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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna
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afloweroutofstone

Murkowski and Collins get a minor shout-out for not doing something horrible I guess, and McCain gets nothing since he had the power to shut the bill down in several ways but chose to do it this way for positive media attention

discoursedrome

Right-wing attitudes to Republican “no” votes: These people are turncoats and need to be made an example of

Left-wing attitudes to Republican “no” votes: These guys aren’t completely terrible, I guess. They’re slightly less terrible than the other guys

The left, a few years later: Where have the moderate, principled Republicans gone?

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mutant-aesthetic
mutant-aesthetic:
“ tropic-depression:
“ High pressures over time deep within the internet have led to the crystallization of pure butthurt which can be explored in the cyber-cave linked...
tropic-depression

High pressures over time deep within the internet have led to the crystallization of pure butthurt which can be explored in the cyber-cave linked below:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1411794

mutant-aesthetic

these people are not mentally well

they need some degree of an intervention because no, being a part of a “resistance” should not come at the expense of your own mental health

mitigatedchaos

Trump is memetic SCP confirmed.

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I think this dust-up on transgender soldiers will actually burn some of Trump’s political capital.

I’ll let you in on something about his power - previously, a lot of these things where he got the media all fired up over something, he had at or near majority support from the actual citizens or it was something most people outside of politics just don’t care about.

This one’s gonna be a lot narrower.  The opposition will be able to get some actual traction out of it.

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apprenticebard

“if you really thought that abortion was murder, you would be starting a civil war over it” ….orrrr, as someone who opposes abortion on the grounds that killing humans is bad, I think killing more humans would also be bad

transgirlkyloren

it’s like the ‘why have you not personally adopted all babies’ argument except 5 million times worse

the baby-adoption argument is the worst argument! people are not having abortions because of a shortage of adoptive parents! there are very, very few people who want to go through all the suckiness of being pregnant without the benefit of having a baby after, if they are not coerced into having an adoption

shedoesnotcomprehend

yes yes yes thank you those arguments make me want to scream every time

I hate the “if you REALLY think it’s murder you’d DO SOMETHING” vs “a doctor who does abortions was assaulted NOT SO PRO-LIFE NOW HUH” dichotomy

(not that it’s okay to assault doctors! obviously!)

abortion seems to be one of the worst issues for ideological turing test passing? “you know perfectly well deep down that you’re murdering babies” vs “you just want to Control Women’s Bodies” or maybe everyone is actually trying to do the right thing!

also, the “why aren’t you distributing contraception then?” argument (because a lot of pro-life people believe that contraception is ALSO morally wrong and that the ends don’t justify the means!)

and the ever-classic “if you’re REALLY pro-life you should be [opposing war/providing post-natal support/fighting malaria/etc]” argument (a lot of pro-life people do??? and also that’s a bad argument when people pull it out against any particular cause??)

[sigh] [/rant]

theopjones

Agree with this. 

Although, it is probably a pretty big testament to the strength of political norms against violence that there aren’t really more cases of violence occurring over this issue. Because the stakes are so high.

I don’t mean that in an “it would be the consistent/good thing to do” way, I mean it in the “I’m surprised that some idiot hasn’t yet given a violent pro life group enough tacit political support/cover to exist as a not completely fringe entity” way. Because politics makes people do stupid things (cf. the antifa types on the left, or the stuff that happened at Trump rallies). 

cromulentenough

yeah holy shit ‘if you were really pro file you’d go to war, not just trying to change legislation’ vs. ‘pro life person isn’t actually ust talking online and went and killed someone who routinely does abortions? wtf? they’re obviously not REALLY pro life because they took a life of someone who has previously in their mind killed people and plans to kill people in the future, you should do it peacefully’ what do you actually want people who are pro life to do apart from ‘admit that they don’t actually care about babies and one care about controlling women’?

nuclearspaceheater

If you’re going to point out contradictions between people’s action and professed beliefs, why not go the other way and point out that according to most of them being aborted isn’t even fatal because it doesn’t destroy the soul? I’m not sure where exactly you would go with that line of argument if you did, but it at least isn’t a call to violence.

mitigatedchaos

Doesn’t matter - it’s against the Will of God according to most Pro-Lifers, and the same people that oppose both abortion and contraception do so for that reason.

Which, the last time I read about why contraception was considered unholy, I remember the reasoning being rather stupid, but if you get rid of that previous ruling it starts unwinding the authority of the rest of the church.

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diarrheaworldstarhiphop

Anonymous asked:

I know the US has been a global force for insatiable greed, corruption, lust for control, etc. I dont see how encouraging a more "progressive" or inclusive military matters in the grand scheme of things. We should be decreasing the military and discouraging "service," not encouraging everyone to contribute to it. Also, *choosing* to opt into such an organization is far worse than being forced to live in a regulated US economy where choice and alternative economic systems are suppressed by design

diarrheaworldstarhiphop answered:

It’s an extremely common coastal/affluent american perspective to think it’s best to discourage military service in favour of some other vague alternative, with the idea that it’s inherently for the best with regards to any young man or woman seeking work.

But when the economic core of countless, countless US towns look like this:

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How can one simply discourage service? For most communities, it is the only exit from poverty or the only guarantor of stability and planning to establish a family. For many towns the options are fast food, walmart and army. Which do you choose when you want to start a career?

like what are these alternative economic systems you envision without an organization such as the army in the meanwhile?

And then for most, say, transgender people from these communities who headass into the military (be it for muh income security or hypermasculine pursuits to deal with trans denial/awareness), before realizing AW sHiT IM A GILR/GUY, where the fuck else do they turn?

