Oceans Yet to Burn

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[the-grey-tribe]

Please remind me to not give @mitigatedchaos any formal power if I ever become King of The World or something. Maybe I can bestow a purely ceremonial title like First Lady of The Republic of Cascadia or Vice Antipope. Grand Ideas should be kept in their ivory towers where they belong.

[mitigatedchaos]

Ah, but by becoming World Emperor you already broke the first condition holding back those ideas - the inability to designate successively larger geographical areas to test them on live populations before larger-scale rollouts, arising from the necessities of political rivalry.

Victory for National Technocracy begins in the town of Whozawhatsit, Arkowa.

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[thathopeyetlives]

Urrrgghhh

They killed him. Nothin
North Korea killed him.

What now? Probably nothing, which is exactly the problem!

[mitigatedchaos]

The prisoner that came back in a coma?

Because Hope my man, we are not going to war over one guy.  You’ve seen where that World Policeman beat goes.

[thathopeyetlives]

Yeah, I nether expect nor desire that to happen over one guy. 

And yet the obscurantist state of North Korea continues to maintain its wretched position, oppressing its own citizens and threatening foreigners, because the alternative does not serve either of its neighbor’s self-interest. Time is being made to stand still.

Suffice it to say that I am frustrated and I think it would be better for time to stop standing still. Ideally the USA would be either minimally involved, or provide only muscle. 

[the-grey-tribe]

Warmbier probably got the same treatment as a hundred thousand North Koreans.

West Germany basically bought East Germany from the Soviets when they ran out of money.

I wish this was possible for Korea. North Korea does not even care when they run out of money or rice. I fear they just go on forever like this.

[mitigatedchaos]

We gave up the money, blood, and political capital to just go to Korea flat out when we went to Iraq.

I’m sorry.  It would have been far more justified.  Maybe, in some other timeline, somewhere, there is no ISIS and Samsung’s heavy industry division is building power plants on the outskirts of Pyongyang.

I’m not sure that the national policy establishment have even learned that when you decide to play world policeman, you must play to win.  The Neocons loved the idea of American Empire, but they weren’t willing to pay the ideological price it takes to do it for real.

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[thathopeyetlives]

Urrrgghhh

They killed him. Nothin
North Korea killed him.

What now? Probably nothing, which is exactly the problem!

[mitigatedchaos]

The prisoner that came back in a coma?

Because Hope my man, we are not going to war over one guy.  You’ve seen where that World Policeman beat goes.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[disexplications]

Something weird just happened apparently

[collapsedsquid]

Also it was reported on Saudi state TV, not just al-jazeera. which is currently having issues with the Sauds

[mitigatedchaos]

@diarrheaworldstarhiphop You seem to actually have some idea what’s going on in the area.  Is this a good thing?

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[collapsedsquid]

The capital police officer who was shot in the attack on the congressional baseball practice has a gofundme to raise money for rehab, and I just want to reflect on how fucking sad that is.

Someone needing to beg money from the public after suffering injury from defending the US congress is like something out of a hamhanded parody of classic war propaganda. “Don’t lay down your lives for the US congress. US congresspeople don’t care about your sacrifice, they will let you die in disability and poverty and also are fucking your wife.“

[mitigatedchaos]

What I wanted: US congress ready and willing to die, guns in hand, to defend this nation.  National honor.

What I got: Political class both unwilling and unable to resolve the difficult challenges this nation needs to overcome to not only survive but thrive.  National shame.

What I want now: A totally new system of selecting legislators that imposes radically different incentives.

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[mitigatedchaos]

“Dude, how many layers of Weird Near-Future Sci-Fi Politics are you on right now?”

“I dunno, let me go consult the chart.”

[mitigatedchaos]

@kissingerandpals: what?

Me: hey me, you know what would be hilarious?

* completely sober at 3 in the morning *

Also me: what fam?

Me: aight, so we like, do the expanding brain meme, but for national technocr- i mean uh expanding the search space of solutions to near-modern political problems, and the punchline is ~nuclear moon base~

Also me: hahahaha politics amirite?

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The central thesis of this blog is that we won’t find the solutions to the challenges of the 21st century by re-fighting the battles of the 20th century.  We are doing current politics and it’s having the current results, but we all want something better, and that necessarily means something different.

The current political ideologies are mostly unaware of the future and the ways in which it will likely dramatically upend them.  Not only are they not prepared for its problems, but they aren’t prepared to take advantage of new potential solutions, either.  And without acknowledging those solutions, they often pretend that the problems don’t exist, for ideological reasons.

Some of the proposals on here some fake, but each could be a real policy with more detail.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

“Dude, how many layers of Weird Near-Future Sci-Fi Politics are you on right now?”

“I dunno, let me go consult the chart.”

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

maplebodybutter asked:

Radical Center: VERY serious about not taking sides, and trying to appeal to the widest audience.

diarrheaworldstarhiphop answered:

Radical center**

**See: american corporate perspective

[mitigatedchaos]

Does something which would be a significant departure from the status quo but not aligned on the conventional left/right axis also count, or is that Edgy Centrist?  

I’m going to have to make a chart to keep track of all the new kinds of Centrism lately.

[Oceans Yet to Burn]

[mutant-aesthetic]

I’m not a socialist or a communist, but I could probably defend socialism/communism in the wake of the Venezuelan failure much better than most lefties I see doing it are

All I simply have to do is explain that Hugo Chavez’s moronic spending decisions (generous spending on welfare/aid programs rather than infrastructure, education and industry so that the country wouldn’t be dependent on oil export money) showcased his failings as a leader and do not actually indicate a failure in central economic planning as a whole

Of course I don’t think they’ll do this because it would mean tarnishing Chavez’s legacy and his cult of personality

[mitigatedchaos]

How I would defend it: Actually, Kibbutzes are Good

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[diarrheaworldstarhiphop]

It’s 2017 and Balkan style ethnic revenge killings are ramping up in Western yurop and everyone is too busy either holding out for the rare white attack to be indignant on the internet over or for more islamic terrorism to shill for nationalism.

Curious that no one seems to care about the exponential rate of escalating violence?

[mitigatedchaos]

We’d have to stop Saudi Arabia (not happening).  Or get them to convert to less jihad-prone sects of Islam (which definitely exist! but not happening).

I don’t see a lot of ways out of this except to stop bringing in more Muslims.

…and that means shilling for Nationalism.  Not Racial Nationalism, but something more Nationalist than watered-down global liberal capitalism.

[slartibartfastibast]

Sustainable nuclear fusion would end this very quickly.

[mitigatedchaos]

> tfw there’s a big ball of sustainable nuclear fusion just sitting there but it’s stuck in a gravity well about a million miles away

More seriously this country is not [MY IDEOLOGY] and no country on Earth is, so “implode Saudi influence by inventing commercial fusion power” is not on the list of politically viable options. Can you imagine trying to win over normie voters on that? At least the solar panels seem to be coming along.