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you’re too orthogonal to me to be my political opposition
I follow you for weird ms paint comics and the futurist pseudo-history. moar of both pls

Also if I’m being honest, I’m pretty sure the latter ask is what the AnCaps are following for.

asks silver-and-ivory

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@silver-and-ivory

do you make the drawings yself
(they’re actually really good)

Yeah, I draw the stuff in the #the mitigated exhibition tag. I use my old tablet and CS4.

It’s not my primary specialization. Regular artists, with another thousand hours of practice or more, can do a lot more a lot faster. I could produce some of what others produce as speed paintings or similar, but it would take me about 10-20x as long, possibly longer.

Then again, do I even have a primary specialization?

Anyhow, I recommend that everyone practice drawing a little, as it’s a useful tool for self-expression and communication.

It would be interesting to see other artist takes on the Union Girl character.

私 the mitigated exhibition silver-and-ivory

argumate

silver-and-ivory said: seems like there’s a v strong division
silver-and-ivory said: between high status men who get away with everything
silver-and-ivory said: and low status men who get arrested for, idk, wearing a shirt crooked or some shit

yessish, but I’m not sure if that’s the best framing for it as it offloads the difference onto vague notions of status instead of institutional position.

While a prison guard may be “low status” relative to a movie producer or a member of congress, they can still get away with very creepy and exploitative behaviour towards prisoners, sometimes even up to the point of torture and murder without repercussions.

Michael Bay didn’t have that kind of power over Megan Fox, but he still had some power that say a Citibank executive wouldn’t have had, in that his position includes the right to decide who has a career and who doesn’t, with no real oversight or feedback on how he makes that decision.

“you can’t avoid the guy, have to work with him, have to be nice to him, and can’t complain to anyone about his behaviour” is a toxic combination anywhere.

mitigatedchaos

Status is also a factor beyond just institutional power.

People will let popular and attractive people get away with doing things that they would never let an unpopular, unattractive person do, and they’ll make excuses for them that they wouldn’t make for an unpopular person.

I don’t agree with BA that it’s all-consuming, there are things that can pierce and overcome it, but it’s definitely a factor.

Most non-AnCap Anarchists I’ve seen don’t seem to have anything to stop weaponized popularity, except that the communes are limited in size.

gendpol

silver-and-ivory

Anonymous asked:

so let me get this straight. you physically have the dna of two white lesbians yet you still somehow think you're genetically asian?

silver-and-ivory answered:

hon, i’m adopted. from china. it’s. not that hard to figure out.

silver-and-ivory

both lesbians are also cis, i’m pretty sure i’ve said that in the past

cromulentenough

Also like, ‘my parents are both lesbians’ should probably have a bigger prior of ‘adopted’ rather than ‘test tube baby that didn’t require sperm which is theoretically possible but hasn’t ever actually happened yet’.

fuck-planets

The silver lining is that we’ve staffed this corner of Tumblr with so many transhumanists that someone’s brain ACTUALLY supplies “near/mid-future gene-editing technique” before “adoption.”

silver-and-ivory

I mean I’m pretty sure that anon thought that I was Rachel Dolezal: Part Two, Asian Boogaloo; but this is a far more pleasing interpretation. @mitigatedchaos would approve.

mitigatedchaos

Obviously you’re just not signalling being Chinese hard enough.

You’re gonna need to wear a qipao, while putting your hair in a bun and putting two chopsticks through it, while appearing in a kung fu movie set in Hong Kong, while speaking with a heavy Cantonese accent.

This should make it clear to all readers that you are definitely Chinese, despite growing up in America to the point that you tag things as “#half-remembered” and probably having almost no familiarity with speaking Cantonese in your life.

Now I know what you’re thinking. “But wait, don’t many overseas Chinese students these days speak with an accent almost indistinguishable from American English as spoken by a second-generation immigrant?” But this is about Tumblr theater for Americans who project their own terrible race politics on every other country, regardless of whether it’s remotely applicable, so spoon feeding is required.

