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Anonymous asked:

I still think the better solution to the gender wars is the mass destruction of femininity through hormone disruptors in the water supply. T O M B O Y S A N D C H A D S W I L L R U L E T H E W O R L D

mitigatedchaos answered:

Anon, secretly owner of the largest testosterone factory complex east of Nebraska: 

“We need to be open to radical solutions.”

[mitigatedchaos]

n.n.:  We can do better than just water.

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Anonymous asked:

I still think the better solution to the gender wars is the mass destruction of femininity through hormone disruptors in the water supply. T O M B O Y S A N D C H A D S W I L L R U L E T H E W O R L D

Anon, secretly owner of the largest testosterone factory complex east of Nebraska: 

“We need to be open to radical solutions.”

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[argumate]

“but how will I ever be able to get laid if modern culture frowns upon me getting coworkers drunk and making out with them against their mumbled protestations?? it’s not like my wife is gonna sleep with me lol”

[decameter]

I have not actually worked out how modern culture proposes people are meant to get laid. 

I mean, people obviously seem to be doing it, but there appears to be no acceptable strategy.

[mitigatedchaos]

You ignore the recommendations, and prove how manly you are by taking on the risk anyway, getting shut down viciously if you’re too low-status.

The problem is that any permissible channel will be FLOODED due to the mismatch between the demand for sex from women and demand for sex from men, at least at the noisiest age pools.  

Secondly, straight women (generally, on average) do not want to initiate beyond the barest hints, ones that are plausibly deniable if she turns out not to be wanted by that particular guy, leaving her sense of being desirable intact.

What is going to change this is early Transhumanism, as it’s going to alter the sex ratio and potentially result in an increase in bisexuality.

I mean, in practice I used a dating website, which implicitly includes the idea that everyone there for dating is there for dating, and specifies their orientation, so if you don’t have “short/long-term dating” and so on your profile, no fuck for you,

but I don’t necessarily match the patterns of other people, so this may not be actionable advice.

[mitigatedchaos]

Anyhow, to add on to this, revealing you find someone hot when you’re attempting to extract resources or in a high-stakes …relationship negotiation? …hurts your bargaining position.

At least, you can still get away with pretending that you have to be won over (and showered in all the resources that “winning over”) requires, so long as there are more incoming proposals than outgoing ones, such that the norm is they have to approach you if they find you hot.

As the sex ratio changes, this becomes less and less feasible.

Since I expect a decent-sized chunk of people (3-5%) to “exit” from being male (as we know it) once the technology improves, that throws the bargaining out of whack, as does bisexuality, which means you’re competing with more people for a higher virtual gender ratio… or something.  Naturally, once being a sex is more voluntary, what being that sex means changes as well.

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[argumate]

“but how will I ever be able to get laid if modern culture frowns upon me getting coworkers drunk and making out with them against their mumbled protestations?? it’s not like my wife is gonna sleep with me lol”

[decameter]

I have not actually worked out how modern culture proposes people are meant to get laid. 

I mean, people obviously seem to be doing it, but there appears to be no acceptable strategy.

[mitigatedchaos]

You ignore the recommendations, and prove how manly you are by taking on the risk anyway, getting shut down viciously if you’re too low-status.

The problem is that any permissible channel will be FLOODED due to the mismatch between the demand for sex from women and demand for sex from men, at least at the noisiest age pools.  

Secondly, straight women (generally, on average) do not want to initiate beyond the barest hints, ones that are plausibly deniable if she turns out not to be wanted by that particular guy, leaving her sense of being desirable intact.

What is going to change this is early Transhumanism, as it’s going to alter the sex ratio and potentially result in an increase in bisexuality.

I mean, in practice I used a dating website, which implicitly includes the idea that everyone there for dating is there for dating, and specifies their orientation, so if you don’t have “short/long-term dating” and so on your profile, no fuck for you,

but I don’t necessarily match the patterns of other people, so this may not be actionable advice.

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[argumate]

I’m surprised no one has suggested sexual harassment insurance.

[mitigatedchaos]

It obviously wouldn’t work, since all the accusations for these big figures tend to be suppressed and come out at once, so you can’t use it to preview how likely they are to grab you.

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The Dream Daddy team are probably thinking “fuck, this would’ve been so much simpler if we just didn’t include a trans character”

[ua86]

And that’s what happens when you constantly politicise and over-analyse trans characters, you make a political minefield around the topic that ultimately makes it safer for creators to exclude trans characters than risk implementing them in a way that results in unpredictable controversy and death threats.

Same goes for all of the types of characters who lack “representation”. Stop politicising their existence and more creative types will be comfortable including them.

