mitigatedchaos

@theunitofcaring:  it does not have anything to do with ‘nations don’t real’ and is mostly used by people who think that they are (and that immigration restrictions are good, just shouldn’t apply to sympathetic people who’ve lived here for twenty years without trouble working hard)

It’s a tough question, because I don’t want to let the Democrats subvert the immigration system, and through it, democracy and de facto ownership of the state/country.

And I don’t think immigration is the solution to global poverty.

So if it were up to me, I’d probably pick some combination of all four of the alternative policies WRT to immigration at the bottom of this ask, simultaneously.

discoursedrome

OK this is a bit of a tangent, forgive me:

One thing I find bothersome about the “Democrats importing people to win elections” narrative – setting aside the fact that immigrants primarily settle in Democratic strongholds as it is – is that it sort of assumes that being against whatever new people show up is a terminal value of the Republicans, which is silly. The American right does pretty well with people who emigrated from the Communist bloc, for instance, but it’s not that those people are inherently more “right-wing” in an objective sense, it’s that the American right has defined itself in a way that offers them more. It could easily do the same for later waves of immigrants, if only it could wrestle down the xenophobic portion of its base. They fucked it up about as hard as possible, but that GOP postmortem that determined they needed to win over Hispanic voters and were in a position to do so was correct – ICE can’t kick down enough doors to reverse that demographic trend.

There’s a common reactionary concern that the influx will fundamentally reshape the culture of America, but I’m pretty skeptical. America has had comparable waves of immigration in the past, and they did have some effect, but that effect is generally considered positive or neutral now, and none of them did nearly as much to change the nature of the country as WW2. Over the kind of timeframe where demographic shifts become an issue, most of the current batch of migrants will assimilate and shift rightward, and if the world hasn’t blown up by then, in a hundred years people will be pointing to them as examples of the “good” kind of immigrant to contrast with the hordes of unamerican degenerates pouring in from, I dunno, let’s say Aragon.

The uniting factor that makes immigrants more likely to vote Democrat is that the Democrats have less of an active interest in screwing them, and the Republicans are only interested in screwing them because they’re them, so it’s really a self-inflicted wound. Even the much-feared Radical Islamists are closest ideologically and politically to hard-line localist fundamentalist types who are die-hard Republican voters.

I don’t know enough about the history to say whether the Democrats actually were the ones who made xenophobia vs. xenophilia into a party-lines issue, but it’s definitely the Republicans who kept it there, and that tactic had at least as much effect on the resulting consequences as the original immigration reforms and the civil rights movement.

mitigatedchaos

It’s actually related to the selectiveness of immigration, the rate of immigration, and so on.

The Republicans need less immigration because they need time for that rightward shift to occur.

Most of the immigrant groups, especially ones coming in in numbers, are apparently more in favor of government intervention than the mean US voter.  If you’re a Republican, this is bad.  If you’re a Republican, catering to that means becoming a not-Republican.

Could that be due solely due to Republican opposition?  Possibly, but if you’re a Republican and your outreach has failed (perhaps in part because of racially-correlated wealth inequality - which again, dealing with is at odds with your whole Republican thing), is that a chance you want to take?

(Edit: Also, the list of proposals by Trump, offhand, sounded like it was designed to pull more of the Anti-Communist, Republican-voting immigrants in.  Naturally it was rejected as being evil, but of course it would be as a political tactic, GOP are known to do similar.)