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connard-cynique asked:

" implicit threat of violence." So the will to kill anyone not willing to obey :/ Just because we want them to die doesn't mean we won't let them run away. Your solution implies a transition period and financial compensation where our kindness could be abused and our intentions could be watered down if not derailed. Your "plz stay away or we'll shoot" will eventually be mollified by the degenerate left.

Alright, again setting aside that this is trolly bullshit,

All states use the implicit threat of violence.

All states.  Also all Anarchists, so as to prevent the formation of new states.

That includes liberal states!  It includes Democracies!

Anyhow.

If you decide to actually massacre millions in the name of “white protection,” the Liberals get to kill you.

What you’ve just said implies a great confusion about the availability and power of political will.  

Extermination takes more political power than separatism.  If you have enough power to attempt extermination, then you have enough power to do separatism without it getting watered down.  If you have half the power required to enact extermination, you have enough power to do separatism without it getting watered down.

And if the idea that some people might change their minds and later invite others back in applies to separatism, then it also applies to extermination, assuming you don’t literally control all habitable areas of the world in order to attempt extermination completely.

It’s also about political power required per unit area, per political operative, number of political operatives, et cetera.

Making a white city-state requires the coordinated action of the population of a city-state.  So let’s call it somewhere between 1-7 million.  They all have to move into, and control, only a city-state’s worth of geographic area.  Most of them don’t have to be Party Militia members, so your real hardcore force would only need 50,000-500,000. to attempt this.

The entire process can be legitimized through the use of democratic means and ideology of national self-determination.  The desired area can attempt to secede through a vote, severely undermining the ability of democratic nations to respond.

On the other hand, a plot for extermination requires seizing control of the whole country, and maintaining that control.  For a country like Britain, with a population of 65 million, it’s going to need support from at least, let’s say, 25% of the population.  So around 15 million.  And that probably isn’t anywhere near enough unless you also have near-total control of the army.

One of these might actually be possible in the 21st century without the context of an invasion by a foreign power, the global collapse of oil reserves, the government of the United States of America declaring bankruptcy, and so on.  I’ll give you a hint - it’s not the one involving the mass murder of people who have, individually, not committed any crimes worse than a parking infraction.

And that’s disregarding the effect that CRISPR and similar technologies are going to have on race.

But of course, this assumes White Nationalists who are not too delusional and who are capable of pulling off something reasonably well-organized with a realistic and achievable goal.  The kind of people that could somehow make White Singapore.

Which don’t really exist in numbers right now.

I’m hoping that Leftists will be restrained enough to prevent them from coming into existence.

Besides, you’re forgetting a key part of why the Left has been able to advance, socially.  A price paid in blood is a price paid in your nation’s will to survive.

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connard-cynique asked:

Nazis don't exist, they just can't accept that people hold opinions they don't like, so they have to invent a buzzwords to ridicule and dehumanize them, that's the cultural marxists of political correctness do. You're trying to nickpick but it doesn't change that it's what people think. You can't answer an invasion with a "no thanks" and or internal sabotage with "let's agree to disagree", blood have to flow and heads need to end on spikes.

So again, taking this as serious for a moment…

Ethnic separatism isn’t a gentle “no thanks,” it’s the formation of a new, sovereign nation-state based on principles of ethnonationalism and ethnic exclusion.

Exclusion backed by the iron hand of a state, and its implicit threat of violence.

But this isn’t extermination, and it doesn’t require the will for extermination - which isn’t going to exist at the national level barring some pretty shocking unforeseen circumstances.

So assuming you actually believed this, it would be foolish to pick extermination over separatism.

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connard-cynique asked:

You're acting like I have ulterior motives but I don't, I'm not implying anything about libfas, I just thought he was informed enough to understand. I'm just starting a conversation about a subject everyone is already talking about, you're just blinded by your safe space to see the islamic invasion, the degenacy of our culture and the genocide of our race that you are also blind to the only efficient defense.

I understand this ask is satirical, with the goal of mimicking hard-right ideology.  Quite frankly, I’m not sure what the point even is, since for Libfas, it was probably an attempt to bait him into saying something that would “reveal” his “inner Nazi” or something along those lines.  

