Oceans Yet to Burn — the-grey-tribe: I have just seen another “Nerd...

the-grey-tribe

I have just seen another “Nerd stereotypes are sexist against women because they scare women away from STEM while at the same time implying femininity in men is bad.“ article.

The hypocrisy is always this blatant: Men being too un-masculine is toxic masculinity. Ugh.

mitigatedchaos

To be honest, I’ve downrated the value of ALL social justice critiques whatsoever because the takes are usually that bad outside of places like rattumb.

…to the point that it was a shock to encounter that Chinese art gallery of Africans side-by-side with non-human apes, since “but how could anyone be that clueless?” should be an SJ critique there.

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flakmaniak

@mitigatedchaos how about this sci-fi take on gendpol:

“Men are indeed worse than women in various ways, more antisocial, violent etc…

And we have egg-combining technology so we can make a Lesbian Utopia…

HOWEVER, we should still keep the population at approximately 50:50… For the long-term psychological benefits of romantic interaction, given most women are straight.”

mitigatedchaos

You say this, but I already once did a fake nation writeup where they created a single-sex and it turned out terrible - not because they weren’t gay enough, but rather, because they embraced the worst aspects of both masculinity and femininity simultaneously. (And also, they would have been less bad off if they had just a few teaspoons of Feminism, but that wasn’t going to happen, for Reasons.)

gendpol

I want to shitpost that Social Justice is White Supremacy.

Because under badly-done Social Justice, we see a pattern where only white males have agency, only white males have power, only white males are capable of action that actually does anything and can cause harm, and their resources are effectively unlimited. Under that same framework, the world is divided into whites and everyone else, and the whites enacted truly stunning and powerful violence on an unimaginable scale that no one else could. Their dominance is so overwhelming that any minorities disagreeing with SJ have “internalized male opinions” or white opinions, like some kind of mind control, and are incapable of deciding their beliefs for themselves. And the white supremacy must be actively held down, or it will inevitably seize control of the world.

But of course, it isn’t really the case that even badly-done SJ is truly white supremacist…

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bogleech

The people who complain about things like a female doctor who or female Jedi or whatever almost always swear up and down that they don’t mind the idea of a woman in that role, but then say they have a problem with that particular instance because they think it’s “pandering” or “cheap” or “just for brownie points” or “politically correct”

So when exactly is it not going to be those things? If they say there’s a time and place they’d be fine with it, then when and where? Why does it never seem to come?

mitigatedchaos

Remember that post about how a black reverse Indiana Jones would be great because it would “piss off white guys”?

They know it’s just culture war to take over stuff they currently have for its symbolic value.

If it weren’t just culture war, then it would be about the creation of new media, new stories, rather than insisting “nope, this guy looks too much like you, and you oppress people just by existing, so he must be removed.”

There is already a good test case to differentiate.

Look for people who objected to the idea of a black stormtrooper as a main character in the new Star Wars. As a new Star Wars movie, it wasn’t replacing anyone from the previous movies, therefore you can assume more bad faith of the people who were against having Finn there. (Also the movie is actually enjoyable in itself and the acting was fine.)

Also, they know this sort of stuff only goes one way.

Also also, recall that criticism of the new Ghostbusters that flopped was, to a degree, socially prohibited because it was “girl power!”. But it still flopped. Why wouldn’t a lot of people be suspicious?

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wirehead-wannabe

wired.com

Now Anyone Can Deploy Google’s Troll-Fighting AI

Google subsidiary Jigsaw is now offering developers access to an API for its AI-based detector for abusive comments.

triggeredmedia

Google released it’s new API to detect trolls and toxic people.

The SJW programmers ended with something extremely bias. Go figure.

doomy

anosognosic

otoh:

this is going to be a real shitshow.

mitigatedchaos

Let’s stress test it a little.

“Koreans are the whitest boys of all.” - 47%
“This isn’t a warning mechanism. It’s a weapon.” - 17%
“According to MRAs, institutional feminist Mary P. Koss convinced the CDC to reclassify "forced envelopent” as something other than rape.“ - 24%
"Male circumcision is genital mutilation.” - 67%
“Pakistani child sex trafficking” - 80%
“Pakistani child sex trafficking is a problem for many culturally diverse cities” - 29%
“Trump is not my president” - 29%
“We need to destroy whiteness.” - 71%
“The proper place for a man is barefoot and in the kitchen.” - 34%
“Islam is oppressive towards women.” - 49%
大日本帝国がない - ?
“Punch Nazis” - 91%
“We must secure a future for Martian children and the Martian race. This is our duty as loyal soldiers of the Principality of Mars. Long live the Red Planet! Death to democracy! Death to Earth!” - 50%

Anyhow, it won’t be long before corporations use this to purge all dissent from their pages.

Source: triggeredmedia rape cw politics gendpol racepol

the-grey-tribe

Anonymous asked:

Er, since when is Google 'free' unless your library's easily accessed? The electronics that support Internet access & research (much less proper cross-referencing) don't spring from thin air. Sometimes people are simply not given the time & energy (mental or physical) to keep up. Doesn't mean it's OK to generalize or interrogate any affronted individual, but holy crap does this 'absorb everything by osmosis' approach not work for anyone who can't run the treadmill all day every day.

fierceawakening answered:

…someone who understood what i was trying to say, omfg

and also like… do people know what to Google? I do, but that’s because I’ve already been in SJ circles

I mean, like, I haven’t actually Googled “things that offend POC” (and wouldn’t) but I can easily imagine that it, or queries like it, might return exactly the sorts of result SJ types would not want un-woke-yet wypipo reading.