While alot of “progressives” are pissed about this situation, they too often forget that army service isn’t a choice but a necessity in getting out of places like this for reasons inherent to daily threats of violence or bigotry ON TOP of poverty, substance addiction and otherwise. Many people on the left misconstrue military service as a simple “queer rights” issue or something akin to fighting for representation in media when it is entirely more complex than that.

We should be decreasing the military and discouraging “service,” not encouraging everyone to contribute to it. Also, *choosing* to opt into such an organization is far worse…

The US armed forces is not an inherently evil organization. The evil arises from schemers in the political strata completely detached from the realities on the front line and the reality in these communities most recruits come from.

A military is a natural and obvious part of any organized nation state. That military doesn’t have to be constantly engaged in warfare. Yall are mad at the army and not the politicians that utilize it to fulfill their agendas.

mitigatedchaos

Essentially, they have decided that since they are too incompetent to stop the politicians, they will attempt to stop the Army instead.

That won’t work.  If you can’t stop the politicians, then you can’t stop the Army.

And if you won’t punish the MSM for shilling for war in Syria (looking at you, Democrats I’ve met IRL) and actively believe them that this is somehow remotely a good idea, then you apparently aren’t clueful enough to stop the politicians.

Also if you think Democracy flowers easily in all soils because you’ve bought into the idea that Democracy is The Moral Order of the Universe, you won’t be able to stop the politicians.

The US Democrats need to get smarter.

Europe has lost leverage vs Russia even though they have a bigger economy and a larger population, because they won’t actually spend enough on their militaries ,and they discourage military service.

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@ranma-official

I think @mailadreapta is correct that part of the motive on the conservatives’ part was to point out the contradiction in their progressive and liberal opponents’ actions.  Up until this election, the progressive juggernaut had pushed so far forward (or ‘forward’) that it had started throwing white gay men under the bus, which, combined with the fact that the left/liberal plan is to import people of an ideology which is actively hostile to LGBT people wherever it rules, and at rates so high that it risks displacing the native population within a handful of generations, without doing what is actually necessary to defang and atomize that ideology, and constantly making excuses for it, created an opening for attack.

In this case it’s no different than left-wingers pretending they give a sht about countries or the army.  The “lul fuck u army’s just an imperialism machine” response may be more honest WRT their actual beliefs.

For my part of course, I disapprove, much like I disapprove of terminating that military-service-for-citizenship program which is apparently ending soon.

It puts me in an awkward spot.  Last administration, I spent a lot of effort trying to defend the Obama Administration even when it did dumb things for which there was no defense, and honestly after a while I gave up on that kind of party loyalty because pols will betray you every time.

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What GOP Must Do to Avoid an American NHS

Alright, US Republicans, listen up.

You think your goal right now is to “Repeal Obamacare”.  

But that has issues.  Given your values, your goal should not just be to repeal Obamacare, but to prevent the emergence of a single-payer healthcare system in the United States, in which the US Federal government monopolizes 1/5th of the US economy in a botched attempt at recreating the NHS.

This does not mean trying to pass laws to sabotage the attempt.  They’ll just get overturned, and that will be celebrated as a Democratic party victory.

You have to deflate the demand for single-payer healthcare.  That is what is necessary for market-based healthcare to continue to exist in the United States.  As long as the demand is there - and it is growing, as middle-class families come under increasing pressure - the desire for single-payer will re-emerge.

Yelling at people about how they don’t deserve healthcare because they haven’t worked hard enough will not help.  You just picked up a bunch of rural voters that got laid off at the factories and can’t meet their deductibles.  You have to focus on preserving the market-based allocation.  

There is a simple way to do this.

  • Each year, every American receives a healthcare voucher for $2,500.  (Maybe more - this is way below our per-capita healthcare spending - but even you can do this much.)  You can hide this as an earned income tax credit for the poor, a tax deduction for the middle class, etc, if you have to.
    • The voucher can only be used to purchase valid medical services and medical insurance.  We have licensing for doctors, so this shouldn’t be too hard to figure out.
  • Any of the voucher not spent rolls over into a no-tax/low-tax Health Savings Account, where it builds up.  
    • Private money can also go into the account.
    • Tax is only assessed above a certain amount / on death.
    • By default, it goes to a zero-interest government account, but this can be changed by opening a suitable interest-earning HSA account at any American bank or credit union.
  • Hospitals are still required provide emergency care for the uninsured/poor, however, up to ½ of future vouchers can be garnished, proportional to the size of outstanding claims.
  • Vouchers and money from the HSA can be given to spouses or children for their HSAs, though not other relations (normally).  It can also be disbursed in a will, but if so then it will be taxed as normal income.

Now, first objection is probably that this will bid up the price of medical care to the new floor.  I believe that is unlikely - because the voucher accumulates and people don’t actually like randomly buying healthcare, it makes much more sense to save it up and spend it later as you normally would, or else just buy insurance.

Second objection is that people might launder the money to get it for themselves.  In this case, the person they are screwing over is mostly their future self, so they have incentive not to do this.

Third objection, which I’m likely to get from my left-wing readers, is that this isn’t enough money.  That’s probably true, but this is likely of more benefit than whatever the Republicans are currently cooking up.  In the current situation we have some poor people buying the mandated insurance, but unable to actually get medical care because they cannot afford the deductible.  Under this system, they can go get medical care tomorrow.  Likewise, for pre-existing conditions, this ensures that at least the value of the voucher is available each year to pay for it.  

Later administrations could raise the amount, but the benefit for the Republicans here is the preservation of the market mechanism.  This is likely to be a popular program.

This could be coupled with a variety of other reforms to reduce overall healthcare costs, such as requiring hospitals to post information about their prices, success rates, etc.  Don’t just cross your fingers and hope the market works.  Education alleviates information asymmetry and lubricates markets.  Create the right framework for suitable informed competition to take place in.

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