As for the kung fu, that’s merely a point of disagreement between me and the current government on whether learning a martial art should be mandatory for all able-bodied adult citizens as part of a broad-based, multi-layered civil defense strategy. The good news is that the same viewers don’t know what real martial arts looks like, so you don’t actually have to learn kung fu, at least while the government and I hash out our differences over what qualifies as “an essential obligation of citizenship” and a “necessary sovereign service to be yielded by the state.”

shtpost this is a joke dont take it seriously

silver-and-ivory

on that note @mitigatedchaos I can’t thank you enough for bringing us the quality “atheists belong in camps” posts

silver-and-ivory

As far as I can tell, you’re not really going for persuading them, nor do you seem to really gain much from interacting with them.

And your audience (that is, people who follow you) aren’t likely to be influenced away from their nonexistent seething hatred of atheists. (And it’s not that much more compelling to me than you just talking about futurist stuff by itself.)

I’m actually kind of curious, why do you try to argue with them if not to persuade?

mitigatedchaos

I’m pretty sleep-deprived today because I’ve been having to watch this dog all week and he’s undergoing separation anxiety and howling at 4 in the morning.

So I got kind of annoyed at the emotional tone of the original series of posts it was in response to, and wanted to knock it down a peg.

Usually, I curate the mitigatedchaos blog for reading and would shunt such arguments to the -extras sideblog, but I also wanted to clarify a few opinions I have WRT religion that I haven’t really clarified yet on this blog.

Like, I’m reconstructing Nationalism and social centrism so people might otherwise assume I would also be pro-religion rather than far more neutral on it.

discourse meta

silver-and-ivory

argumate

A: *makes suggestion*
B: I think that’s a bad idea.
A: what are you triggered bro?? did I trigger you?? why so sensitive???

when exactly did the “triggered” meme escape the containment field and become a standard part of political discourse, even for people who are notionally in favour of content warnings / safe spaces, and used as a bludgeon against criticism that isn’t even personal.

silver-and-ivory

It’s not like “triggered” is even an argument against something. It’s just a way to dismiss something without even actually discussing it.

argumate

in this case we’ve already gone one step beyond to dismissing objections on the basis that the person objecting clearly has no valid grounds and is simply using triggered as a weapon, even when they’re not claiming to be triggered.

it’s the “chicken, McFly??” for year of our lord 2k16

silver-and-ivory

triggered, hon? drowning in your white cismale tears lmao, your life is so hard isn’t it boo hoo hoo go fuck yourself :)) lmao

[this is ironic]

argumate

there is actually an unspoken implication that only certain classes of people can suffer from mental disorders like PTSD, so a white cis male claiming to be legitimately triggered by a particular situation would indeed be subject to ridicule.

it’s the equivalent of that “scared of feminism? well why don’t you just man-up and stop being a whiny little bitch” discourse.

silver-and-ivory

Aye.

mitigatedchaos

I think that’s part of why it escaped containment. “Man up” was already a meme in use, so some people thought they could do it back with a different spear, but then it turned out that using various “lol wussy” spears can be turned back on you yet again. That and when “triggers” expanded in scope, Conservatives assumed it was secretly a method to control the discourse.

Source: argumate

bizarrolord

mitigatedchaos

I will admit, when I realized that each generation must raise the next, and I mean really realized it, not just in passing, I became more right-wing.

mitigatedchaos

@silver-and-ivory why did you

If some subset of society just does whatever they want, as long as it’s not too big, then it doesn’t risk imploding society.

However, for society to continue and be good to live in,

Each generation must have and raise children
These children must be raised to be of at least average virtue

Thus, the family is, in fact, one of the primary core units of society, and of great importance. How people live, in the aggregate, matters a lot. The education and raising of children matter a lot. There is a maximum number ratio of wine-drenched spinsters and perpetual bachelors, beyond which, long-term, any nation will crumble.

How people live determines the wealth of society, the general pleasantness of society, and so on.

silver-and-ivory

I feel like this is wrong but I have no idea why I feel like that, so have a reblog.

dagothcares

False equivalence. The right doesn’t raise their children to be more virtuous than the left. They have different vices and virtues.

mitigatedchaos

Sure, in some ways. Some patterns work even when done by people who don’t believe in having others follow them.

Also, there is more than one way to be right-wing.

What’s right and left can vary, too. Polygmy is bad for children. However, while in the middle east, polygamy would be Trad, in the United States, it would be the Idpol Left that would legalize it, in the name of “religious tolerance” and a bunch of other things.

