Oceans Yet to Burn

brazenautomaton

Anonymous asked:

People on gangstalking forums all """notice""" they're being stalked by agents of the NWO using covert ray guns. Does this mean covert ray guns and agents of the NWO gangstalking random people is a real phenomenon?

brazenautomaton answered:

no, but covert ray guns and agents of the NWO gangstalking random people are not drawing obvious conclusions from things literally every person can observe

I know you want to say that everything I say that isn’t how you want the world to be is a result of mental illness, but this really, really isn’t. It’s an observation of facts everyone has, but isn’t putting together because it would make them upset. Some of those facts are right there in the post you decry: Americans are remembered as being wicked and evil and have an infinite debt for practicing slavery. North Africans and Ottomans do not. Because North Africans and Ottomans killed all the people they enslaved and Americans did not.

Collective Intergenerational Ethnic Justice isn’t even my term, and it punishing people for not committing genocide is not originally my observation. If we apply ethnic debts based only on the existence of descendants of the people who were wronged, then we ignore crimes which were carried out to not leave any descendants. And when we regard an ethnicity that wronged another ethnicity without committing genocide as being inherently wicked and carrying an infinite debt (because the descendants of those they wronged will always be around, and the past cannot be changed so there will always be something to blame on it), but an ethnicity who wronged another ethnicity and successfully committed genocide is sinless because nobody is around to complain about how their ancestors were treated, then that’s pretty fucked up! “Punishing people for not committing genocide” is a fair summary of the problems with those incentives!

mitigatedchaos

Hi, anon. Collective Intergenerational Ethnic Justice is my term, and I made the observation that, as practiced, it does incentivize groups to remove metaphorical future plaintiffs.

While this is ostensibly because SJ groups want to focus on ongoing harms, they tend to practice even that very unevenly, and Collective Intergenerational Ethnic Justice is the basis for ethnic revenge killings, so it’s best to abandon thinking that white people/etc “owe” something as a collective.

politics

Anonymous asked:

why would that be a good thing? israel is a white nationalist state and hasn't failed yet.

Are you just going to overlook the part here where most of the white nationalists really hate the Jews? And the part where the Jews that wanted an Israel were not among the least competent of all Jews?

Anyhow, if it’s small and powerless enough, I don’t really care if there’s some racially-exclusionary city of 50,000 - 100,000. They get to have their little white ethnostate, the rest of us get to have them no longer included in our politics.

Maybe they’re right, and it’ll be full of great city-state statistics like Hong Kong or Singapore, only you know, ethnonationalist. Probably not, though. We’d have to intervene if they tried to bring back slavery or something.

As you may know, street fights with these people are being used as a justification from the Left to attack our rights, and the behavior of a bunch of fight-happy Communists smashing junk is being used for the same by the Right.

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isaacsapphire

tranarchist

Day 1: Read Settlers

Day 30: Amish Genocide

thathopeyetlives

What the?

isaacsapphire

Amish are landowners. Actually pretty substantial land owners.

thathopeyetlives

Yeah, they are.

The “joke” is more on the spectacularly totalizing ideology, inability to tolerate wierd random sects even in theory, general “yikes” factor.

isaacsapphire

I’m actually currently considering using, “what does your ideology/you think of the Amish?” As a stock useful question to extract a lot of information that I care about fast.

Because you get this kind of thing, where inability to tolerate cultural/economic/religious differences is illustrated. You also get people who fall over themselves to say how wonderful the Amish are and how they are a good example of what they want to make all of society look like.

mitigatedchaos

My belief: Transhumanism is actually Good, but we need to establish areas and precedents such that things like Amish communities can still exist and be totally unaugmented, not just on a “legally permitted” level, but on an “economically feasible” level. (And not necessarily sharing in truly spectacular levels of wealth of the rest of society - the key thing is not desperate enough that they gradually have to give up or disappear.)

Source: tranarchist politics

argumate

the Mongolian terror only predates Columbus by 200 years, killed a similar number of people as the colonisation of America – vastly more if the European death toll from the plague they spread is taken into account – and the people responsible are still idolised as national heroes today.

there are various reasons for why we judge the Mongols less harshly than the Spanish and the British, but none of them are very good ones.

blackblocberniebros

I think we have less visceral hatred of the Mongolians because their slaughter imperialism has basically no impact on the world today.

There’s some Mongolians who have national pride in Genghis khan but that affects nothing. Mongolians have no power over other people. Mongolian is a geopolitically weak country, no existing country has a ruling class of mongols oppressing non-Mongols.

argumate

that sounds like we only care about bad stuff that we can use as leverage to obtain concessions in the present day, or bad stuff is only bad if it’s politically useful for it to be bad.

zennistrad

You’re kind of ignoring that literally the entire purpose of pointing out that something is bad is to push people towards enacting change to correct a current problem. If saying that something is bad doesn’t actually impact any real-world issue, then there’s no difference between that and saying nothing.

The term “virtue signalling” is overused by reactionaries to the point where it really just means “someone said something I don’t like”, but complaining about the Mongolian atrocities in a day and age where they don’t have any geopolitical relevance outside Mongolia fits the original concept of that. It might make you feel good, but in the end it doesn’t actually do anything.

argumate

Indeed, but many people don’t actually realise these examples are highlighted for political purposes, and it warps their understanding of the world, as Tumblr regularly demonstrates.

mitigatedchaos

Knowing that is part of why I just don’t care as much.

Particularly, about things like “they’re occupying Native American lands! All of America belongs to the Native Americans! It’s stolen!”

First, collective ethnic land ownership is ethnonationalist, and they claim to be against ethnonationalism.

Second, collective ethnic responsibility ties strongly into identities that promote ethnonationalism, but they claim to be against ethnonationalism.

Third, they don’t care when others do it, particularly if they aren’t the “wrong” ethnicity.

So it’s mostly just a political cudgel and can be mostly ignored.

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slartibartfastibast

politics policy ban cousin marriage now

“The right-wingers are just playing like there’s nothing serious at stake.”

Yeah, remember when the social conservatives used being offended as a political weapon? And then it got mocked and treated as non-serious by their rivals on the Left?

Well, the social Left adopted being offended as a weapon, too, at the same time, so of course the response is going to be mock it and treat it as non-serious.

This is going to be especially common where there is no expectation of good faith.

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Still, I suppose I can add “accused of being Mencius Moldbug” (though it was very probably a shitpost) to the List, along with “labeled ‘faux Asian nationalist political thinker’,” “suggested should work at a think tank,” and a few other things.

The thing about Neoreaction is that Gnon doesn’t care about you, either, and neither did it care about species throughout history that have gone extinct - and what we want is survival and prosperity for ourselves, not to be subject to outrageous Fortune. And Fnargl? There’s no reason for him not to overwrite your mind with his superior technology or just replace you with a robot.

Neoreaction is not positioned to account for Transhumanism, among other things. As such, it’s a dead end.

Any overlap I have with Neoreactionary thought is largely incidental. I don’t really interact with them, nor read them.

I’m not a dark angel cast out of Gnon’s heaven to dwell among the mortal Liberals and spread the heretical gospels of Dark Enlightenment™. I’m surfing a wave seeking a better future, looking to synthesize a new, upwards axis.

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mitigatedchaos

Source: mutant-aesthetic politics

mutant-aesthetic

politics dont actually shoot someone

collapsedsquid

politics

See, that’s what the app is perfect for.