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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna

By the way, I’ve tried telling Republicans that calling everything they don’t like “Socialist” is probably partially responsible for the rise in positive associations with the word “Socialist” in Millennials.  

This isn’t really a left-wing limited phenomena.  It’s probably a kind of collective action problem in which individuals and individual uses of the word can accrue benefit, even though long-term it wears out the meaning.

So Millennials are associating “Socialism” with high-functioning welfare capitalist states, rather than say, the Soviet Union, or less dramatically, Venezeula.

So I get to be cassandra.png to multiple groups.

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Man, guy saying we need a “revolutionary mass movement” to counter the influence of white supremacists on behalf of a supermajority of Americans…

Yeah buddy, I don’t see you supporting that for any other issue there’s a supermajority of American support on.  One of the tricks with Trump is that a chunk of the stuff he says that sparks outrage and incredulity is stuff with majority support.

I can’t help but be concerned that a “revolutionary mass movement” would be far worse.  Likely to overturn the Bill of Rights, massively restrict speech, or attempt to implement (and then botch) Socialism.  If it comes to that, it’s time to break up the Union.

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phoneus

Congratulations! In an effort to be interesting and unique, you have rendered yourself as boring and predictable as possible — how do you plead? Hey stop photoshopping vaporwave succ memes for a second and listen to me

mitigatedchaos

No.

phoneus

This isn’t me criticizing you as a human being or trying to make fun of you or anything but an earnest question: what the hell does any part of your description mean? Can you give me an example of how your political stances apply to the real world in a non hypothetical sci fi genre way I can’t picture it

mitigatedchaos

I will answer this question when I have access to a Real Computer, which will be a while.

mitigatedchaos

@count-clark​ They’re just a fascist

Oh honey, not everyone esoteric is a fascist.  Do you really believe that just because you don’t understand someone, they’re plotting world domination?

I’m a lunatic.  Get it right.

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A Price Paid in National Will

We’ve all seen various Leftists denouncing “Nationalists and their dumb wars.”  While it can be tempting to argue the point regarding past interventions, the future of Nationalism must lay in the future, not the past.

It’s important, in attempting to define a new form of Nationalism, to understand that dumb wars don’t just have a price paid in blood and treasure, but also in the national spirit.  Dumb wars undermine and destroy Nationalism.

Nationalism is not only an ideology, but it’s also a form of ideological or political capital.  The will of the people to support the government and fight on behalf of the country, while necessary to secure the national defense, is an exhaustible resource.  It is very precious, for without it there cannot be a nation.  Therefore, in addition to acting to promote it, we must also act to conserve it.  A nation that can rise up as one in military response has far greater power and sovereignty than those with only fragmented support, as both its threats and defense are more credible.

Propaganda cannot be the answer, as truth has odds of coming out eventually, since it is less in conflict with reality.  And it was some truth or another that lead many of us to become Nationalists in the first place.

Think about it.  Suppose you get into some dumb, unwinnable war in the middle east or southeast Asia.  In order to pay for the war, you have to raise taxes (if not now, then later), diverting resources from the civic goods those taxes might have paid for.  To get the necessary manpower, you must either create a draft, which creates opposition to the draft and thus empowers internal opposition and counter-culture, or your have to raise taxes higher and send some of your most loyal men to get shot at.  

Then the history comes along later and says that not only was the mission not a success, but you didn’t even get any resources out of it for the country.

Not only does this make people less likely to sign up for or provide material support for the nation’s wars, but they may come to believe that the nation is bad and turn against Nationalism itself.

How much less powerful would left-wing anti-Nationalists be without the Iraq War?  How much less powerful would they be without the Vietnam War?

On top of this all, it may end up preventing the country from having the ability to fight wars in ways that it can win.  Having sowed substantial doubt about the virtue of the nation’s military action itself, it will be harder to obtain the necessary political will for the required partial cultural conversion needed to ensure the invaded territory is permanently no longer an enemy.

(Of course, there are other factors that can lead to declines in Nationalism, even in countries with less substantial military adventurism.  But those must be addressed separately.)

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Anonymous asked:

i don't know who else to complain to about this but everydayfeminism just posted an article saying trumpcare was inevitable and we should all be focusing on 'ancestral medicine' instead, including asking our ancestors for healing and going outside more (while being careful not to culturally appropriate of course) and i'm just... honestly floored? some of the stuff that has crept into the 'mainstream sj' collective consciousness is so unbelivable i wanna die
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The one thing all of my ancestors (with a few exceptions one generation up from me) have in common is that they’re dead.

funereal-disease

The idea of asking permission before engaging in another culture’s healing practice is…bizarre. If you have a cure for my (hypothetical) cancer and won’t give it to me because I’m the wrong ethnicity, am I supposed to just go “okay, guess I’ll fucking die then”? Like, taking that to its logical conclusion, it is better to *die* than to appropriate a culture.

Unless the idea is that certain medical practices only work on people of certain ancestry, in which case we’re right back to some very troubling eugenic implications.

mitigatedchaos

Racism, but in, you know, a Woke way. Free with every box of Social Justice Fandom brand breakfast cereal.

