Oceans Yet to Burn

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[the-grey-tribe]

The one strategy that unifies “prenatal testosterone makes you want to be a coder more“ (Damore) and “actually women are better at communication and that’s what building a search engine is all about“ (Zunger) and “more women working at Google is a terminal value“ (@trickytalks) and “Google should not have to lower standards for women to hire more of them“ is obviously to give Estradiol to around 40% of the existing currently male Google engineers who are coders already. (@oktavia-von-gwwcendorff)

[mitigatedchaos]

Don’t worry. In the transhuman future, the equivalent of this happens by itself without the need for industry-specific policy.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

wired.com

Now Anyone Can Deploy Google’s Troll-Fighting AI

Google subsidiary Jigsaw is now offering developers access to an API for its AI-based detector for abusive comments.

[triggeredmedia]

Google released it’s new API to detect trolls and toxic people. 

The SJW programmers ended with something extremely bias. Go figure. 

[doomy]

[anosognosic]

otoh:

this is going to be a real shitshow.

[mitigatedchaos]

Let’s stress test it a little.

“Koreans are the whitest boys of all.” - 47%
“This isn’t a warning mechanism. It’s a weapon.” - 17%
“According to MRAs, institutional feminist Mary P. Koss convinced the CDC to reclassify "forced envelopent” as something other than rape.“ - 24%
"Male circumcision is genital mutilation.” - 67%
“Pakistani child sex trafficking” - 80%
“Pakistani child sex trafficking is a problem for many culturally diverse cities” - 29%
“Trump is not my president” - 29%
“We need to destroy whiteness.” - 71%
“The proper place for a man is barefoot and in the kitchen.” - 34%
“Islam is oppressive towards women.” - 49%
大日本帝国がない - ?
“Punch Nazis” - 91%
“We must secure a future for Martian children and the Martian race. This is our duty as loyal soldiers of the Principality of Mars. Long live the Red Planet! Death to democracy! Death to Earth!” - 50%

Anyhow, it won’t be long before corporations use this to purge all dissent from their pages.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[profeminist]

5 Debunked Gender Myths In That Google Anti-Diversity Rant

[argumate]

regular reminder that the most woke way to mock a man is to imply that sexual virility is the key to male worth; oh yeah and all men are straight

[ranma-official]

Patriarchal attitudes are the most feminist thing possible

[mitigatedchaos]

Bad Trad Chad: You see, women are weak and helpless creatures at the mercy of strong, powerful men, who hold all agency and make all decisions.

Dumb Internet Feminists: Yes, I agree, it is definitionally impossible for women to have power.

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balioc.wordpress.com

Fractal Diversity

The short version is: There are many different axes along which people can differ from each other. If your goal is to maximize the variability and diversity of your population along a given axis, …

[balioc]

Because “diversity” doesn’t mean what it’s usually made to mean.

[mitigatedchaos]

This is not the diversity post I have been putting off writing, but it is adjacent to it.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

Anonymous asked:

Why do male characters in older books seem so -- there is no other way to say it -- gay? They cry, they swim naked with their friends, they hug and talk about how much they love each other, etc...

slatestarscratchpad answered:

I heard the theory that if homosexuality is so beyond the pale as to be socially impossible, then there’s no need to avoid potential signals of homosexuality. Right now men don’t do those things because if they did, everyone would assume they’re gay. If the assumption is nobody’s gay, you can do whatever you want without signaling anything.

I don’t know how true this is, someone like ozymandias271 might know more.

[mitigatedchaos]

That’s certainly my read on the situation, at least for the West. It will start to relax over time, I think.

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Anonymous asked:

Bisexuality, the naive centrism of sexuality.

Anon, honey kun, this is a really bad take and you should feel bad.

Modern political theorists haven’t modeled orientation-party-metaphor as a single axis since at least the publication of the Ganymede Papers in 1917.  Most now model it as either a 17 or 5-dimensional manifold, depending on whether their simulations need full granularity.

Even using the outdated dual-axis Barker-McWillis partition of the orientation space shows that bisexualism isn’t centrism.  

I really don’t know how I and every other gender-ideostruct theorist can be clearer about this.  