And thus, within the context of America, my opposition to it is “right-wing”.

mailadreapta

Without getting into a long argument about which left wing virtues are actually virtues, could we agree that the right wing virtues are often those which contribute most directly to intergenerational transmission?

(“Right wing” covers a lot of different groups so to be clear I’m taking about social traditionalists mostly.)

It’s the right, not the left, which treats childbearing itself as a virtue. The right has economic productivity as a virtue. These are two things we need in order to keep having the kind of society we currently have, and ideologies which argue against them are arguing for their own extinction.

wirehead-wannabe

Memetic virulence is not moral correctness

earlgraytay

“It’s the right, not the left, which treats [the divine right of kings] as a virtue. The right has [mercantilism] as a virtue. These are two things we need to keep having the kind of society we currently have, and ideologies which argue against them are arguing for their own extinction.”

~ conservatives in 1650, probably

bizarrolord

Why the hell is humanity so important compared to other species, anyway? I’m pretty sure that dolphins could do a better job than we did with civilization once they develop writing and speech and whatnot.

I honestly don’t care if humanity dies out at this point. At the current time we are responsible for the next generation, but basically we have a 99% chance of fucking the next generation up because of our own failings and the failings of the generations who have come before us. People basically have kids for selfish reasons or because they have basically given up on their own lives and that’s about it.

Signed, a perpetual bachelor whose parents really, really shouldn’t have had kids

mitigatedchaos

Dolphins aren’t going to do anything of the sort. The evolutionary gap is too large, and if they managed to cross it (including migrating back to land), they wouldn’t be dolphins anymore.

Chimps are the better candidate to actually happen, and chimps are fkin’ brutal.

I’m not saying that you, in particular, need to have kids, though.

Source: mitigatedchaos politics dolphins

silver-and-ivory

mailadreapta

In the collection of rhetorician Richard Weaver’s essays entitled In Defense of Tradition, Weaver describes the different forms which propaganda can take and their intended effects. Type 1 Propaganda is the “Big Lie” of the Soviet Union or Orwell’s 1984. The nature of the “Big Lie” is that the lie should be so big and so obvious that no sane person could believe it.
Superficially, this form of propaganda would be similar to the Chinese loyalty test referred to as “Point Deer Make Horse.” The difference is how the lie is used. As a loyalty test, the “Big Lie” is meant to distinguish those who will lie from those who will not lie for the authorities. As a form of propaganda, the loyalties of the targets are already known: they are enemies. Instead, the lie is a form of psychological torture meant to degrade and demean members of the opposition. Consider the following quote from Theodore Dalrymple:
In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.
Weaver explains that this form of propaganda is aimed at demeaning, humiliating, and eroding the self-respect of those who oppose the regime. It is an expression of pure power, in that the propagandist can force the victim to repeat a doctrine that both people know is untrue. There is no potential gain for the propagandist except insofar his enemy is psychological broken and defeated. There is no intention for the “Big Lie” to have any effect outside the torture chamber.

Source.

wirehead-wannabe

*sideye at organized religion*

silver-and-ivory

@squareallworthy This might be the quote you were looking for in regards to Hillary Clinton.

isaacsapphire

So, nobody clicked through to the article I’m thinking.

The title is “Transgenderism Is Propaganda Designed To Humiliate And Compel Submission”

Basic upshot of it in quotes:

“…left-wing signaling is an arms race in which leftists are trapped by the terms of their religious status system in an escalating spiral to see who can find the most radical, most irrational expression of egalitarian ideas…

Cathedral elite know full well that transgender individuals are mentally ill and have chosen to embrace this cause for ulterior motives, as there is something inherent in the issue that provides them an advantage… this form of propaganda is aimed at demeaning, humiliating, and eroding the self-respect of those who oppose the regime. It is an expression of pure power, in that the propagandist can force the victim to repeat a doctrine that both people know is untrue. There is no potential gain for the propagandist except insofar his enemy is psychological broken and defeated…

…this propaganda is aimed at religious and socially conservative or moderate individuals who are politically centrist or center-right. The threat is implicit: either admit that the man in a dress is a woman, or we will take away your job, take away your respectability in the community, send CPS after your children, and otherwise destroy your life… examine the various media pieces about how straight men are bigots because they won’t have sex with transsexual “women:” the implicit threat here is chilling. The message from the Cathedral mouthpieces is that the time is coming when dissenters will be told that they must copulate with a transgender or be punished by the regime. What could be a greater exercise of pure power than forcing your opponents to participate in soul-destroying sexual depravity and to pretend to enjoy it?

