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diarrheaworldstarhiphop
diarrheaworldstarhiphop:
“ It’s 2017 and Balkan style ethnic revenge killings are ramping up in Western yurop and everyone is too busy either holding out for the rare white attack to be indignant on the internet over or for more islamic terrorism to...
diarrheaworldstarhiphop

It’s 2017 and Balkan style ethnic revenge killings are ramping up in Western yurop and everyone is too busy either holding out for the rare white attack to be indignant on the internet over or for more islamic terrorism to shill for nationalism.

Curious that no one seems to care about the exponential rate of escalating violence?

mitigatedchaos

We’d have to stop Saudi Arabia (not happening).  Or get them to convert to less jihad-prone sects of Islam (which definitely exist! but not happening).

I don’t see a lot of ways out of this except to stop bringing in more Muslims.

…and that means shilling for Nationalism.  Not Racial Nationalism, but something more Nationalist than watered-down global liberal capitalism.

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the-grey-tribe
marcusseldon

On an episode of one of Vox’s podcasts, Ezra Klein said something that I can’t get out of  my head, and that bothers me on a deep level. He said that in the present age, with the internet, myriads of think tanks, public intellectuals, universities, and ideological outlets, that any intelligent well-educated person can come up with a strong and hard-to-conclusively-refute argument, with copious citations, expert opinions, interpretation, and analysis, and supportive anecdotes, for almost any position they like in politics. 

It really is bothering me because at some level I suspect it is true. I think of how often I see thousands of words used in internet arguments, with copious quotation and citation of experts, for many different sides of an issue, and they all seem pretty convincing if I took them on their face, and it would probably take me dozens of hours of research to be able to engage with them.

You could spend years just reading the output from libertarian intellectuals and outlets and experts, or liberal ones, or socially conservative ones, or anarchist ones, or marxist ones, etc. and still have more to consume without ever challenging your ideological preferences. If you encounter an expert or opinion that is disagreeable to your worldview, you can use Google to pretty quickly find a very articulate and well-cited counterargument to, if not that particular argument, at least that worldview and that position.

You can spend years becoming an expert on a particular issue, and read every expert and source from all sides, and still you’ll probably find people as well-informed as you with the opposite view.

I wouldn’t say this is the fault of, as many people in the rationalist community put it, the mindkilling ability of politics (I think there is truth to that, but I don’t think it’s strong enough to explain this). Rather, I believe it’s because understanding politics involves the intersection of two notoriously difficult areas of study, the social sciences of large groups/societies on the one hand, and ethical and political philosophy on the other. They’re hard because they’re subject matter is so vastly complicated, in a way that is extremely difficult to comprehend and think about.

But, we’re still political animals, and we have to do politics, so we have to keep thinking about this stuff (or, at least, some subset of intelligent people do) to keep society functioning and (hopefully) improving.

mitigatedchaos

It becomes necessary to use intuition and other means of attempting to infer the truth.

I did not return to Nationalism because of overwhelming statistical evidence, but from a set of broader observations about the conditions of terrorism, the social fabric, incentives on actors, and so on.  

The number of political operators using statistics badly is high, and they often either fabricate statistics using bad methodology (occurs in Feminism with things like the formation of the Duluth Model), or just exclude any statistics that don’t agree with them.  Sometimes they don’t even realize they’re doing it.

Other times they just don’t even think of things that are against the argument.  To take a recent example that many of you will disagree with me on, “but we gained so much economic value from immigrants from the middle east!” in response to wanting to limit travel and immigration.  It doesn’t account for the estimated $2 trillion cost of 9/11, which then created the “justification” for the Iraq War (also very expensive) and further erosions of civil liberties and the advancement of the surveillance state.  It also doesn’t account for the fact that the US’s immigration demand exceeds immigration quotas, and therefore every one of those slots could have been filled from another country instead.

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collapsedsquid
the-grey-tribe

One of the weirdest policy proposals is where you put an expiration date on cash, to encourage spending.

argumate

ooh I’ve played with that one, it also fits well with some basic income proposals

obiternihili

inflation

collapsedsquid

All the kool kids nowadays are talking about negative interest rates.

mitigatedchaos

They’re not yet talking about forming quasi-autonomous state agencies that compete for assignment of implementing government programs, with contracts that can be renewed, but

Shhhh, they aren’t supposed to know about it yet.  I only know because I’m from the future.

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@ranma-official

“Of course,” said the moderate, as the ethnic violence increased in the country and multi-generational child sex trafficking rings set up in the cities, “some may die, but isn’t our vision of a tolerant and diverse society worth it?”

: /

I know, this is very deeply uncharitable of me.  Something about this latest attack has me on edge.  I think it’s that I see a path from here to ethnic tension criticality in England, which, with the previous attacks being a cycle of terrorism vs military campaigns, I didn’t.

politics

If the State fails its duty to ensure the security of the citizens, if it will not actually ensure that it has a true monopoly on violence within its territory, IT WILL LOSE ITS LEGITIMACY.