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collapsedsquid

Trying to put a few more of my scattered thoughts on this “hardcore civic nationalism“ thing just so I can synthesize what I’ve seen.

I think this group has a complicated relationship with immigration.  There is this abstract sense with which they are pro-immigration because part of being a good nation is having people, but it depends on those national cultural institutions being strong.  They are in favor of cultural institutions being strong in part so they can allow immigration, there’s this very assimilationist thought here.  They have some opinions on what that national cultural thought should be, but it’s more critical that the thought exists than the precise details of that thought. You can synthesize the idea of their nationalism there, it’s sort of “our nation is so great that other people want to join it”

I sort of mentioned the rightward edge because I needed to separate them from ethnic nationalists, but there is a leftward social democratic leaning edge too.  The public works aspect provides opportunities to help people build a society while making sure nobody goes hungry, they’d take unemployment seriously, and anti-racist measures are both good in themselves and perfectly reasonable as methods of building national cohesion. Conceptually, you can sort of view this national culture thing as reducing the need for hierarchy, instead of having society conceptualized by you serving your boss, priest, or husband, everyone serves the national idea and we are all nominally equal.  So this can be thought of and constructed as egalitarian.

mitigatedchaos

That is all pretty reasonable, though alternatively under immigration, a nationalism which believes in national cultures and accompanying law bundles can view immigration as matching people according to desired legal/cultural configuration. Therefore, for it to make sense, some level of immigration/emigration should exist, though not necessarily for major net growth.

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The thing is, I don’t think what the racial nationalists want is racism as a terminal value.  I think for most of them, there are other things that they want, and they see having an [ethnicity]-only country as the only practical or effective way to achieve these things.

This is why I believe most of them can eventually leave racial nationalism, if we work towards making the conditions right, which requires a bunch of stuff we should be doing anyway even if there were no racial nationalists.

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collapsedsquid

trickytalks asked:

What are beliefs common among "hardcore civic nationalists"?

collapsedsquid answered:

They’re skeptical of globalization in general just like the other anti-establishment groups, and tend towards anti-interventionism. They’re generally in favor of public infrastructure and public projects, but have mixed thoughts on welfare.  Assimilation and the act of building the national culture are a big deal, that affects their views on immigration which can be flexible depending on their view of circumstances.  Seem to shun ethnic nationalism, I get the impression that some of them on the rightward edge do buy into some form of bell curve stuff but they’ve decided it’s basically not terribly important, if somebody isn’t highly intelligent there’s a lot of work to be done that doesn’t require high intelligence to do. Neither especially pro or anti-market, I think they tend towards “not too afraid of public spending or taxation but somewhat anti-regulation.“

And you can sort of see that as a third way, it’s the recognition that you depend on the people and environment around you and therefore you can’t really get away from this concept of the common good and improving society, but skeptical of taking it too far.  “selfish collectivism“ might be a somewhat trollish way of putting it.  Class-wise I think the people I’ve seen with it are educated professionals, I think this sort of inherits from “Rockefeller Republicans“

@mitigatedchaos, you are sort of close to this but you’re not a central example. This is pretty much random disconnected things I’ve found off tumblr, there isn’t really a big repository or central hub of this that I can think of.  I mean, I’m not even honestly sure this is a real ideology or something I’m putting together in my head from people I think speak similarly but who don’t actually agree with each other.

mitigatedchaos

It might be more of a thing if the US had more parties.

I know I’m trying to synthesize a lot of stuff while not ignoring the tyranny of the rocket equation of the economy, so to speak.

Some evil biostuff is probably true on some level, but we haven’t yet tried having social policy that doesn’t suck and tbh we haven’t even tried bulk distribution of multivitamins/etc.

Though some of this on my part is trying to put ideas into liberals about how to actually achieve their Happy Liberal Land without fking it up, seeing as there are a lot more of them than people out searching for harder civic nationalism or national technocracy.

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I can’t be the only one that has noticed that modern collective intergenerational ethnic justice incentivizes having wiped out conquered peoples to the last man, woman, and child, because then there is no one to initiate the “lawsuit”.

mitigatedchaos

@wirehead-wannabe

How many cases do we have of that, and how did it actually work out relative to leaving a small or moderate amount of people alive?

There are other options, which include inter-marrying/etc until there is not enough difference to tell, and thus the equivalent of a lawsuit cannot be pressed, but often this is not very nice, either.

But basically, until recently, just about every ethnic group did some combination of these two in order to obtain and control territory, from what I can tell, with few exceptions.  And of course, we’re not likely to hear much about the guys that got wiped out, as they’re no longer around to protest.

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mitigatedchaos

You know that Tumblr “Anti-Nazi” FAQ post that ends with “what if I thought I was punching a Nazi, but it was actually just a white dude with a shitty haircut?” “Run.”?

I said that was a terrible idea, but I didn’t expect it to get quite so literal.

Of course, in this environment, who knows if this is real, but this is basically what one would expect.  The most punch-happy are going to be the least controlled about who they punch.

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