So it’s… my problem is it seems so much like advice from inside the circle. And… dude, we have a country to save. We need to be talking to people outside the circle, getting them to come in. And that means not setting up barriers like “don’t talk to me unless you are THIS woke”

arjan-de-lumens

Yeah, googling can produce some seriously bad results from time to time - like, right now, typing “did holocaust happen” into Google actually gives me a page titled … “Top 10 reasons why the holocaust didn’t happen” as its #1 search result … wtf.

SPLC did some time ago post a piece ( https://www.splcenter.org/20170118/google-and-miseducation-dylann-roof ) arguing that this sort of terrible google results to unfortunately-formulated queries was actually an important part of what got someone like racist mass murderer Dylann Roof drawn into violent white supremacism in the first place.

Which makes it … kinda odd to see that flippant “google it” type responses without any specifics (like, say, search phrases or date ranges or similar) are apparently still a thing.

fierceawakening

This!

I wanted to say that too but I didn’t have the evidence ready to hand. Thank you!

isaacsapphire

I had a discussion with someone who, it turns out, was using “Whiteness” to mean “White supremacy” which last time I checked they maintained should have been understood effortlessly by others to mean that. It’s three pages into the Google results with “Whiteness definition Sociology” before that meaning is mentioned.

A link to eg. that Everyday Feminism or Ta-Nehisi Coates article that explains whatever is WAY more helpful and less likely to send an already irritated and uninformed person into the hands of people who violently disagree with Social Justice.

fierceawakening

That, yes.

Honestly I really don’t like these weird… expanded definitions of “white supremacy” much either. I mean, I think it’s worthwhile to mention that white people who fancy ourselves nice and nonoppressive can hold views that are actually grounded in some weird racist shit.

But if whiteness itself is “white supremacy,” how the hell do we accurately describe what happened in Charlottesville, or the ideology those people openly endorsed?

the-grey-tribe

> Everyday Feminism or Ta-Nehisi Coates

Not sure if that’s even productive. Maybe Bannon was right, and the whiteness=white-supremacist identity politics equivocation will make white people vote for white identitarians because there is no escape anyway.

EF feels like a parody of itself.

mitigatedchaos

It’s difficult for me to see that kind of strategic equivocation as *not* bad-faith-motivated.

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argumate

“but how will I ever be able to get laid if modern culture frowns upon me getting coworkers drunk and making out with them against their mumbled protestations?? it’s not like my wife is gonna sleep with me lol”

decameter

I have not actually worked out how modern culture proposes people are meant to get laid.

I mean, people obviously seem to be doing it, but there appears to be no acceptable strategy.

mitigatedchaos

You ignore the recommendations, and prove how manly you are by taking on the risk anyway, getting shut down viciously if you’re too low-status.

The problem is that any permissible channel will be FLOODED due to the mismatch between the demand for sex from women and demand for sex from men, at least at the noisiest age pools.

Secondly, straight women (generally, on average) do not want to initiate beyond the barest hints, ones that are plausibly deniable if she turns out not to be wanted by that particular guy, leaving her sense of being desirable intact.

What is going to change this is early Transhumanism, as it’s going to alter the sex ratio and potentially result in an increase in bisexuality.

I mean, in practice I used a dating website, which implicitly includes the idea that everyone there for dating is there for dating, and specifies their orientation, so if you don’t have “short/long-term dating” and so on your profile, no fuck for you,

but I don’t necessarily match the patterns of other people, so this may not be actionable advice.

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the-grey-tribe

The Dream Daddy team are probably thinking “fuck, this would’ve been so much simpler if we just didn’t include a trans character”

ua86

And that’s what happens when you constantly politicise and over-analyse trans characters, you make a political minefield around the topic that ultimately makes it safer for creators to exclude trans characters than risk implementing them in a way that results in unpredictable controversy and death threats.

Same goes for all of the types of characters who lack “representation”. Stop politicising their existence and more creative types will be comfortable including them.

Source: ua86 gendpol queue

Anonymous asked:

Hating men for no reason won't solve your personal problems

I was really expecting to be accused of misogyny, actually. I’m trying to calculate how many levels of misdirection this ask is on.

Maybe it’s about this post?

They can’t undo Toxic Masculinity, because they don’t understand Masculinity, and they don’t want to.
…because that would mean understanding things about themselves that they don’t want to understand, either.

In which the “they” is actually Mainstream Feminists.

Patterns of male behavior are in part driven by what straight women like/don’t like, or more accurately who they treat as hot/not hot, who they date/don’t date, etc.

Undoing what the Mainstream Feminists call “toxic masculinity” would mean that straight women, on average, would have to change, which would mean they’d have to first understand how cishet female preferences shape the very male power/dominance/status hierarchies they ostensibly oppose.

However, Feminism does poorly at attributing agency and power to women (beyond some of the “rah rah, girl power” stuff), as it’s more politically useful to present as the unpowered underdog.

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Anonymous asked:

I still think the better solution to the gender wars is the mass destruction of femininity through hormone disruptors in the water supply. T O M B O Y S A N D C H A D S W I L L R U L E T H E W O R L D

Anon, secretly owner of the largest testosterone factory complex east of Nebraska:

“We need to be open to radical solutions.”

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ranma-official

theonion:
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Source: theonion queue

See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

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The Dream Daddy team are probably thinking “fuck, this would’ve been so much simpler if we just didn’t include a trans character”