A ‘retaliatory’ van attack by a white guy is survivable for the government, if this isn’t a sign of a coming pattern in which this picks up.  The government needs to put its foot down hard NOW and crush the origin of the Muslim van attacks somehow or else things are going to get very bloody later.  If the UK gets a wave of tit-for-tat sectarian vehicular homicide, each new one is going to erode public faith in the government’s hold on the territory, causing the next wave of marginally-most-vulnerable-to-radicalization to become radicalized (as they judge “no one will protect me”) and initiate the next attack until armed militias form.

fuck

All this talk about open borders and the marginal dude is okay and so on… the tail risk end is civil war.

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collapsedsquid
collapsedsquid:
“ thevoluntaryist:
“New ultrasound technology captures image of child moments before birth.
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Seein both socialists and libertarians reblog this amuses me, and there’s even some argument going on in the notes I can’t be arsed to track...
thevoluntaryist

New ultrasound technology captures image of child moments before birth.

collapsedsquid

Seein both socialists and libertarians reblog this amuses me, and there’s even some argument going on in the notes I can’t be arsed to track down.

mitigatedchaos

#property is a part of the social contract

Not if I define all property as an extension of the self by conflating the personhood-granting element (consciousness) with the entire rest of the system (subconscious over which conscious has little control) and draw the root of causality at the point of this amalgam, ignoring all causal inputs! Hah, gotcha, Commie!

(this might be a shtpost)

Source: thevoluntaryist its definitely a shtpost politics
argumate
argumate

All the NTSB recommendations are technically trade offs that have costs; consider American Airlines Flight 191 which crashed on take off killing everyone on board and two people on the ground after an engine separated from the wing due to improper maintenance procedures had cracked the pylon.

While 273 people may have died, the improper shortcuts taken during engine maintenance saved 200 man hours per aircraft! Why, the meddling FAA banning this procedure may have done more harm than the original crash!

mitigatedchaos

Nah it’s alright fam,

If we assume that the GDP per capita is $55,000, and that the typical passenger has 35 working years remaining, we can just have the state bill the company and its shareholders $525,525,000 and put them into debt bondage and sell off their assets if they are unwilling or unable to pay.

Now you may object to the state rolling around and charging huge sums of money as payment for accidental deaths, but I have it on good authority that everyone signed over their trusteeship to the state rather than get kicked into the ocean, entirely of their own free will.  Quite remarkable, really.  So I assure that this plan is entirely Capitalist.

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theeforvendetta
theeforvendetta:
“ xmagnet-o:
“ gemini–king:
“ ankhpapi:
“ nflstreet:
“ discourse-proof-vest:
“ nflstreet:
“Happy Father’s Day to this dad especially
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disowning your kid because of a differing political opinion, what a good dad :)
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Shut up...
nflstreet

Happy Father’s Day to this dad especially

discourse-proof-vest

disowning your kid because of a differing political opinion, what a good dad :)

nflstreet

Shut up bitch

ankhpapi

LMFAO

gemini--king

Asjdjdkskxkdkjcjc

xmagnet-o

This is why bigotry is still alive become some of you fucks like @discourse-proof-vest think you should keep fucking with assholes just because you’re family.

theeforvendetta

Shoutout to this Dad and fuck anybody who thinks racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, women’s safety, you-name-it are just “political opinion.” Shut the entire fuck up.

mitigatedchaos

Family over Politics: Continuing to support your gay kid even though you’re against homosexuality instead of kicking them out because they’re your kid, and that means you have a duty that goes beyond that belief.

Politics over Family: Kicking out your gay kid because you’re against homosexuality and “we don’t compromise with our opponents.”

I would suggest being very careful about which of these norms you support, because the kids on the other side that do or don’t kicked out are going to remember what happened when they get older and have kids of their own.

Failing to use social power to suppress ideological rivals is not why bigotry is still alive.  Social power is a weapon, it doesn’t care whether it’s wielded for a righteous cause.  The same calls for mass social ostracism in the infamous Bad Old Days were used to reinforce the very bigotry you say you despise.

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mitigatedchaos
mitigatedchaos

@argumate is this your thing now

WE WILL CONTINUE TO POST PIXELATED ART OF QUESTIONABLE QUALITY (AT RANDOM INTERVALS BETWEEN TWO HOURS AND SIX MONTHS) UNTIL OUR DEMANDS ARE MET