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[roachpatrol]

i still think it’s darkly hilarious that so many men heard women say ‘i want a man that’s sensitive’ and heard it as ‘i, a man, should be extremely sensitive about my feelings and desires, that is what women want, they want to be kept constantly walking on eggshells around my hairtrigger emotional state,’ instead of ‘ohhh women want partners who are sensitive to THEIR feelings and desires’.

like. this isn’t that hard. practice emotional reciprocity with women. listen to and sympathize with them. it will make your life way better than just demanding that people constantly cater to you and then not giving anyone anything back.    

[mitigatedchaos]

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Like, “pay attention to my girlfriend’s emotions, be sensitive to my girlfriend’s emotions, but otherwise be a stone-faced, indestructible rock golem of strength” is the expectation.

And when straight women who are upset about things like in your post say they want a “sensitive guy,” it’s phrased in ways like “I want a guy who knows it’s okay to cry.”

Like, that pretty clearly means in touch with his own emotions.

Straight guys expect that if they are emotional in ways other than validating the emotions of their girlfriends, women will break up with them.

You tagged this “bangs pots and pans in a masculine manner” so I’m going to assume you’re male.  You should really know better than this, if you’re not just doing rah rah performative wokeness.

Walking on eggshells is never fun, but I always get the sense from these conversations that it’s always “how dare women have to walk on eggshells?  What, lots of straight men already had to walk on eggshells?  Who cares about them??”

And in turn, I can’t see it anything other than yet another gender war munition that men should just ignore.

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Anonymous asked:

nothing usually happens to these guys. weinstein is different. many many people are coming forward, others are openly condemning him. but, and this is key, he lost really important things - his position, his many professional affiliations

argumate answered:

if the culture flips so that the value of speaking up significantly outweighs the value of staying quiet then the changes could be drastic and amusing

[mitigatedchaos]

True, but, there’s no way to effectively clear your name after an accusation if it’s false. (Not saying the ones around Weinstein are false. That sounds true.)

Given that accusations of sexual assault of men by women are still not taken seriously, that gives one gender a superweapon. Some Feminists would argue that men already had a superweapon so it was already unfair, but of course men who don’t sexually assault people don’t actually get any advantage from other men being able to. Like, if some ass passes a law that Inuits can murder people, but most Inuits don’t even want to murder people, much less actually murder people, and all Inuits are then after viewed as potential killers, that isn’t actually good for Inuits - it’s good for only Inuits that are murderers.

Right now, there’s a movement afoot that none of the claims of sex crimes (by women) are false, or that they should all be treated as true a priori. In practical terms, this relies on two things - the idea that coming out with the information is damaging to oneself, and the idea that women are more moral than men / would never be abusive or lie to gain that kind of advantage.

The second part has never been true, women were never actually pure fonts of moral righteousness, it’s just a lot harder to get away with certain kinds of shit if you’re a woman. (A difference in tactics makes sense from either practical realities like bimodal upper body strength distribution or neurotype average differences - take your pick according to your beliefs.)

That leaves the first part, which is being eroded. People are mocking Mike Pence, but his policy of never being alone with a woman that is not his wife is like the only kind of strategy that will pre-empt that kind of accusation.

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[argumate]

silver-and-ivory said: seems like there’s a v strong division

silver-and-ivory said: between high status men who get away with everything

silver-and-ivory said: and low status men who get arrested for, idk, wearing a shirt crooked or some shit

yessish, but I’m not sure if that’s the best framing for it as it offloads the difference onto vague notions of status instead of institutional position.

While a prison guard may be “low status” relative to a movie producer or a member of congress, they can still get away with very creepy and exploitative behaviour towards prisoners, sometimes even up to the point of torture and murder without repercussions.

Michael Bay didn’t have that kind of power over Megan Fox, but he still had some power that say a Citibank executive wouldn’t have had, in that his position includes the right to decide who has a career and who doesn’t, with no real oversight or feedback on how he makes that decision.

“you can’t avoid the guy, have to work with him, have to be nice to him, and can’t complain to anyone about his behaviour” is a toxic combination anywhere.

[mitigatedchaos]

Status is also a factor beyond just institutional power.

People will let popular and attractive people get away with doing things that they would never let an unpopular, unattractive person do, and they’ll make excuses for them that they wouldn’t make for an unpopular person.

I don’t agree with BA that it’s all-consuming, there are things that can pierce and overcome it, but it’s definitely a factor.

Most non-AnCap Anarchists I’ve seen don’t seem to have anything to stop weaponized popularity, except that the communes are limited in size.

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