically powerful technologies in only the hand of a few look like to you?

I want to be more imaginative, and have at least some idea of what a medium-term future is that isn’t just more “Democrats and Republicans without progress fight and young people whine about it on the internet.” But do we even have the capability to take it seriously?

mitigatedchaos

If you like, I could brainstorm some more exotic alternate futures.

In practical terms, however, I think the tech won’t be addressed until it is closer and looms in the public imagination. Same with lots of other issues.

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bambamramfan

What can you see

bambamramfan

Wrapping up this weekend of posts talking about the future, I’d like to ask a question.

A few weeks ago someone pointed out that the anti-SJW crowd is so cavalier towards Trump because they can’t really imagine our country ending up anywhere to the right of where we currently are. There might be some policy change in the tax rate, but fundamentally, campus activists will be arguing for corporations and the US government to stop oppressing numerous identities, and corps and the gov will condescendingly humor them.

Which sounded accurate (especially as rightists would argue I was wrong about things, but not actually deny that particular mindset,) but it raised a broader question - can any of us imagine a significantly different future than now?

Think about the strangeness of today’s situation. Thirty, forty years ago, we were still debating about what the future will be: communist, fascist, capitalist, whatever. Today, nobody even debates these issues. We all silently accept global [liberal democratic capitalism] is here to stay. On the other hand, we are obsessed with cosmic catastrophes: the whole life on earth disintegrating, because of some virus, because of an asteroid hitting the earth, and so on. So the paradox is, that it’s much easier to imagine the end of all life on earth than a much more modest radical change in [liberal democratic capitalism] . - Zizek

So what does everyone reading this think things will look like ten, twenty, or thirty years from now? Yes we can joke a lot about potential disaster scenarios (apocalypse, Big Brother, fast takeoff, the Social Justice Internationale) but uh, seriously, what do you think that will look like? What would living in it be like?

Do you think a fascist takeover no-for-real is likely? Will there be an underground? What will happen to the internet? Will we go backwards on racial justice and if so in what ways?

On the other side, does anyone think the forces of progressivism can win? Not just keep their head above water, but actually establish enough equality to make racism and sexism less pressing issues? What the hell does that look like?

Or even if your a techno-utopian who thinks some of these life changing developments (immortality, super AI, brain upload) will happen within 30 years, what will that uptake practically look like? Will everyone in the world get it on day 1? If not, how will it be distributed? How long will it take before more than the 10% richest people in the world benefit from it? 50%? Everyone? In the interim what does a world with radically powerful technologies in only the hand of a few look like to you?

I want to be more imaginative, and have at least some idea of what a medium-term future is that isn’t just more “Democrats and Republicans without progress fight and young people whine about it on the internet.” But do we even have the capability to take it seriously?

mitigatedchaos

If you like, I could brainstorm some more exotic alternate futures.

In practical terms, however, I think the tech won’t be addressed until it is closer and looms in the public imagination. Same with lots of other issues.

bambamramfan

Sorry if I was unclear (to @wirehead-wannabe too.) I mean what do you really think is a likely possibility for the 10-30 year timeframe.

A lot of decisions to pursue the normal career path don’t really make sense if you think within 20 years the world will look like a crapsack. And if you think fascism is really coming, writing easily search criticism of it is also a bad idea (same for if you really believed the Left was going to be sending enemies to the gulag.) Investing in retirement vehicles or long term assets would be absurd.

But most people don’t, and they act as if they are preparing for a life of perpetual liberal capitalism. I guess I can only think of survivalists or MIRI not fitting that, but I’m sure there are plenty of other groups putting their money where there mouth is.

What are non-liberal futures you see that you think might really happen, enough to consider life choices around?

mitigatedchaos

Actually, as a combination of technological developments, lack of resource shortages so far, and the election of Trump, my estimates of the risks of global nuclear war and total collapse have gone down, even though my estimates of necessity of geoengineering have gone up. I was wanting to increase my level of survivability, and I still do to a degree, but less so now.

Which is basically the opposite of the Left’s reaction to him. But I’m a Nationalist (though I did not vote for Trump), and Trump’s election felt unreal - the Establishment was freaking out about him, even on the Right. So that meant it actually is possible to break out of the Establishment and its goals, possibly even lower the amount of unnecessary war, maybe.

If he is successful, Trump may shift the Republicans into a sort of Populist party that cares less about wedge social issues and less about raw exploitation and exporting all of the nation’s intellectual property/capital for short-term gains now. We’re seeing movement on the H1B issue, which was something big business desperately wanted, so while my estimate of environmental risks has gone down, my estimate of indestructible corporate oligarchy has also gone down (even as it went up for most leftists).

Don’t discount the possibility that Trump will be somewhat successful. His immigration plan is going to tighten the labor market, and non-citizen immigrants don’t get to vote. He also isn’t fundamentally committed to hard right capitalist policies economically.

The most probable non-liberal outcome for the United States is a military coup after some combination of factors. Leftists lack the power to conduct a violent overthrow of the government, and the power of the US military is immense. I don’t think it would be a civil war. I also wouldn’t expect the coup forces to be hard right or to be sympathetic to hard racism - rather to just continue to let racial problems go unresolved. Likewise, they wouldn’t be Communist, but probably some kind of Capitalist economic Nationalists with some eventual level of corruption. The coup would lower economic output, but probably not wipe out all savings.

(Edit: I think the coup forces might target Muslims, but I think other groups such as Hindus and Buddhists would be left alone. (People worry about Islam spreading and undermining all of society, but only worry about Hindus as competition for jobs, which is way less pressure.) One of the groups at risk are Chinese immigrants, depending on the actions of the PRC and if it becomes way more dangerous than it currently is, instead of starting to succumb to the problems it has allowed to build up. Gays probably wouldn’t be pushed on too hard since they’re already in the military, and might even be used as a justification to exclude Muslims. They are even some transgender veterans, though they would be at higher risk.)

It’s also possible that California may leave the Union for real - the difference in values is increasing. If they do, I think they’ll be let go, and maybe the rest of the West coast will follow them. In this case, the US will start to be split into multiple countries and will shift right politically without the heavy blue weight of California.

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kissingerandpals-deactivated201

imp

that whole radical vulnerability thing was just performative softness it wasnt actual vulnerability because it would be a lot darker otherwise lol

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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

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