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[theunitofcaring]

Honestly, being in a community where the consensus was ‘bisexuality is the obvious correct orientation, someday we’ll have the ability to change orientation and when we do I will be bi because then I will be able to date more cool people” was kind of good for me because it meant that there was that zany, offbeat, totally-disconected-from-queer-politics message competing with all the biphobia and lesbophobia and discourse. Like, I know it can be a hurtful message or reenforce other hurtful messages, but competing needs are a thing and ‘an environment that takes for granted that maybe someday we’ll get to pick and that when we do people might happily choose non-straight orientations’ was a need of mine.

[wirehead-wannabe]

Seriously though why would anyone want to have to deal with Gender Wars Discourse and lopsided gender ratios in hobbies and pregnancy and power imbalances.

[mitigatedchaos]

Okay, but I don’t want to deal with compulsory bisexuality discourse and pressure that is sure to result. Right now, we have the excuse not to be bi that changing sexuality is difficult if not impossible.

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Anonymous asked:

In response to the trans sex thing I don't think I'll ever understand why liberals are so obsessed with having sex with people who don't like them. It comes off as disingenuous and creepy. "You're not entitled to sex but I am"

diarrheaworldstarhiphop answered:

I mean, that’s pretty on the money in a way. Why should you be fixated on making someone have sex with you if they are inherently intolerant of you?

Unless like, you are a teenager and fucking assholes and getting heartbroken and abused by someone you want to disingenuously like you because of your obsession with the shallow trappings of being in a relationship with a cis person of the opposite sex is your thing.

Validation should come from peace with yourself than from the person who fucks you.

it’s like the guaranteed path to depression and chronic self-loathing.

[mitigatedchaos]

The lesser form is because there are guys that still flip out and kill people over it. If they go away it should trend downwards towards the more normal “you are wrong not to fuck me” stuff like with weight clothing etc.

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[argumate]

anaisnein said: the concept of natural, non-socialization-driven self-sorting by gender assumes that, in the absence of all socialization, gender would still be a thing (and one that generally aligns with what we’ll postulate are the two major reproductive apparatus types or clusters thereof). and I don’t find that intuitively obvious. and studies about babies gravitating to faces vs mobiles or whatever don’t seem to make a dent in how not at all intuitive it is.

I’m not sure how we could test this, given that human babies aren’t capable of independent development, so we can’t just dump a bunch of them in the wilderness somewhere and see what happens, nor do we have any truly blank slate adults to look after them.

[mitigatedchaos]

My intuition is the opposite - it seems pretty absurd that sexual dimorphism would apply so clearly and visibly to the rest of our bodies yet have no impact whatsoever on personality distribution or what people are attracted to, especially given how complicated heterosexuality is.

And like, to rub this in, noticing that as many as 1 in 5 women may have PCOS (and thus elevated androgens) depending on the cutoff level just makes this seem more sensible to me, not less, because you can have a sterile XY female with sufficient androgen insensitivity, so obviously the process is complicated and not just a binary switch, leaving room for lots of variation while still clustering.

[argumate]

do rates of PCOS differ by field?

[mitigatedchaos]

I would love to know this and rates of bisexualism/etc by field. I suspect they do, but I have a sample size of like, two.

[mitigatedchaos]

Of course none of this is a reason not to believe individuals that say they like certain fields/interests!

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[argumate]

anaisnein said: the concept of natural, non-socialization-driven self-sorting by gender assumes that, in the absence of all socialization, gender would still be a thing (and one that generally aligns with what we’ll postulate are the two major reproductive apparatus types or clusters thereof). and I don’t find that intuitively obvious. and studies about babies gravitating to faces vs mobiles or whatever don’t seem to make a dent in how not at all intuitive it is.

I’m not sure how we could test this, given that human babies aren’t capable of independent development, so we can’t just dump a bunch of them in the wilderness somewhere and see what happens, nor do we have any truly blank slate adults to look after them.

[mitigatedchaos]

My intuition is the opposite - it seems pretty absurd that sexual dimorphism would apply so clearly and visibly to the rest of our bodies yet have no impact whatsoever on personality distribution or what people are attracted to, especially given how complicated heterosexuality is.

And like, to rub this in, noticing that as many as 1 in 5 women may have PCOS (and thus elevated androgens) depending on the cutoff level just makes this seem more sensible to me, not less, because you can have a sterile XY female with sufficient androgen insensitivity, so obviously the process is complicated and not just a binary switch, leaving room for lots of variation while still clustering.

[argumate]

do rates of PCOS differ by field?

[mitigatedchaos]

I would love to know this and rates of bisexualism/etc by field. I suspect they do, but I have a sample size of like, two.