…Transgender individuals are puppets of his system. Their ultimate fate is irrelevant to the question at hand, and any discussion on the right about “compassion” or “understanding” is a non sequitur… acting like transgenderism has anything to do with helping actual transgender individuals makes one a participant in propaganda and a willing dupe…

How many genders am I holding up, Winston?”

silver-and-ivory

Great….

mitigatedchaos

This is definitely what some conservatives actually believe.

Their understanding of gender is attributed to “genes,” but it’s actually skin deep. They either cannot accept that hormones could go wrong at the brain sexing process even though they believe brains are sexed, or they see the phenotype as dominant and morally binding over the neurotype.

Though of course, this is shaped in part by the fact that some people just don’t pass, and barring new medical technology, never will. Even with those that pass better, there can still be brain systems that are going “THAT IS [SEX]” subconsciously which are in conflict with hetero- (or more rarely, homo-) monosexuality.

Of course, some of the gender people are baffled by this, because they’re at least weakly bi- or pansexual, so what’s a deal-breaker for someone who is Very Straight seems like a fake concern to them, and if it’s a fake concern, then it must exist to further oppression, right?

Source: mailadreapta transphobia cw gendpol

dagothcares

mitigatedchaos

I will admit, when I realized that each generation must raise the next, and I mean really realized it, not just in passing, I became more right-wing.

mitigatedchaos

@silver-and-ivory why did you

If some subset of society just does whatever they want, as long as it’s not too big, then it doesn’t risk imploding society.

However, for society to continue and be good to live in,

Each generation must have and raise children
These children must be raised to be of at least average virtue

How people live determines the wealth of society, the general pleasantness of society, and so on.

silver-and-ivory

I feel like this is wrong but I have no idea why I feel like that, so have a reblog.

dagothcares

False equivalence. The right doesn’t raise their children to be more virtuous than the left. They have different vices and virtues.

mitigatedchaos

Sure, in some ways. Some patterns work even when done by people who don’t believe in having others follow them.

Also, there is more than one way to be right-wing.

And thus, within the context of America, my opposition to it is “right-wing”.

Source: mitigatedchaos gendpol

silver-and-ivory

Sometimes it strikes me as really really immoral that schools exist. They seem like an almost universally terrible experience, though I suppose that might be biased by who I discuss things with.

I don’t really see why more people haven’t tried something different, especially considering how painful the entire thing is. You’d think that the Elite would at least realize that school sucked.

Maybe it’s a way for them to control their children, though.

argumate

it’s free childcare

silver-and-ivory

I don’t think so, though- there are easier ways to get free childcare. It’s probably aimed at edifying the children and preparing them for adulthood.

It is often not-great at that. This is quite possibly an organizational problem, in that it’s very hard to control and also educate a large number of people who often have a bad grasp of their own preferences and long-term needs.

What it probably comes down to is that a standardized set of Stuff to Learn and ways to judge that is far easier and more coherent to measure and encourage. In general people want to make sure that schools are Actually Working to educate children, and standardization gives them a good measure.

(To be clear, it is perfectly reasonable to want schools to Actually Work and I myself would like, in theory, to ensure that schools Actually Work. It is just the implementation that is often botched.)

It is way harder, less reliable, and probably leads to more upset or worried parents to set up a non-railroady, truly open-ended experience. It might also have not-that-many appreciable benefits, except to a few students.

School is probably also in some sense a competition for positional goods and status. If your kid doesn’t go to school, then they’ll lose out! If they don’t get into this school they will be a loser forever. I suppose that part of this is also tradition/family based.

(I’ll address other responses later today.)

mitigatedchaos

Please keep in mind that the supply of high-IQ individuals to run both our nation’s institutions and industries is very limited.

policy maybe

ranma-official

theonion:
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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

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