Oceans Yet to Burn

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

I am here to tell you how to achieve the Happy Liberal Land through the steps you refuse to enact, and to leverage you to enact them by creating and supporting an alternative that you want to destroy.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[mitigatedchaos]

Broke: Lowering immigration is racist because immigrants are predominantly non-white, and therefore any opposition to immigration necessarily stems from white supremacist racism.

Woke: Not lowering immigration is racist, because bringing in better unskilled or low-skilled employees disproportionately hurts those in our society who are the worst off in terms of health, education, family structure, and contact with the criminal justice system, and that is very much skewed, racially, in our country. Support for mass immigration is just white people showing off how tolerant they are while pushing off the costs on other groups.

[defectivealtruist]

immigrants don’t count as people worth helping, apparently

[mitigatedchaos]

If you’re going to make the tradeoff, admit you’re making the tradeoff.  Don’t lie and call everyone else racist.

Rationalist Tumblr does reasonably well at that.  The Democratic Party and its pundits and associated left wing political operatives do not.

Likewise, don’t heavily restrict the construction of new housing units while calling for mass immigration and becoming viscerally upset at any attempt to slow immigration and insulting the people that want to slow immigration, then complain about high housing prices.

Which is, once again, something Rationalist Tumblr does much better than the Democratic Party.

And quite frankly, I see no reason to believe the latter will improve.

Maybe you do, but I suspect that instead, SJ will eat you alive.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[jessandhernewsillyblog]

Leave the DPRK the fuck alone. Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone.  Leave the DPRK the fuck alone. 

[argumate]

China’s hawks find their voice as Kim infuriates Beijing

[mitigatedchaos]

I hope Xi Jinping personally punches Kim Jong Un in the face.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

bluepill: Jobs are not proportional to the country, but to the economy, therefore immigration cannot lower the amounts of jobs as immigration creates demand in addition to supply.

redpill: Jobs are proportional to different sectors and skill levels in the economy, therefore which immigrants enter can create jobs for some while exhausting the employment opportunities for others. Labor is not uniform, and demand for labor is not uniform.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

Broke: Lowering immigration is racist because immigrants are predominantly non-white, and therefore any opposition to immigration necessarily stems from white supremacist racism.

Woke: Not lowering immigration is racist, because bringing in better unskilled or low-skilled employees disproportionately hurts those in our society who are the worst off in terms of health, education, family structure, and contact with the criminal justice system, and that is very much skewed, racially, in our country. Support for mass immigration is just white people showing off how tolerant they are while pushing off the costs on other groups.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[poipoipoi-2016]

The NYT: We should import millions of immigrants a year, and anything other than open (or at least unenforced) borders is a tremendous moral failing.  

Also the NYT: But if anyone ever builds a housing unit anywhere, this is evil.  

Me: Uh guys, how exactly is this supposed to work?  

Also also the NYT: Oh by the way, we should just deport millions of Americans

Me: Ohhhh…

Me: Trump is totally winning in 2020, isn’t he?  

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[collapsedsquid]

So, recent news brings an interesting question to mind, would a total cessation of US-China trade be worse for the US than a single thermonuclear missile strike on the US mainland?

[mitigatedchaos]

Well, we’d have “less money”, but hiring would go through the roof, national sovereignty would increase, and less than one million people would die (probably - difficult to calculate secondary economic effects of what would be an across-the-board price increase), so…

[invertedporcupine]

I’m pretty sure that both the US and China are reliant on the other for things that they can’t actually replace autarchically even at much higher prices (e.g. certain rare earth metals for the US, a lot of IP for China).  The adjustment would be pretty steep.

[collapsedsquid]

Think it’s the expertise that would be killer. I suspect are whole ranges of manufacturing activities that nobody in the US knows how to do anymore, could be decades before we can do them competently again.

You’s also have the problem of what this would to to southeast asia in general.  We may not intend to cut off trade with the rest, but this is the sort of move that could lead to the entire region being cut off to US trade. I guess we didn’t really need computers anyways.

[mitigatedchaos]

The problem when they went to build a smartphone in the US was not “no Americans know how to build a smartphone”, it was “we lack a sufficiently large and redundant supply chain to respond quickly to unexpected issues, because there isn’t a sufficient density of smartphone component manufacturers.”

[collapsedsquid]

This isn’t just “we’re building a new product“ this is “We are taking over all production of all existing products.“  This is an orders-of-magnitude difference..

[mitigatedchaos]

Sure, but aside from the fact that there are still lots of countries that aren’t China (including Taiwan, which is not China China) to import from, I think the issue is less “lack of expertise” and inability to build computers, than it is the necessary volume of capital expenditures to build all the new plants and buy all the new robots necessary to fill those plants.  And we still do a lot of manufacturing here.  Manufacturing revenue in the US is up, it’s manufacturing employment that’s down.

I’m not sure it would even be all that much of an increase in price for consumers after the capital expenditures are complete.  We’re probably already headed towards manufacture-on-demand programmable modular factories closer to the sites of sale, and this might just accelerate the trend.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[collapsedsquid]

Getting annoyed at some of the free speech stuff because people making grandstanding points about it in matters that are sort of orthogonal to principles of free speech.

Fraud is free speech, conspiracy is free speech, threats are free speech!  Everything I do is free speech and therefore can’t be interfered with as long as I include some sort of racial slur. 

[mitigatedchaos]

Isn’t that always the problem when everyone only wants free speech only for their own side?

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[mitigatedchaos]

China couldn’t be bothered to reign in North Korea, so now Japan’s going to have a nuclear triad and remilitarize, quite possibly.

And no doubt the Chinagov’s gonna pitch a fit over this, which is on some level their fault.

[mailadreapta]

On reread I think you meant ‘rein in NK’, nonetheless I prefer the reading that China should have just exerted imperial influence.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

China couldn’t be bothered to reign in North Korea, so now Japan’s going to have a nuclear triad and remilitarize, quite possibly.

And no doubt the Chinagov’s gonna pitch a fit over this, which is on some level their fault.