But not everyone with concerns about immigration truly has a secret inner Nazi with an opinion like your satirical one.  Leftists are just not that great at understanding right-wing motivations, statistically, from what I’ve read.

But let’s assume we take it seriously for one moment.  Just, you know, hypothetically.

Is there any way in which extermination is preferable to separatism?

Because not only does extermination require political will, it requires somewhere between one to three orders of magnitude more political will than separatism, control over the state apparatus, and conditions that, in the West, would only exist in a time of lawless violence and disorder on levels of Weimar Germany (which we aren’t at - note the insufficient challenge to the state’s military power).

And then, once extermination is attempted, because for such a nation to exist (at our technology level) for whites, it must exist in areas that are currently majority white, the full force of the political will of the liberal countries will crash against it, likely resulting in a much larger and better-armed invasion.

Separatism, however, won’t necessarily generate an invasion, and may have trouble rousing even a sufficiently crushing response in economic sanctions.

It would muster almost no response in sanctions if your ethnic separatist population was any color other than white.  However, supposing you really did believe this, that becomes a method to corrode your opposition’s political will - just repeatedly pointing out their hypocrisy on this matter.

So even if one were an extremely racist hardcore reactionary, it just doesn’t make much sense to choose extermination instead.

That doesn’t exclude people from holding such ideas, or even acting on them - after all, destroying the Twin Towers was never going to make America quit meddling in the Middle East.

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natsucc
abcnews.go.com

Former neo-Nazi removes swastika tattoos after unlikely friendship

Michael Kent began the process of covering the symbol after forming an unlikely friendship with his African-American parole officer.
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nunyabizni

“Kent, a former neo-Nazi, credits an African-American parole officer named Tiffany Whittier with helping him to see beyond skin color and changing his views about white supremacy.

“If it wasn’t for her I would have seeped back into it,” said Kent. “I look at her as family.”

Whittier, 45, even inspired Kent, 38, to take down the Nazi flags he had hanging in his living room and replace them with smiley faces.

“I’m not here to judge him. That’s not my job to judge. My job is to be that positive person in someone’s life,” Whittier said.

Added Kent, “When you wake up and see a smiley face, you’re going to go to work and you’re going to smile.”

Kent now works full-time on a chicken farm in Colorado, where all his co-workers are Hispanic.

“Before all this, I wouldn’t work for anybody or with anybody that wasn’t white,” said Kent. “[Now] we have company parties, or they have quinceañeras, I’m the only white guy there!”

Redemption Ink, a national non-profit that offers free removals of hate-related tattoos, helped connect Kent with Fallen Heroes Tattoo in Colorado to begin the 15-hour process of covering his swastikas. The sterile environment is new to Kent who had his previous ink work done in prison.

“I’ve never, never, never been inside of a tattoo shop getting a professional tattoo,” he said.

Kent believes the painful process will help him move forward after spending years as a member of a violent skinhead group based in Arizona. As a father of two young children, Kent also hopes his children will see the world differently.

“I don’t want my kids to live the life I lived and live with hate,” said Kent. “I want my kids to know me for who I am now—a good father, a hard worker, and a good provider.””


@ the punch a Nazi crowd

stupidisaac

Huh… almost like just being there for someone and talking to them can change their minds

nunyabizni

Oh now that’s just crazy talk.

gholateg

I bet if she just punched him that would have worked sooner

friendly-neighborhood-patriarch

Yuuup

klubbhead

Noice

natsucc

awesome for him, that he got deradicalized.

but the people above me are goddamn idiots. one doesn’t kill (replacing punch with this since it’s good to clarify goals) a nazi for the nazis sake. it’s for their victims sake.

hell, revoking naziism may not even save this man’s life. if he ever did any harm in the name of supremacy, then his death would be righteous.

but all of this has no impact on the fact that it’s great that this guy is no longer a nazi.

even if he gets the death he may very well deserve, at least he didn’t hurt any more people, and at least he got to live not as a nazi for however long

chrisray-the-lariat-king

This lady broke him of his shittiness for the victim’s sake too.  This guy not only won’t hurt anyone for the sake of his beliefs, but he is actively doing good, and seemingly doing greater good by the community in which he found himself.  Or are you thinking that going to prison and reforming isn’t enough of a punishment for crimes committed?  