  1. DONALD TRUMP WILL IMMEDIATELY STEP DOWN AND BE REPLACED AS PRESIDENT BY A WORKING GROUP OF SELECTED PERSONNEL FROM GOOGLE, AMAZON, AND IBM’S MACHINE LEARNING DIVISIONS, AND THE RAND CORPORATION, WHO WILL BE DIRECTED TO GOVERN IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST.  A $1 BILLION DATACENTER WILL BE CONSTRUCTED TO FULFILL THEIR COMMANDS
  2. MILITARY-GRADE POWERED EXOSKELETONS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY LEGALIZED FOR CIVILIAN OWNERSHIP
  3. DETROIT WILL BE DECLARED A SPECIAL AUTONOMOUS DEVELOPMENT ZONE AND PUT UNDER THE IRON HAND OF A CEO FROM ASIA BACKED BY HEAVY MILITIA FORCES, PAID AS A PERCENTAGE OF DETROIT REAL GDP ANNUALLY
  4. MARTIAL ARTS TRAINING WILL BE MADE A MANDATORY COMPONENT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL CURRICULUM AND AN ANNUAL TOURNAMENT WILL BE HELD TO DETERMINE THE ‘MOST BADASS HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR IN AMERICA’
mitigatedchaos

ADDITIONAL DEMANDS

  1. THE GAZA STRIP WILL BE YIELDED TO EGYPT, THE WEST BANK WILL BE YIELDED TO JORDAN, THE PALESTINIAN NATIONAL IDENTITY WILL BE DISSOLVED, AND EVERYONE WILL SHUT UP ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST FOR A PERIOD OF NOT LESS THAN TWO (2) MONTHS
  2. CALIFORNIA WILL BE SPLIT INTO FOUR ADDITIONAL STATES AND WESTERN CALIFORNIA WILL BE PROVIDED 5,000,000 PERMANENT RESIDENCY PERMITS TO ASSIGN AS THEY SEE FIT ON THE CONDITION THAT THEY ARE PROHIBITED FROM VOTING ON IMMIGRATION MATTERS AND JUS SOLI IS ENDED
  3. MUNICIPAL POLICE WILL BE REORGANIZED INTO AUTONOMOUS AGENCIES THAT COMPETE ACROSS MULTIPLE METRICS INCLUDING RATE OF FATALITIES AND DONUT CONSUMPTION AND MAKE METRIC-WEIGHTED BIDS FOR ACCESS TO MUNICIPAL CONTRACTS.  A SOFTWARE-MANAGED EVIDENCE EXCHANGE WILL BE BUILT TO COORDINATE THIS.  NO MORE THAN A RUNNING AVERAGE OF 1.2 DONUTS PER DAY PER OFFICER WILL BE PERMITTED.
  4. THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC PARTIES WILL ABANDON THEIR IDEOLOGIES AND ADOPT THE IDEOLOGIES OF NATIONAL POPULISM AND GLOBAL TECHNOCRACY RESPECTIVELY.  DEFECTORS WILL BE CONSCRIPTED TO SERVE AS EDITORS FOR THE NEW FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF CLICKBAIT FOR A PERIOD OF NO LESS THAN FIVE YEARS
mitigatedchaos

Now, the original posts here are a joke, but…

(1) A group selected from such high IQ people, including one pool that has direct experience with US politics, would probably outperform Donald Trump, and they could do some real data-crunching using all that computer hardware to develop the kinds of new policies we need.  Of course that’s not an actually practical hiring-for-President mechanism, but performance in other sectors of government might be improved by such things.

(2) Access to defensive military hardware is relevant to the 2nd amendment and will continue to be as we go farther into the 21st century.  Part of the very idea of arming the populace is that it introduces last resort accountability.

(3) Detroit being put under the rule of a gifted businessman with flexibility in policies could radically alter its economic fate in ways that, under the current path, are not feasible.

(4) Martial Arts training as an option would likely increase interest in Physical Education and help lower obesity, in addition to increasing national defense readiness.

(5) National identities being useful doesn’t mean they’re immutable and vice-versa.  The entire political infrastructure in Palestine has this whole opposition to Israel element built into it, and I’m not sure who the Palestinian identity is really benefiting anymore.  Jordan and Egypt are both faring better and would likely improve overall conditions in those areas without them being owned by Israel.  Of course, there’s probably some reason this won’t work / catch I’m unaware of.

(6) California isn’t actually a monolithic blue state, and if they want to have sanctuary cities and the like so much… why not let them kinda do it, but torpedo the effect on voting demographics so there’s no incentive to undermine the national immigration policy just to win more at politics?

Actual racists won’t like the policy, but the opposition to immigration is not driven purely by racism despite what many proponents say.

(7-1) A lot of policing police focuses on individuals, however, if the entire police department could be effectively fired at once, that provides organization-level incentives to use best practices better policy.  Costs of externalities, and public benefits, are worked into the bid so that it isn’t flat lowest-cost.  For instance, add $500,000 virtual price to the bid for every police-related fatality provides organization-level incentive to provide more training / be less gung-ho about the use of guns.  

Alternatively, just make them take out insurance that pays into an offset fund.

(7-2) Cops need to be physically fit for their jobs, even though counting individual donuts is overkill.  If a cop in this country is bulky, it should be because he’s built like a weightlifter.

(8) If this shift occurred, it would make both of their policy angles less stupid.

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