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kissingerandpals:
“ mitigatedchaos:
“ kissingerandpals:
“What, too good to die forever like every other person on Earth?
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What, you think not-dying is some sort of hubristic demand?
“Not wanting to die” is a pretty vanilla position, dude. We even...
kissingerandpals

What, too good to die forever like every other person on Earth?

mitigatedchaos

What, you think not-dying is some sort of hubristic demand?

“Not wanting to die” is a pretty vanilla position, dude.  We even argue over the morality of policy in terms of how people it saves/kills!  It’s pretty common!

Humanity just came up with a bunch of reasons why going feeble and insane was a good idea because they lacked the means to avoid it, not because going feeble and insane and then not-existing is actually a good thing.  

There’s no point in getting yourself hyped up over vaporware.  However, once the technology becomes closer to being within reach, that changes.

kissingerandpals

Death is part of the human condition, a part of reality that every religion, philosophy, and moral system invented by a culture tries to address. Of course it is hubristic to think you can bypass it. To completely bypass death is to change the nature of what it means to be alive.

The nuance between debates around “how can we make life fulfilling?”, “how can we stall death and avoidable illness?”, and “how can we prevent people from dying needlessly in dangerous situations that we are inflicting upon them?” is not the same at all as “how do we live forever?”

Every religion or tribal culture in the world has addressed the hubris about seeking immortality. Every culture has its own failure to achieve immortality myth. How is “wanting immortality is hubristic” a hot take?

Go write a bunch of symphonies if you want to live forever.

mitigatedchaos

So, is heaven hubristic, then?  Reincarnation?  Both are extremely old takes, both are far more commonly accepted than Transhumanism.

Or are the Christians and Buddhists and so on also Transhumanists?  Are they indulging in hubris?

We’ve already redefined things radically, multiple times, to even get to the point where “writing symphonies” is even possible.  

It doesn’t have to be, strictly, forever.  But arbitrarily going feeble and insane, and then involuntarily not existing, it’s not actually this deep, holistic or whatever thing.

And I think it’s incredibly hubristic to say that it’s up to you how much time someone should have with their parents still in their lives, and so on.  Because once the capability for the technology exists, that is a decision that’s being made, not just dodging out of the decision and all responsibility thereof.

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Anonymous asked:

One frightening possibility I have considered: Hell is not merely a misunderstanding of a single thing, but a conflation of two misunderstood things: the aforementioned cessation of existence for people who fail to recognize God, and an inevitable manmade Unfriendly Singularity that will cause a finite but vast amount of suffering for every person so unlucky as to be assimilated into it.

is this the thing where souls are tormented for some amount of time and then destroyed?  I think at least one sect of one religion believes in that.

if it isn’t that, you’ll have to elaborate.

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Anonymous asked:

IMO it's not as alien as you might think, so long as you accept the existence of Heaven. Life as we know it is a minute portion of our life cycle, a tutorial, if you will. God is trying to make as many distinct beings as possible to enjoy eternity in Heaven; our finite sufferings here are random seeds for those beings, and the infinite joy that is to come infinitely outweighs it. It's not alien, just... Correct.

that sounds like something an alien would say

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ascalaphidae asked:

Have you heard of Rob Bell and/or his book Love Wins? Quote: "It's been clearly communicated to many that this belief (in hell as conscious, eternal torment) is a central truth of the Christian faith and to reject it is, in essence, to reject Jesus. This is misguided and toxic and ultimately subverts the contagious spread of Jesus' message of love, peace, forgiveness and joy" That eternal torment by a loving good is *insane* isn't strictly an atheist belief

TBH, one thing I thought about from time to time is that if you’ve got an adversary figure with real magic powers, it could fake a bunch of miracles and make a fake religion with a fake Word of God, and even influence the emotions of people to make them feel like they were getting a real connection out of that.  And how would you know?

But just inserting a few sprinkles here and there in the right places of an ordinary holy book could be pretty effective.

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Anonymous asked:

IMO the many worlds interpretation is the single most shockingly underused response to the "omniscience of God vs free will" dilemma; I suppose that Christian apologists and theoretical physicists must simply travel in the same circles infrequently. God knows exactly what you're going to do, and the answer is an unimaginably large number of different things which separate yous will experience. Every moment has a single past and a vast variety of futures.

That was along the lines of something I considered, although I don’t really believe in Many Worlds myself.

Omnibenevolence shouldn’t be something we look at and it’s clearly wrong, but it could be something we look at and it’s clearly alien.  So, “make all possible worlds, such that all possible people have a chance to exist” is more along the lines of what one would expect.  Or, “God cannot imagine a world without creating it” (nesting realities proposal) “and this is part of the reason evil exists - lack of infinite forethought”.

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mitigatedchaos

Anonymous asked:

Want some extra fun? Christian here who subscribes both to annihilationism (IE, the "hell = nonexistence" doctrine you're describing) *and* quantum immortality; I call this combination quantum universalism.

mitigatedchaos answered:

While many futurists anticipated broad advances across the technological economy, in fields ranging from computing to materials science, few foresaw the radical advancements in theology that advanced quantum theory would bring.

- The Quantum Fields of God, Ned Halibut, Kansas Revival Timeline, 2308 (retrieved from Church of Mars archives 2609 with permission of Father Gregory)

mitigatedchaos

Anyhow, that was an alternate timeline futurist shtpost, but more seriously that is more towards the kind of weirdness I would expect from Ultimate Perfect Good, as compared to some other theories.

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Anonymous asked:

Want some extra fun? Christian here who subscribes both to annihilationism (IE, the "hell = nonexistence" doctrine you're describing) *and* quantum immortality; I call this combination quantum universalism.

While many futurists anticipated broad advances across the technological economy, in fields ranging from computing to materials science, few foresaw the radical advancements in theology that advanced quantum theory would bring.

- The Quantum Fields of God, Ned Halibut, Kansas Revival Timeline, 2308 (retrieved from Church of Mars archives 2609 with permission of Father Gregory)

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I will admit, the most calming take I found on Christianity was some guy arguing at length on a forum that the whole “Hell” thing we take for granted was really, essentially, a translation error, and that the alternative to divine salvation is not eternal torment, but non-existence.

Reading it, I felt a lot of my desire to argue about religion fading out, at least for that time.

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Anonymous asked:

There may or may not be a god. We're working on building a few of our own, to neutralise the threat posed by any preexisting gods. We hope to be in a position to withstand any divine hostilities by around 2085, but in the meantime diplomatic and economic countermeasures must make up the balance.

Man, this is a bit too close to some worldbuilding I did where, in the wake of a supervolcano eruption, a bronze-age civilization flipped from being polytheists to being anti-theists.  The Storm the Heavens and Cast Down the Golden Thrones kind of anti-theists, not the internet article writing kind. (A cult expanded in the wake of the catastrophe and became the new religion.)

They are to train over multiple reincarnations for the literal, not metaphorical, battle at the end of time.

Anyhow, the good news is that gluten has been deemed one of their unholy foods.

anons asks mitigated fiction perpendicular wood there's a good bit more to it than that