I wouldn’t even take this attitude with a fucking communist, and they’d happily murder both you and I given the chance if history is any indicator.  People changing objectively for the better is always something worth celebrating.

natsucc

i have no idea whether imprisonment was punishment enough, because the article does not specify what he was imprisoned for, how long, where, or what sort of things he may have done in prison as an active nazi.

prison didn’t reform him. the article was quite clear on that. his connection to outside humanity reformed him.

i’m not concerned with “greater good”, which is a bs term anyways. i’m concerned with what’s just, and the fact that there might very well be justice in this man’s death before reformation is an indicator that it absolutely wouldn’t be wrong to “punch” him then.

mitigatedchaos

> thinks “greater good” is a BS term
> doesn’t think “justice” is a BS term

Look, I get that “greater good” has been used to justify atrocities… but what exactly do you think is used to justify inter-generational ethnic revenge killings, the kind that spiral out of control and start ethnic civil wars?

“Justice.”

You’re so eager to punch or kill, even though “any harm” could mean as little as graffiti.

Liberals may not understand how Liberalism works, but it does have mechanisms through which it does work.  You have to think about the mechanics of the incentives.

When you let people marry their cousins, and those people are from extremely patriarchal families from extremely patriarchal cultures, those families can use the cousin marriage as means through which to control and isolate women and reinforce patriarchal cultural transmission, even when a cousin marriage between two others would not impose this effect.

There are mechanics to the incentives.  For the liberalism to work, people can’t be so deeply controlled by their families.  They have to open to atomization and cultural transmission.

When you want to kill someone regardless of the actual level of threat they pose or have posed, it undermines the incentives to quit.

For the Liberalism to work, “exit” has to be a viable strategy.

You might say “but it undermines the incentives to join!”, but the “lol punchanazi” crowd don’t understand the incentives to join and are ideologically prohibited from understanding or addressing them, so that doesn’t float.

Do you care about healing society?  Or, like the man who launched van attacks on Muslims in the UK in response to multiple van attacks by Muslims in the same, even though they weren’t the same individuals, are you out for revenge?

And don’t give me “NAZIS ARE ON THE VERGE OF TAKING OVER AMERICAN SOCIETY!” thing.  They aren’t, and those who think they are, are high on their own propaganda supply.  Charlottesville required busing them from across the whole country.

Anyhow, if people thought that the “lol punchanazi” crowd would stop at actual, literal Nazis, they probably would just let it go, silently.  But almost everyone knows they won’t.

So now we all have to be concerned about the safety of Nazis, because the “lol punachanazis” are terrible at things like “check that the man you’re punching is actually a Nazi first.”  (”But why would a non-Nazi be afraid of being mistaken for a Nazi?” - because wearing a hat that said “Make Bitcoin Great Again” was enough to get maced.)  Charlottesville may have resulted in a kill for them, but there was a masked man hitting people with a bike lock in Berkeley.  It’s only through chance that “Antifa” (in the public perception) didn’t get “first blood.”

As such, each incident is going to drive justification for right-wing behavior.

“But what about the bad things right-wingers do?” - why the fuck do you think they’ve been losing the culture war (not fiscal policy) so badly?  Would the nation be less right-wing if the Vietnam War hadn’t eroded confidence in national wars?  There’s a sharp divide in Millennial support for Democrats based on age, which just so happens to coincide with the Bush Administration.  They may have lost an entire generation over that dumbass Iraq war.  Yes, the Iraqis got it worse, but bad right-wing actions have been part of the reason for society’s shift leftward, socially, for centuries, now.

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libfas

connard-cynique asked:

Do you accept of deny that the extermination of non-whites will greatly reduce crime and improve white countries way of life?

libfas answered:

Exterminating millions of people might spike the crime rate a little. You know, murder being kind of a crime and all …

mitigatedchaos

Look, Connard, honey, darling, pal,

There are things between “arrest man and send him to prison for putting bacon on a mosque door, where he dies, while ignoring child-grooming gangs” and “exterminate everyone that isn’t white.”

Things like “make a sex-trafficking RICO act” or even “actually enforce the law against sex offenders and don’t overlook their actions and give them only short sentences because of their ethnicity.”

I think, perhaps, this says a bit more about the failure of your imagination - including your imagination of libfas’s motivations - than libfas.

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elementarynationalism
elementarynationalism

Honestly if the Indian government buying the bullet train off of the Japanese in the hopes it repeats its zero-accident track record in Delhi isn’t the most ingenious experiment in human biodiversity theory, please find me a better one.

Wait until Dinesh decides the bolts don’t really need to be screwed on as tight as Takashi told him and we’ll see if they match that record.

mitigatedchaos

Bro, m8, buddy, pal,

We don’t have a non-corrupt India with which to separate out biological factors, including environmental ones (such as poor nutrition), so “does India fuck up the bullet train” does not work as an experiment for your hypothesis.

elementarynationalism

You’re not dealing any more in the scientific method than I am. You hazard to bet the fact that bullet trains won’t work in India is down to something intangible like “corruption” and I’m suggesting it’s got more to do with human capital.

People who shit in the street and ride on the top of freight trains aren’t doing so because of poor nutrition, fam.

mitigatedchaos

But they might out of cultural factors.  (Also, poor nutrition, in the aggregate, could harm national IQ and mental health, among other things.)

Corruption is a norm, it can be removed (Singapore) by sufficiently-determined group of actors passing and enforcing the right laws.

The trick is that it’s based on expectations about others engaging in corruption and expectations of getting caught.  It also arises when it’s impossible to function without violating the rules.

When corruption rates are high, there is not only a social expectation that one will get away with it, but there’s also the effect of “but everyone else is doing it - why do they get to benefit, but not me?”  Additionally, there are networks of corruption that can be relied on.

Increasing the odds of getting caught and punished above a certain level eradicates the pro-corruption network effects.  (This could be achieved with a series of sting operations all unleashed at once as a form of shock therapy.)  At that point, corrupt officials become isolated individuals with far less expectation of getting away with it.

After a while, the next generation of bureaucrats rises in which the default is that corruption is almost unthinkable, and the relative rarity at that point makes it much less costly to police.

Under Communism, because it’s so at odds with reality, arresting the corrupt officials won’t work as well because they may have to lie and be corrupt to survive, normalizing corruption.  Similarly, some cultures with a strong external locus of control or other elements may be prone to corruption.

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Anonymous asked:

Are you so sure that the only people who want to live in a European ethnostate are losers? Do you really think successful people with anything to lose would have come out of the "racist" closet in today's environment? You're basically denying the existence of white flight, which is like saying the earth is flat or the greenhouse effect isn't real.

The political climate necessary to even establish such a thing suggests sufficient power mass to deal with most of the marginal sources that would turn people towards wanting a European ethnostate to begin with.

I don’t think what most of the people becoming identitarians right now really want is racial purity.  I just think that they think racial purity is the only way to get what they want.

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Anonymous asked:

Surely if you give the Leftists this one scalp they will stop eroding your liberties. Nonwhite immigrants will embrace the Rights of Englishmen, trust me!

Are you kidding?  The Leftists would be absolutely furious if I got away with this, seeing as it denies the universalism of their ideals.  They’d be furious even if it failed.  They’d still be furious if I also gave one to the Black Nationalists.  (They wouldn’t be furious if I gave one to Black Nationalists but not White Nationalists, but, eh.)

Anyhow, as for “nonwhite immigrants embracing the Rights of Englishmen” - that’s more a matter of social equilibrium forces and cultural replication, not genetics, IMO.  (Also banning cousin marriage WRT its social effects, but cousin marriage rates are fairly low in the US.)  

We need to slow immigration to get housing costs under control anyway.

And besides, if you get a little city-state of your own, then surely you can prove that the “White Way is the Right Way™” and that really it is about genetics and not culture.  Right?

I think it’ll fail, but I’m willing to make that bet.

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